What makes being gay worse than having premarital sex?

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All sins are created equal.
Man has made some sins weigh more than others.

Homosexuality=sin
Liar=sin
Hate=murder=sin

The New Testament is the scripture relavent to the A.D. period. not one person can live without sin in their life... That is why JC came to take the debt from us.
So homosexuality is unnatural use of the body.
I would venture to say that using a hand to steal is unnatural as well
Using our sex organs to commit adultery or premarital sex is also unnatural.

Its all sin boys and girls, just like getting drunk.

Regardless of what anyone says, condemnation was only advocated by "MAN" never "JESUS" nor His prophets and disciples. Matter of fact Jesus corrected them sternly when they tried to judge others and debate who was gonna be first in His kingdom.

Cant everyone see that we have been taught WRONG! Who is teaching us today? At some point in time man and his infinite wisdom put "rules" of conduct back in place just like the pharisees of old! WHY? Well so they could measure their own righteousness of course!

Your litmus test as a Christian should be asking yourself How do I measure up to Jesus not your neighbor!
 
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The only reason we hate homosexuality is because it makes us think we are better than that so surely we will inherit the kingdom! This is simply not true!!
 
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tryingtofindhim said:
I always hear Christians saying people who are gay aren't Christians, but a Christian can have premaritial sex and still be a Christian just may be living in sin. How does that work? Any opinions?
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Being Gay, or having sex outside of marriage is wrong.
The word says, No other sin affects the body more, than having sex outside of marriage.
If you look in Romans 1 it talks not only about homosexuality it talks about sex and other sins.
Be careful not to judge a mans heart, only the Lord knows our hearts.

Roman 2
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge,
for whatever you judge another you condemn yourself;

For you practice the same things.
But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
And do you think this,
O man, you who judge those who practicing such things, doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?

Or do you despise the riches of His goodness,
forbearance, and longsuffering,
not knowing that the goodness of God leads to repentance?

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds:
eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality;
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness - indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jews first and also of the Greek;
but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good,
to the Jews first and also to the Greeks.
For there is no partiality with God.

We all fall short of God's glorious standards>

Jesus died for all the world, not just some!
Who are we to judge, Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, He said, let him who has no sin cast the first stone.

We are required by God; to love God with all of our hearts and with all of our minds with all of our strength, and then we are told to love our neighbors as ourselves.
We are to love in truth and in faith.
We are not to judge, for only one can judge a man or woman heart, God!

Who says a homosexual doesn't have a heart to know God.
Who could call unclean what God might of called clean.

What might be impossible to us is not impossible to God.
God is the one who changes a persons heart,
It happens when He reveals the truth to a persons heart, this only comes from God.
God is not out to destroy, but to reconcile, to save, to heal and restore.
How can hate ever win a person to God.
How can stone throwing ever bring life.

We are to be life givers not death givers.

We are ambassadors of Christ, He fulfilled the law by love, against which there is no law.
We are to love, those who love are of God,
so let your goodness lead people to repentance.
Don't push people away from the truth by placing your letter of the law on them for thier sins unless you want to be judged by that same letter.
We are called to freedom,
Jesus is this freedom,
Freedom comes as we obey the word to love, and not judge!
Love is patient, love is kind,
You know 1Cor.13
Without love it is all meaningless.

 
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From what I've seen for many years is people using being gay as a form of hating another person and hating is a sin. Not being forgiving of a persons faults is unforgiveness which is sin, forgive or you will NOT be forgiven, not loving people which is commanded us by God is not being a follower of God. Jesus help us!!
 
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loveschild said:
From what I've seen for many years is people using being gay as a form of hating another person and hating is a sin. Not being forgiving of a persons faults is unforgiveness which is sin, forgive or you will NOT be forgiven, not loving people which is commanded us by God is not being a follower of God. Jesus help us!!
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Not warning them of Hell is a sin.,

Warning them of Hell is loving them.

Forgiveness is giving up the right to get even. Not overlooking sin.
 
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giantone said:
Not warning them of Hell is a sin. Warning them of Hell is loving them.
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If you saw someone walking towards a ditch and called out to him, did you warn him out of love? Probably not. We have better phrases to describe this virtuous action. Common decency, not wanting to see a guy fall in a ditch, etc. No, the Christian stranger does not even know us, much less love us, except in some limp, abstract sense. It's much better to admit that the Christian is trying to do something decent rather than painting it with cheap, unconvincing 'love.'

In any case, most Christians don't warn us suspecting that we'll actually be converted. Rather, these conversations are viewed as pious duties that will almost certainly fail. Love is patient, certainly, but if you've not conceded to the Christian's lovely warning in a few minutes of dialogue, the Christian more often than not shows himself interested more in winning a discussion and reinforcing his ideas about unbelievers, than delivering an effective warning.

It's really not hard to demonstrate that a warning delivered in love is, nine times out of ten, an attempt to troll a homosexual into reinforcing the Christian's identity. We would be much more convinced if the Christian were merely decent; loving is clearly asking too much.
 
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God calls homosexuality an abomination.Nowhere in scripture is pre-marital sex referred to in this term.However they are both sins and being directly disbodient to God which at any christians stadards should be defined as walking on thin ice.Yet homosexuality takes a more harsh term than pre-marital sex so this is a higher degree of sin and will bear harsher penalty as long as the person continues in the act.I think most can agree that it seems that a homosexual a lot of times can be more decieved than someone who is living in premarital sexual relations for they have been given into a retrobate mind.I dont think that the homosexual is any worse but is in a deeper deception and do believe that while all sin is sin there are degrees of sin.For instance there is the sin of violence,now if i hit someone without cause that is a terrible thing Ive done and I should be subject to consequence but if I murder someone that is indeed far worse and should be subject to far worse consequences which is the same with sexual sins.There are degrees of wickedness but ultimately its all wickedness
 
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watchmen said:
Yest they were at5tributing the acts of God to satan. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is knowingly and purposely attributing the acts of God to satan.


Like saying tongues is of the devil. If you say it out of ignorance that would not be blasphemy the Holy Spirit, but if you know that tongues is of God, but you still continue to teach it is of satan, then that would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
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giantone said:
Not warning them of Hell is a sin.,

Warning them of Hell is loving them.

Forgiveness is giving up the right to get even. Not overlooking sin.
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You must tell people the truth, but in love.
If you judge without mercy, your judgment will be without mercy.

Jesus did not come pointing out sin, He came pointing to the Father, and the forgiveness of sins.
He showed us the truth, we are in need of Him, and none of us are without sin.
All the world is equal in this,
for if we broke one of the laws we are worthy of death.
None of us can take credit for anything we've done or not done in order to get into heaven.
Our righteousness come from Jesus, He is the one who has no sin!
Jesus was a friend of sinners, and He only did what He saw the Father doing and
Jesus only said what the Father was saying.

So what example does pointing out sin set?

Jesus Himself set the example when a woman caught in adultery was cast down before Him, the church then knew what the word said, she deserved death, after all that is what the law says.
But what did Jesus do?
He said, let he who has no sin cast the first stone, and then He began to write in the sand.
One by one from the oldest to the youngest the accusers fell away, until Jesus stood alone with the woman.
The one who knew no sin set the example that day!

Why can't we live by His example?

Look at the life of Peter, he denied Jesus three times.
He cut off a man ear.
He sunk while walking on water.
He caused division in the book of Acts, causing the law to creep back in.
He did a lot of things but yet Jesus chose him, to be the rock!

Upon this rock I will build my church, the rock of the revealed Son of God, Jesus!
Those who love are of God,
We are to be salt and salt has healing power as it burns a wound.
We are to be a humble and contrite people, not rude and unloving.
It is our goodness that leads people to repentance.
Our mercy must out weigh our judgments and we must trust in the living God to know a man heart. He is the one who reveals the truth!
You are not the judge of a mans heart, God is!
You see the outside cover of a book, and you judge by what you see!

Where by your own lips you prove you do not know God, (casting stones)
you know the word,
but not the living word.
You have stumbled over the rock, and a veil still covers your face, you are still trapped by the law of sin and death, so you place others there with you, making the cross of no effect, and treating the grace of God as nothing.

We will reap from what we have sown, judgment with mercy, or without.
Life or death,
I would much rather reap life.
We are to be life givers not life takers.
Love, against which there is no law, no death, only life which comes from God, for God is love and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom from the Law of sin and death.
We realize there is only one who is without sin, Jesus!
Jesus is worthy to receive all praise!
He is worthy to have all knees bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord.
We are changed as we get to know Him, and as we do, we become like Him.
We can not take credit for it, it comes from faith in Jesus!





 
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Good point. Jesus did point out the sins of some. They were the religious hypocrites.
 
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shad said:
Satan is a great counterfeiter and he has a supernatural ability to make things appear as something that they are not. You must know all about Satan transforming himself into an angel of light in 2Cor 11:13-15. The gift of tongues has a great value attached to it by so many believers throughout the church and is used by many as evidence of spirituality and proof of the Holy Spirit. For Satan to counterfeit the gift of tongues in an assembly would cause much confusion and deception occupying people's minds away from hearing the word of God and being built up in Christ. Don't tell me that people can't give place to the devil / Eph 4:27. Peter's vocal cords were used by Satan to rebuke Christ / Mt 16:22,23.

If the enemy can sow tares among the wheat / Mt 13:25, it could happen in the assembly with the gift of tongues especially, when there is suppose to be a message from God connected to it. I don't think that Satan and all his confederated host have any problem with the languages and tongues of men in this world or even authenticating a 'tongue of angels' / 1Cor 13:1. If Satan can fill the heart with a lie / Acts 5:3, he can fill the mouth with a counterfeit tongue that carries his message and convince others that it is God's message. We are filled with the word of God and discernment through the Spirit so that we are not ignorant of Satan's devices, lest he take advantage of us / 2Cor 2:11. Be careful what you say about those that may discern the counterfeit tongue and where it is comes from. Your accusation of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not credible nor is it intelligent according to the scriptures.
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Thank you Shad, this needed to be said.
I have met a few angels but the one time I found myself talking to a demonic spirit I was having a converstion with a Charismatic,
 
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tryingtofindhim said:
I always hear Christians saying people who are gay aren't Christians, but a Christian can have premaritial sex and still be a Christian just may be living in sin. How does that work? Any opinions?
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Well I dont have any opinions, but i have truth from the Word, premarital sex and homosexuality are BOTH sins, and will BOTH get a person into hell. A sin is a sin, a murderer and a person who lies to their teacher have both sinned, and will both have to repent.

There's no difference.
 
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before you make such assertions maybe you should read your bible instead of letting someone tell you what it says. there is a difference in sin. some sins are an abomination some sins are not unto death and sometimes people can pray for your forgiveness instead of you praying and one sin is unforgivable. however concerning the question that was posed; when does marriage begin? you should check that out in the bible not some preacher's answer. and homosexuality is unnatural and a thing of loathing. those people that have not been braindefiled and desensitized would look upon two men kissing with their tongues in each others mouths fighting the mustaches as stomach turning. we were designed to appreciate the opposite sex and be attracted to one another. but if someone is attracted to the same sex or does not find this to be wrong then they are flawed and like any other defective item is in need of being recalled.
 
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There is nothing called a huge sin or a little sin. Once it's not right in God's eyes it's a SIN.
 
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greatkraw

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There is a HUGE difference between being run over by an 8 ton truck as compared to a 10 ton truck. (I think)
 
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greatkraw said:
There is a HUGE difference between being run over by an 8 ton truck as compared to a 10 ton truck. (I think)
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I dunno. speed has a big deal too, lol. If they are both going fast I don't think their would be a difference.
 
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How about this:

You do something wrong that hurts the feelings of somebody in your own house. How do you face them? Do you have remorse? Feeling hurt? Do you care that you hurt their feelings?

How about when you're driving and you're speeding. No problems... until you see a police officer on the side of the road. What do you do? You quickly slow down to the speed limit hoping that the police officer doesn't have you on his radar.

THAT feeling.

Do you have that when you sin?

Homosexuality and adultery are both sins. The Bible tells us that if you break one commandment, you broke them all.

People KNOW what the Bible says about homosexuality and adultery. In Romans 1, we read that not only those who PRACTICE those sins are not worthy of Heaven but also those who APPROVE of them.

A sin is a sin. Repentence is needed. That means to STOP!
 
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raydasha said:
There is nothing called a huge sin or a little sin. Once it's not right in God's eyes it's a SIN.
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well you have spoken without knowledge of the scriptures. yes sin is sin but all sins are not equal. for example eating pork is not a sin unto death but it is still a sin because we were commanded not to eat it and i guess now youre going to tell me how all meat is okay to eat
 
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secretofyah said:
well you have spoken without knowledge of the scriptures. yes sin is sin but all sins are not equal. for example eating pork is not a sin unto death but it is still a sin because we were commanded not to eat it and i guess now youre going to tell me how all meat is okay to eat
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not the old covenant? I'm pretty sure those laws aren't the same anymore.
 
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Eating pork is only a sin if you believe it to be.
 
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