What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

Deuteronomy 6:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. (this has to do with honoring parents as one of the Ten Commandments)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deuteronomy 13:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Just for starters. It's in the law, and it's not just New Testament. There's more too if you are interested.

thanks.

you just showed me proof I still need God. the law did what it was supposed to do. I condemns me. because I have failed to do those things, and still struggle to resist the flesh every day, and even if i did not. i would not be proud enough to claim i never sinned in any particular day, for I would be fooling myself.

I must ask myself why you think you can be righteous by the law. and where you think the bible tells you this can be done?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

just-me said:

Paul didn't have a carnal mind. Within himself he saw 2 laws working against each other.

Romans 7:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

If Paul would have been of a carnal mind, there would have been no conflict within himself. If we are different than Paul in this area, we will have no conflict within ourselves, and that confirms a carnal mindset that cannot be subject to the law of God. He thanked God because he was given the capability to serve the law of God with his mind.

Matthew 22:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Romans 8:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

yep he did..

with his mind (the flesh, or pride) he served sin. but with his heart (looking to the spirit) he served God.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

john832 said:

Uh, Paul says the Law describes the love of God...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The NKJV is a little clearer here...

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

The last six Commandments are simply summed up in love your neighbor. The love of God is to keep His Commandments...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Assuming the Apostle Jesus loved knew what he was talking about. (I think he did.)

lol..

no. what paul describes is that the law of love will do the law of God. not by looking to the law of God. but by looking to love (that is against self or the flesh)

try again??

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

john832 said:

me. i would rather have a neighbor who is not puffed up by law. Who does not look to the law. but is more worried about serving others, about serving God, and who he can serve on any given basis.

for he will be the one who (unconsciously) lives the life of christ and fulfills the law of love

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

just-me said:

when he said he did this.

this is what he meant...

How does one fulfill the law? (thus how did Christ fulfill it)

first:

Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

thus according to the law. anyone who did not conform to ALL the words of the law and obey them completely with NO sin, were cursed.

Christ fulfilled the law by being the first and only man to fulfill this requirement

second:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]“If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, [SUP]23 [/SUP]his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is [SUP][s][/SUP]accursed of God),

Jesus fulfilled the law. By taking the curse of not fulfilling the law in point one, for us..

and if you do not believe me. Maybe you will believe Paul:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

just-me · Mar 17, 2014

Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The carnal mind will reject the law because it is incapable of seeing the spiritual relevance within it. It cannot be seen as good, and will always see it in a negative format. It cannot see the purity in it, and cannot see it as holy. It is just and right, and cannot be changed even if the carnal mind desires it to be obsolete.

Romans 7:12-16 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Dustoffmyfeet · Mar 17, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

I cannot entirely say that. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and Solomon had more than one female to say the least. In other words with love, naturally comes honesty. The problem with the world is not men sleeping with other women or vice versa but the deception and lies produced by trying to maintain a false image of themselves. If I want to date more than one woman, love would dictate that I be honest with the women that I'm involved with so that they know the situation.

Understanding that all things are lawful for me though not expedient, I know or will experience the consequences for my dealings with them, but the love is the same. I would not want a female lying to me telling me that there is no one else. If we build upon that, it may fall apart if I find out. But if our relationship is built upon the truth from the start, we both knew what we were getting into.

Wildflower · Mar 17, 2014

just-me said:

If the Son shall make you free, then?

Sin has no dominion over you, why?

You are dead to sin. Your life is hid with Christ in God.

What does this mean?

Jesus is my righteousness.

What does this mean?

True Christianity is an exchange of life, which has nothing to do with our corrupt flesh. The carnal mind does not understand this.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

The flesh cannot please God, God is pleased with His Son. As the church the body of Christ, we need to understand the doctrines of Grace and how it is we are dead to the law.

The_highwayman · Mar 17, 2014

just-me said:

The war in heaven was not started by pride, it was started by a rebellious thought.....and then pride entered in.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

The_highwayman said:

Ah, But the rebelious thought came from thinking of self. Which by its very definition is pride. If we would never think of self (pride) we would never be tempted to have the rebellious thought.

paulsfam4 · Mar 17, 2014

mind and our actions..[h=3]The Law and Sin romans [SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.[/h]

dcontroversal · Mar 17, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Most were lost white washed coffins filled with dead men's bones and the (disciples) they made were two fold the children of hell as they taught religious observances as the way as well as the (doctrines) of men over the (doctrines) of God......

dcontroversal · Mar 17, 2014

The_highwayman said:

Did not God say that he was perfect in the day that he was created until (iniquity) was found in (thee)...His sin was...I will.....
as opposed to LORD what is your will!

Pride and self seem to go hand in hand and I agree that the sin originated in his mind......

Anton la (MORON) stated that true Satanism is the worship of self....

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2014

dcontroversal said:

true.

I find it amazing everyone has answered but the one I made the comment to. Wonder why that is..lol

chubbena · Mar 17, 2014

just-me said:

In other words, we Christians as a whole have exceeded what the Pharisees achieved by doing away with the law. The biblical Messiah is no longer needed and if only the law keepers keep their mouth shut it would be a happier world...until then.

dcontroversal · Mar 17, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Well...wisdom is justified of her children..........just saying that is!

Wildflower · Mar 18, 2014

dcontroversal said:

The religious systems of this world stem from the first theologian, satan. Theology is knowledge about God (lie), not the knowledge of God (truth). Worship, that is an interesting thing. God gave one system of worship and He took it away on the cross.

Sin is self idolatry, self righteousness, self destruction... self will, self work, self adherence to bad doctrines and false gospels.

Trying to follow the doctrines, teachings or principles of Christ's earthly ministry will not save you. Eph 2:12 says, you were dead, without out hope, without Christ, without God at that time.

Trying to do or be good or keep the law will not save you. Trying to overcome sins or confessing your sins daily will not remove one sin from your account. Water baptism will not save you or remit one sin.

You have got to put your complete trust in what Christ did for you on that cross, plus nothing else.

Only trusting in the shed blood and the perfect work and sacrifice of the Son of God will save your soul, in an instant, in the moment your heart receives and believes the gospel for today, the gospel of grace & peace.

Knowing the peace of God does not drive us to religious performances, it causes us to turn from such things.

Wildflower · Mar 18, 2014

dcontroversal , to clearify that wasn't at you, just used a portion your comment.

just-me · Mar 18, 2014

The_highwayman said:

I see that neither the word pride, nor rebellion is used in this passage, but iniquity is.

Ezekiel 28:13-17 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the * onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle,and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity (5766) was found in thee.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

5766 `evel eh'-vel or lavel {aw'-vel}; and lavlah {av-law'}; or owlah {o-law'}; or .olah {o-law'}; from 5765; (moral) evil:--iniquity, perverseness, unjust(-ly), unrighteousness(-ly); wicked(-ness).

5765 `aval aw-val' a primitive root; to distort (morally):--deal unjustly, unrighteous.

*Onyx-the understanding of the creation of the physical/natural in detail. If the law isn’t understood as spiritual, it is of no use.
(Matthew 16:2-4, Galatians 3:19, John 5:44-47, John 8:42-45)

Matthew 16:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Galatians 3:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 8:42-45 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

just-me · Mar 18, 2014

chubbena said:

That's a sad statement. I cannot be a law keeper in detail, but to observe and learn the ways of our Father in heaven by the law is beneficial to me as a believer. I endorse it as divine and profitable.

What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

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