What must I do to be saved

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Nehemiah6

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I believe God decides who will be saved and who won't.
So you continue to promote the Calvinistic FALSE TEACHING of some being elected to salvation, and others to damnation?

You claim that you want the Bible to be the final authority, but it is obvious that you have made Augustine, Calvin, and all their cohorts the final authority.

The answer to your question is found in Acts 16:30,31.
 

OstrichSmiling

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So you continue to promote the Calvinistic FALSE TEACHING of some being elected to salvation, and others to damnation?

You claim that you want the Bible to be the final authority, but it is obvious that you have made Augustine, Calvin, and all their cohorts the final authority.

The answer to your question is found in Acts 16:30,31.
What of those verses that speak of the Elect?
As in Acts chapter 13?
Expanded Version: 19 "because those days will be full of ·trouble [distress; T tribulation]. There will be more ·trouble [distress; T tribulation] than there has ever been since the beginning, when God made the world, until now, and nothing as bad will ever happen again [Dan. 12:1]. 20 ·God has decided to make that terrible time short [L If the Lord had not shortened those days…]. Otherwise, no one would ·go on living [survive; L be saved]. But God will make that time short ·to help [for the sake of] ·the people [the elect] he has chosen. 21 At that time, someone might say to you, ‘Look, there is the ·Christ [Messiah]!’ Or another person might say, ‘There he is!’ But don’t believe them. "

ESV: 19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be. 20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days. 21 And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
 

Nehemiah6

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What of those verses that speak of the Elect?
What about them?

Election and predestination are for the ultimate perfection and glorification OF THOSE ALREADY SAVED BY GRACE.

And God will have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

BTW, Matthew 24 is not a reference to the Church but the believing remnant of Israel AFTER the second coming of Christ.
 
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ESV: 19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be. 20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days. 21 And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
Start reading in vs 15 - it's talking about the "abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place". And in vs 21 - "then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be".

This section of Scripture relates to the nation of Israel and the Temple. God shortens the days of the final attack by satan on the nation of Israel ... God's chosen people.
 
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pjharrison

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What must one do to be saved.

I believe God decides who will be saved and who won't.

There are many scriptures which support the view that we don't decide to believe in Christ, but faith in Christ is a gift that God gives only to His elect.

Most folks don't agree with the doctrine of predestination/election, because many other scriptures say things like you must obey and remain faithful to the end etc...

These two opposing views have been debated for centuries, so today we have the benefit of many good good books on the subject but have we arrived at a consensus in the Church.

I would love to see the Church unite and resolve this dividing issue. But I fear that it will continue to be an enigma for the Church. Why can't we let the Bible be the final authority and accept what it really says and unite in the truth.
Anyone has the opportunity to be saved. I would suggest to read the old testament or listen to it on cd. Learn about God. To fear God is the beginning of wisdom. The rest will follow.
 

OstrichSmiling

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What about them?

Election and predestination are for the ultimate perfection and glorification OF THOSE ALREADY SAVED BY GRACE.

And God will have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

BTW, Matthew 24 is not a reference to the Church but the believing remnant of Israel AFTER the second coming of Christ.
My post asked about and shared Matthew 13. I made no reference to chapter 24.

Anyone has the opportunity to be saved. I would suggest to read the old testament or listen to it on cd. Learn about God. To fear God is the beginning of wisdom. The rest will follow.
Do you believe the verses speak of fear in the context that we today comprehend fear? Or do you believe there is another word that was first used and defined respect, reverence?
 

Jackson123

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What must one do to be saved.

I believe God decides who will be saved and who won't.

There are many scriptures which support the view that we don't decide to believe in Christ, but faith in Christ is a gift that God gives only to His elect.

Most folks don't agree with the doctrine of predestination/election, because many other scriptures say things like you must obey and remain faithful to the end etc...

These two opposing views have been debated for centuries, so today we have the benefit of many good good books on the subject but have we arrived at a consensus in the Church.

I would love to see the Church unite and resolve this dividing issue. But I fear that it will continue to be an enigma for the Church. Why can't we let the Bible be the final authority and accept what it really says and unite in the truth.

John 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

To be save, all you need is believe in Jesus. Forget about predestination or free will. We don't know for sure, but we know for sure, that if you believe in Him you save
 

ljs

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To be saved one must obey the commandments....which is to love others as yourself. This is the law and the prophets.

NO !!!
To be saved we must Believe the Gospel and trust Christ as our saviour !!
 

OstrichSmiling

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Start reading in vs 15 - it's talking about the "abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place". And in vs 21 - "then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be".

This section of Scripture relates to the nation of Israel and the Temple. God shortens the days of the final attack by satan on the nation of Israel ... God's chosen people.
Thank you. :) And thank you for using the term chosen people. I believe it puts into proper appointment and reiterates the passage term, elect, in Mark 13. Jesus teaches and reminds listeners of the past and shares of things to come.

Thank you again. :)
 
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My post asked about and shared Matthew 13. I made no reference to chapter 24.
Isn't the Scripture referenced in your Post #22 from Matt 24:21-23?

Edited to add: I guess you quoted from Mark 13:19-21. Apologies for any confusion on my part.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Isn't the Scripture referenced in your Post #22 from Matt 24:21-23?

Edited to add: I guess you quoted from Mark 13:19-21. Apologies for any confusion on my part.
Thank you.
They are quite similar really. And yes, my posted passage was from Mark 13. The Expanded Version.
Thank you again.
 

MarkWilliams

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John 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

To be save, all you need is believe in Jesus. Forget about predestination or free will. We don't know for sure, but we know for sure, that if you believe in Him you save
Why do some believe and others don't. is one group smarter than the other. Or do they just decide it's worth the gamble in case there is something to this Gospel thing
 

MarkWilliams

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Anyone has the opportunity to be saved. I would suggest to read the old testament or listen to it on cd. Learn about God. To fear God is the beginning of wisdom. The rest will follow.
Why do the most intelligent minds in the world reject the Gospel as foolishness. Are they missing something, you can preach the Bible all day to them and they will just think you're even more foolish for wasting your time
 
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pjharrison

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Why do the most intelligent minds in the world reject the Gospel as foolishness. Are they missing something, you can preach the Bible all day to them and they will just think you're even more foolish for wasting your time
Because they love the world.
 

MarkWilliams

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So you continue to promote the Calvinistic FALSE TEACHING of some being elected to salvation, and others to damnation?

You claim that you want the Bible to be the final authority, but it is obvious that you have made Augustine, Calvin, and all their cohorts the final authority.

The answer to your question is found in Acts 16:30,31.
It's a hard Biblical teaching, but many great Bible scholars believe it. I believe that the ability to believe the Bible in it's true sense is also a gift. For the word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing
 

Nehemiah6

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It's a hard Biblical teaching, but many great Bible scholars believe it.
It is a FALSE Bible teaching. So you will need to explain whether Christ said what is true or false in John 3:17.

TRUE OR FALSE (these are the words of Christ): For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You (and others of your persuasion) have ignored the significance of this Scripture. You will either you have to admit that what Christ said was true, or accuse Him of a falsehood!

Also in the beginning you were not really sure if Calvinism was true, but now Satan has managed to deceive you into thinking it is true. But this one verse alone BLOWS AWAY Calvinism. And you should not dodge this Scripture, since it could empower you to REJECT Calvinism.

As to a great many Bible scholars, sadly they simply follow the doctrines of men, and superimpose their preconceived ideas upon Scripture. Very, very sad.
 
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Biblically-->Trust Jesus by faith and acknowledge that in prayer

Religionists-->Trust JESUS plus any combination of the following---> Be immersed, sprinkled or stand in the rain, back flip down the isle and over pews, speaks some mumbo jumbo, handle snakes, drink poison, 98764 good works plus 1, be a member of a particular name brand church, be sinless, keep the law, say the rosary 83 times a day, take communion 1684 times, confess in the ears of a priest, do 67 sacraments, etc........