What of the dinosaurs?

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There are stories of a plesiosaur-like creature seen in Queensland, Australia. Both aboriginal peoples around Lake Galilee and tribes farther up to the north tell of a long-necked animal with a large body and flippers. "Elders of the Kuku Yalanji aboriginal tribe of Far North Queensland, Australia, relate stories of Yarru (or Yarrba), a creature which used to inhabit rain forest water holes. The painting
depicts a creature with features remarkably similar to a plesiosaur. It even shows an outline of the gastro-intestinal tract, indicating that these animals had been hunted and butchered." (CEN Technical Journal, Vol.12, No. 3, 1998, p. 345.)mystifying puzzling ancient artifacts - Page 10 - HardwareZone.com.sg | Product reviews | Technology News | Blogs

This is like the stories of the Loch Ness Monster. You found this image on another forum. Once again you are accepting the claim based solely on the grounds that you want very much to believe that dinosaurs cohabited the earth with people. Your first stance should be one of skepticism. Have them prove the legitimacy of their sources and images. Look at what the historians and archeologists are saying. The websites you've presented me with, every time, are designed by people who, like yourself, want desperately to believe the claim that people and dinosaurs shared the earth. They are not being any more critical of their sources than you have been. They accept every image at face value, just as I once accepted every ghost story someone tried to pass off as a true occurrence.

You need physical evidence. There are archeological sites were stone age peoples killed and butchered wooly mammoths. There should be similar sites were they killed and butchered herbivorous dinosaurs. Where are they? Note also that the oldest DNA yet retrieved was from a species of extinct horse (estimated at about 700,000 years old). We have DNA from all sorts of extinct mammals, including some extinct humanoid groups (Neanderthals and Denisovans), but no DNA from any dinosaurs. If dinosaurs died out only 6,000 to 10,000 years ago then we should be able to extract DNA from almost every fossil. Think about it. It’s a real problem for those who want to believe in a young earth.

World's Oldest Genome Sequenced From 700,000-Year-Old Horse DNA
 
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A mammoth is any species of the extinct genus Mammuthus, proboscideans commonly equipped with long, curved tusks and, in northern species, a covering of long hair. They lived from the Pliocene epoch (from around 5 million years ago) into the Holocene at about 4,500 years ago[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] in Africa, Europe, Asia, and North America. They were members of the family Elephantidae which contains, along with mammoths, the two genera of modern elephants and their ancestors



'It is the best preserved adult mammoth trunk ever found. Its red meat, skin and hairs are in good condition. It looks like a freshly killed animal meat'. Pictured left to right are Sergey Fedorov (Mammoth Museum, North Eastern Federal University/NEFU), Teodor Obada (Academy of Science, Moldova), Alexei Tikhonov (Zoological Museum, Russian Academy of Science, St. Petersburg), Daniel Fisher (University of Michigan), Gavril Novgorodov (Mammoth Museum, NEFU), Konstantine (Mammoth Museum, NEFU), and Semyon Grigoriev (Mammoth Museum, NEFU). Picture: Victor Makarovhttp://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/scientists-discover-worlds-best-preserved-woolly-mammoth-trunk/


They claim that the mammoth were around since 5 millions years ago and just recently became extinct. But I believe that they been only around since Adam and Eve and just barely became extinct. Man just hunted them down as they had did the other giant creatures like the buffalo. Like if a boy is to become a man, they must hunt and kill a giant creature, so that must be the reason that all of these creatures had died off.
 
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Yep. And you can find this story told in 1 Illusions 3.

For those who are not sure about that verse, here's a contrasting view in Ex. 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them,..."

You decide who you want to believe.
The scriptures is true. It's just the blind faith bunch who say that those were 24 hour days. They just don't know scriptures. Unfortunately such silliness is what understandably makes others think twice before becoming a Christian. A scientist who knows that the earth is old, isn't going to enjoy sitting with a bunch of people who disagree, based on some errant ideas of a few. Instead of evangelizing with the Name of Jesus, the 24 hour-day splinter group "Christians" make the rest of us look ignorant as well. Now it's harder to evangelize. Good job guys.
 
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The scriptures is true. It's just the blind faith bunch who say that those were 24 hour days. They just don't know scriptures. Unfortunately such silliness is what understandably makes others think twice before becoming a Christian. A scientist who knows that the earth is old, isn't going to enjoy sitting with a bunch of people who disagree, based on some errant ideas of a few. Instead of evangelizing with the Name of Jesus, the 24 hour-day splinter group "Christians" make the rest of us look ignorant as well. Now it's harder to evangelize. Good job guys.
ok, even if the earth were say millions of years, with the a day is a thousand years and a thousand is a day theory, which is understandable, they will say we're right about monkeys to man as well, something I'm in total disagreement with. There are still monkeys today, they didn't need to change, this is bogus. No one can observe a monkey changing. If people need facts and not faith, blessed are those who haven't seen, and believe.

As for the line down from Adam to Jesus, to us... I agree with the exact years of man, that's laid out.
 
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Here is something I have never been able to figure out. Dinosaur fossils have been found for a very long time and according to todays science they are thousands possibly millions of years old. But I don't get it, the bible doesn't speak of T rex's attacking ppl. When exactly did they roam the earth? because God created the earth in seven days on the sixth day created man okay so did the dinosaurs go around eating mankind from the very creation of the world then one day were wiped out?

If I was in a debate with an athiest trying to get him to accept God and he brought this up I would be clueless
There's been soft tissue of a tyrannosaurs horn found. It's reasonably impossible for tissue to last millions of years old. This has been published and obviously contradicts the idea that dinosaurs are millions of years old... Watch this...

Soft Tissues in Triceratops Horn - YouTube

Also.. the same for T-Rex. Watch...

Dr. Mary Schweitzer on T-Rex Soft Tissue Discovery.flv - YouTube


This stuff... just cant last millions of years. I think common sense tells us that so far. Research is still being done to make much more sure, last I heard, we'll wait and see. I'm optimistic. :)
 
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Human history as we know it is only at best 10,000 yrs old. Carbon dating is not true science. I heard a story of a live butterfly put through carbon dating and the results said he was 1000's of yrs old. I believe that the days of creation are literal 24 hour days because scripture says morning and evening were the first day. God has to speak to us in human terms so that we understand. Therefore those terms morning and evening denote to us a 24 hour day.

There are those that subscribe to the gap theory between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 how long was the earth without form and void.
 
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This is like the stories of the Loch Ness Monster. You found this image on another forum. Once again you are accepting the claim based solely on the grounds that you want very much to believe that dinosaurs cohabited the earth with people. Your first stance should be one of skepticism. Have them prove the legitimacy of their sources and images. Look at what the historians and archeologists are saying. The websites you've presented me with, every time, are designed by people who, like yourself, want desperately to believe the claim that people and dinosaurs shared the earth. They are not being any more critical of their sources than you have been. They accept every image at face value, just as I once accepted every ghost story someone tried to pass off as a true occurrence.

You need physical evidence. There are archeological sites were stone age peoples killed and butchered wooly mammoths. There should be similar sites were they killed and butchered herbivorous dinosaurs. Where are they? Note also that the oldest DNA yet retrieved was from a species of extinct horse (estimated at about 700,000 years old). We have DNA from all sorts of extinct mammals, including some extinct humanoid groups (Neanderthals and Denisovans), but no DNA from any dinosaurs. If dinosaurs died out only 6,000 to 10,000 years ago then we should be able to extract DNA from almost every fossil. Think about it. It’s a real problem for those who want to believe in a young earth.

World's Oldest Genome Sequenced From 700,000-Year-Old Horse DNA
You had thought that the kraken was a mythical beast, but an biologist has found it. I know that if you put a small fish in a big pond, it becomes bigger; the bigger the pond, the bigger the fish, gets. Some of these myth that science claims as myth, aren't myth at all. Because if it doesn't fit into their book, then it is consider as a myth or it'll become debunked. Right now at this moment, science is trying to figure out certain things that they can't figure out why, but you doesn't has to be a Rocket scientist to figure these things out. Like the body its needs rest because of the lack of energy that a person use up during awake, and so it rejuvenates, replenish while it is resting from the lack of certain things that certain organs use up more nutrients than the others organs. So the body is always producing nutrients, but slowly that it can't keep up with the high demands.

As far as we know, virtually every creature on earth enjoys a good night's rest as much as people do (though the hours we choose to sleep varies greatly). So obviously sleep must serve a key purpose for all living things, right? Well, it turns out science doesn't have a clue.


Read more: 8 Simple Questions You Won't Believe Science Can't Answer | Cracked.com
 
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There's been soft tissue of a tyrannosaurs horn found. It's reasonably impossible for tissue to last millions of years old. This has been published and obviously contradicts the idea that dinosaurs are millions of years old... Watch this...

Soft Tissues in Triceratops Horn - YouTube

Also.. the same for T-Rex. Watch...

Dr. Mary Schweitzer on T-Rex Soft Tissue Discovery.flv - YouTube


This stuff... just cant last millions of years. I think common sense tells us that so far. Research is still being done to make much more sure, last I heard, we'll wait and see. I'm optimistic. :)
Regarding your first video, Mark Armitage deserves about as much credibility as Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind).

What does Dr. Mary Schweitzer have to say about her discovery these days? Your video is 7 years old.

Does Dr. Mary Schweitzer say that the dinosaur bone in question is less than 6,000 years old? Or millions of years old?
 
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The young earth theory is bogus .... it should be obvious that the earth and universe are of extreme aging

.... but the presence of the first humans about 6000 years ago is a different matter

No on needs a sideline theory

Just read your Bible .... the correct account of creation

Genesis 1:1 ......................... Genesis 1:2

There is a long long time lapse between
 
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The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.


Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.” To make things clearer, we constructed the following table comparing the scientific names with the Biblical names tanniyn, behemoth, and Leviathan.


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[TD="colspan: 4"]“Dinosaur” Names, Then and Now[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Name and date first written in the Bible[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared[/TD]
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[TD]tanniyn (dragon)[/TD]
[TD]before 1400 BC[/TD]
[TD]dinosaur[/TD]
[TD]1841 AD[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]behemoth[/TD]
[TD]before 1400 BC[/TD]
[TD]brachiosaurus[/TD]
[TD]1903 AD[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Leviathan[/TD]
[TD]before 1400 BC[/TD]
[TD]kronosaurus[/TD]
[TD]1901 AD[/TD]
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[/TABLE]
 
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The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.


Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.” To make things clearer, we constructed the following table comparing the scientific names with the Biblical names tanniyn, behemoth, and Leviathan.


[TABLE]
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[TD="colspan: 4"]“Dinosaur” Names, Then and Now[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Name and date first written in the Bible[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared[/TD]
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[TD]tanniyn (dragon)[/TD]
[TD]before 1400 BC[/TD]
[TD]dinosaur[/TD]
[TD]1841 AD[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]behemoth[/TD]
[TD]before 1400 BC[/TD]
[TD]brachiosaurus[/TD]
[TD]1903 AD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Leviathan[/TD]
[TD]before 1400 BC[/TD]
[TD]kronosaurus[/TD]
[TD]1901 AD[/TD]
[/TR]
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Did you come up with this all by yourself?

You know, I bet you copy and pasted it from a YEC website.
 
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Did you come up with this all by yourself?

You know, I bet you copy and pasted it from a YEC website.
In the Bible, Tannin is the Hebrew term for Leviathan or sea dragon (Isaiah 27:1). Sometimes he is compared with Rahab, another sea monster who is especially associated with the Red Sea. Some scholars associated Tannin with Tiamat, as it happened with Rahab. It is unclear in Jewish literature the differentiation between Tannin, Rahab, andLeviathan, but Tannin and Rahab are more easily confused with one another. Tannin, as well as Rahab, was a name applied to Egypt after the exodus of the Israelites from that country. Tannin (demon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's over 7,000 different languages.
 
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A mammoth is any species of the extinct genus Mammuthus, proboscideans commonly equipped with long, curved tusks and, in northern species, a covering of long hair.

They claim that the mammoth were around since 5 millions years ago and just recently became extinct. But I believe that they been only around since Adam and Eve and just barely became extinct. Man just hunted them down as they had did the other giant creatures like the buffalo. Like if a boy is to become a man, they must hunt and kill a giant creature, so that must be the reason that all of these creatures had died off.
4enlightment, you want to believe Adam and Eve might have seen mammoths? Fine. Evolutionists agree that mammoths and humans did coexist in the world. I have no problem with this, but you have no physical remains of dinosaurs found in conjunction with the remains of humans. We do have mammoth remains. See image below.



Woolly mammoth DNA may lead to a resurrection of the ancient beast | Science | The Guardian

There is a huge difference between acknowledging mammoths existed with humans and claiming dinosaurs existed with us.
 
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In the Bible, Tannin is the Hebrew term for Leviathan or sea dragon (Isaiah 27:1). Sometimes he is compared with Rahab, another sea monster who is especially associated with the Red Sea. Some scholars associated Tannin with Tiamat... Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Since you have raised this matter of dragons, or sea monsters, I will point to the similarity between the creation myths of the Ancient Near East. In all of them there is the same motif of a male god defeating a female chaos god (represented as either a dragon or a sea monster). "Examples of the storm god vs. sea serpent trope in the Ancient Near East can be seen with Baʿal vs. Yam (Canaanite), Marduk vs. Tiamat (Babylonian), Ra vs. Apep (Egyptian Mythology), and Yahweh vs. Leviathan (Jewish) among others." Chaos (cosmogony) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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ok, even if the earth were say millions of years, with the a day is a thousand years and a thousand is a day theory, which is understandable, they will say we're right about monkeys to man as well, something I'm in total disagreement with. There are still monkeys today, they didn't need to change, this is bogus. No one can observe a monkey changing. If people need facts and not faith, blessed are those who haven't seen, and believe.

As for the line down from Adam to Jesus, to us... I agree with the exact years of man, that's laid out.
As a scientist and after viewing all the available evidence I've seen over the decades, evidence shows clearly there has never been an occurrence of evolution. Quite the opposite in fact. An euglena is a one celled animal, the only one ever of it's kind, and it has a MOTOR complete with rotor, brushes, stator and shaft that drives a propulsion tale.
The greatest minds have changed their tune back away from the evolution myth with this one-of-a-kind impossible-to-evolve mechanism.

And yes brother, Genesis begins with the recorded History of Adam and His descendents, clear to Jesus Himself of the tribe of Judah. We are not given to know anything prior to that accept that God created everything. "Six days" has a spiritual meaning. For a Christian it is a moot point.
The REAL point is the History from Adam. For this is the beginning of God Manifestation in the earth, when He began to actually ENTER into His Creation, to bring His Glory to the earth. Of which Glory is summed up in the Gospel shining in the face of Jesus Himself :)
How fun :) !!
 
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As a scientist and after viewing all the available evidence I've seen over the decades, evidence shows clearly there has never been an occurrence of evolution.
What is the definition of evolution you are using?
 
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The scriptures is true. It's just the blind faith bunch who say that those were 24 hour days. They just don't know scriptures. Unfortunately such silliness is what understandably makes others think twice before becoming a Christian. A scientist who knows that the earth is old, isn't going to enjoy sitting with a bunch of people who disagree, based on some errant ideas of a few. Instead of evangelizing with the Name of Jesus, the 24 hour-day splinter group "Christians" make the rest of us look ignorant as well. Now it's harder to evangelize. Good job guys.
Well actually the guy I was responding to also believes the days of Genesis were literally 24 hour days. He understands much better than you that the text is crystal clear in this regard. But since he also believes in millions of years, he's arguing for a gap between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 to account for deep time. But the passage I cited not only refutes the gap theory, but the day-age theory you're promoting.

Ex. 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, ...... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.....

Notice Moses defines what a day actually is. Just as we work six days of the week, God made the world and all that is in it in six days.

You're free to reject this, of course, but that's what the Bible teaches.
 
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Since you have raised this matter of dragons, or sea monsters, I will point to the similarity between the creation myths of the Ancient Near East. In all of them there is the same motif of a male god defeating a female chaos god (represented as either a dragon or a sea monster). "Examples of the storm god vs. sea serpent trope in the Ancient Near East can be seen with Baʿal vs. Yam (Canaanite), Marduk vs. Tiamat (Babylonian), Ra vs. Apep (Egyptian Mythology), and Yahweh vs. Leviathan (Jewish) among others." Chaos (cosmogony) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Makes sense. If the Genesis account is true, we should see myths from ancient cultures that resemble the same story. You're actually offering corroborating support for the Genesis account. Let's not forget the multitude of flood legends and corroborate the Flood, as well as the numerous dragon slayer legends that corroborate dinosaurs and man existing together at the same time. This historical evidence overwhelming supports the Bible.
 
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Well actually the guy I was responding to also believes the days of Genesis were literally 24 hour days. He understands much better than you that the text is crystal clear in this regard. But since he also believes in millions of years, he's arguing for a gap between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 to account for deep time. But the passage I cited not only refutes the gap theory, but the day-age theory you're promoting.

Ex. 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, ...... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.....

Notice Moses defines what a day actually is. Just as we work six days of the week, God made the world and all that is in it in six days.

You're free to reject this, of course, but that's what the Bible teaches.
No it does not. And you are presumptuous to say some guy knows better lol. Especially if he thinks 6 24 hours days. No one who knows scriptures will come up with that. That is an absurd claim and I can't imagine the number of intelligent people turned off by such silly unscriptural twisting of what a Day to the Lord Means.