What of the dinosaurs?

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"Gary Parker"? "Thomas Kindall"? "Jobe Martin?" All are ICR hacks.

Interesting that none of them have any scientific publications I can find, but a lot of paid creationist presentations.
Gary Parker is not a hack Doc...
B.A. in Biology/Chemistry from Ball State University
M.S. in Biology/Physiology from Ball State University[1]
Ed.D. in biology with a cognate in geology and paleontology from Ball State University




Dr. Parker began his academic career as a non-Christian and evolutionist, and taught and promoted evolution for many years. However, he eventually became convinced that the scientific evidence strongly favors Creation, not Evolution and is now an active proponent of creation apologetics. He has taught biology at Eastern Baptist College, Dordt College, Christian Heritage College, Clearwater Christian College, and the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School. He is also a prolific author who has co-authored 15 books on origin related topics, and five biology textbooks. He also appeared in several internationally distributed film and television programs.[1]
 
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"Gary Parker"? "Thomas Kindall"? "Jobe Martin?" All are ICR hacks.

Interesting that none of them have any scientific publications I can find, but a lot of paid creationist presentations.
I earned my doctorate from the University of California in 1976. My fellow students and I talked about whether we could make a living after all the years of research, and study we had spent. I remember joking that if we totally failed in science, we could still become creationist preachers.

I could still follow the same path if I were a totally dishonest scum.
 
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Gary Parker is not a hack Doc...
B.A. in Biology/Chemistry from Ball State University
M.S. in Biology/Physiology from Ball State University[1]
Ed.D. in biology with a cognate in geology and paleontology from Ball State University
Thanks for looking that up.

Perfect example. A Ed.D. is a degree for high school teachers needing a pay raise. It is a "doctorate in education." It has no credibility in science.
 
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I earned my doctorate from the University of California in 1976. My fellow students and I talked about whether we could make a living after all the years of research, and study we had spent. I remember joking that if we totally failed in science, we could still become creationist preachers.

I could still follow the same path if I were a totally dishonest scum.
I still love you doc, and will be praying for you
 
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I earned my doctorate from the University of California in 1976. My fellow students and I talked about whether we could make a living after all the years of research, and study we had spent. I remember joking that if we totally failed in science, we could still become creationist preachers.

I could still follow the same path if I were a totally dishonest scum.
Wow. So much hatred. Get over yourself! Besides, creationist preachers by and large make very little money, hence why they have their research projects and studies to do on the side. I'm not sure where you get the impression that they have bags of money, but it's just not true.
 
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Wow. So much hatred. Get over yourself! Besides, creationist preachers by and large make very little money, hence why they have their research projects and studies to do on the side. I'm not sure where you get the impression that they have bags of money, but it's just not true.
You seem to confuse "hatred" for honest anger at the lies and frauds perpetrated by con-men like the ICR, or Aig.

"Dr. Dino" was banking about a million smakers a year from his scam of pious if ignorant people.

Ken Ham stole the bank from his former Answers in Genesis buddies, He even stole their mailing list, and corporate titles.

You are just another victim.
 
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Wow. So much hatred. Get over yourself! Besides, creationist preachers by and large make very little money, hence why they have their research projects and studies to do on the side. I'm not sure where you get the impression that they have bags of money, but it's just not true.
No doubt and I agree...Not to mention the fact that he thinks his degree from some acid guru college in California makes his wisdom all that and a bag of chips.....what a farce.....!
 
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No doubt and I agree...Not to mention the fact that he thinks his degree from some acid guru college in California makes his wisdom all that and a bag of chips.....what a farce.....!
Heheheh

Ph.D. University of California 1976, silly child. lol

But long after graduation I held professorships, and fellowships. I had classes with members of the National academy of Science, and lunch with a Nobel Prize winner. I got my bill, so I guess he really was smarter. I was on the Board of Directors of the Southern California Academy of Science.

But the best part is, I was judged by the content, and competence of my work and not my wealth, race, sex, religion, or political party.

That is why science wins.
 
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You seem to confuse "hatred" for honest anger at the lies and frauds perpetrated by con-men like the ICR, or Aig.

"Dr. Dino" was banking about a million smakers a year from his scam of pious if ignorant people.

Ken Ham stole the bank from his former Answers in Genesis buddies, He even stole their mailing list, and corporate titles.

You are just another victim.
I wonder how many of these YECs gave to Ken Ham to build this $73 million fake Noah's Ark.

Rumor has it that Dr. Dino is going to lend him a T. rex or two to take on the first voyage.
 

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I earned my doctorate from the University of California in 1976. My fellow students and I talked about whether we could make a living after all the years of research, and study we had spent. I remember joking that if we totally failed in science, we could still become creationist preachers.

I could still follow the same path if I were a totally dishonest scum.
Thanks for looking that up.

Perfect example. A Ed.D. is a degree for high school teachers needing a pay raise. It is a "doctorate in education." It has no credibility in science.
Heheheh

Ph.D. University of California 1976, silly child. lol

But long after graduation I held professorships, and fellowships. I had classes with members of the National academy of Science, and lunch with a Nobel Prize winner. I got my bill, so I guess he really was smarter. I was on the Board of Directors of the Southern California Academy of Science.

But the best part is, I was judged by the content, and competence of my work and not my wealth, race, sex, religion, or political party.

That is why science wins.
Just wondering, what is your doctorate in?
 
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I wonder how many of these YECs gave to Ken Ham to build this $73 million fake Noah's Ark.

Rumor has it that Dr. Dino is going to lend him a T. rex or two to take on the first voyage.
JackH, I never expected such loving words from you. Do you always come to CC just to blast biblical creationists? It's old hat, your spiel is tiresome. I could be wrong, but it seems much of your energy is just that, angry rants fueled by hate.
 
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You seem to confuse "hatred" for honest anger at the lies and frauds perpetrated by con-men like the ICR, or Aig.

"Dr. Dino" was banking about a million smakers a year from his scam of pious if ignorant people.

Ken Ham stole the bank from his former Answers in Genesis buddies, He even stole their mailing list, and corporate titles.

You are just another victim.
Just curious, what did you think of Dr. Gene Scott?

At least he was entertaining, what with the babes, and horses, and his chalkboard.

Unlike Ham and Dr. Dino and the ICR lackeys.

They make me throw up in my mouth.

Dr. Arnold Murray is also a hoot. Mr. Sword was grasping for his name a while back in a response to Straightshot's earth ages theory. Dr. Murray passed away so his telecasts these days must be coming from heaven. Much like Dr. Dino's telecasts come from the cell at the federal prison where he is incarcerated.
 
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JackH, I never expected such loving words from you. Do you always come to CC just to blast biblical creationists? It's old hat, your spiel is tiresome. I could be wrong, but it seems much of your energy is just that, angry rants fueled by hate.
I must have struck a nerve.

So you are reconsidering your 6,000-year-old world?
 

john832

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Just curious, what did you think of Dr. Gene Scott?

At least he was entertaining, what with the babes, and horses, and his chalkboard.

Unlike Ham and Dr. Dino and the ICR lackeys.

They make me throw up in my mouth.

Dr. Arnold Murray is also a hoot. Mr. Sword was grasping for his name a while back in a response to Straightshot's earth ages theory. Dr. Murray passed away so his telecasts these days must be coming from heaven. Much like Dr. Dino's telecasts come from the cell at the federal prison where he is incarcerated.
I find it interesting that instead of logical arguments and evidence of your theory, you are simply an attack dog for DR. HURD.
 
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I find it interesting that instead of logical arguments and evidence of your theory, you are simply an attack dog for DR. HURD.
Woof, woof.

I used to be a wolf.

Actually, a wolf-like canid that became extinct well over 6,000 years ago.

I'm sure you know that dog fossils have been discovered that are more than 6,000 years old.

And humans must have existed alongside those dogs, because a dog is a man's best friend (Proverbs 21:32).
 

john832

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Woof, woof.

I used to be a wolf.

Actually, a wolf-like canid that became extinct well over 6,000 years ago.

I'm sure you know that dog fossils have been discovered that are more than 6,000 years old.

And humans must have existed alongside those dogs, because a dog is a man's best friend (Proverbs 21:32).
They MUST have? Oh, now that is really hard science. Is jumping to such conclusions the prescribed method evolutionary scientists use? Explains a lot.
 

john832

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Well, when I consider some science involved myself, it is not really helpful...

Basic principles
Parent and daughter isotopes commonly used to establish ages of rocks.


Many atoms (or elements) exist as numerous varieties called isotopes, some of which are radioactive, meaning they decay over time by losing particles. Radiometric dating is based on the decay rate of these isotopes into stable nonradioactive isotopes. To date an object, scientists measure the quantity of parent and daughter isotope in a sample, and use the atomic decay rate to determine its possible age.
For example, in the [SUP]238[/SUP]U-[SUP]206[/SUP]Pb series, [SUP]238[/SUP]U is the parent isotope and the others are daughter isotopes. [SUP]206[/SUP]Pb is the final daughter isotope and the one assayed in radiometric dating.
In order to calculate the age of the rock, geologists follow this procedure:

  1. Measure the ratio of isotopes in the rock.
  2. Observe the rate of radioactive decay from the mother to the daughter isotope.
  3. Calculate the time required for the mother isotope to produce all the observed daughter isotope, according to this formula:

where:

  • t is the age of the specimen;
  • D and P are the numbers of daughter and parent isotope today;
  • λ is the decay constant for the parent atom.
The decay constant has dimensions of reciprocal seconds. In the special case in which parent and daughter atoms are present in equal quantities, the age of the specimen is the half-life of the parent isotope:
[SUP][1][/SUP]
Half-life (t1/2) is the amount of time required for one-half of the nuclei in a radioactive sample to decay into another kind of nucleus. [SUP][2][/SUP]
[h=2]Assumptions[/h]The various isotope dating methods rely upon several assumptions. They are:

  1. Known amounts of daughter isotope (usually zero) at start.
  2. No gain or loss of parent or daughter isotopes by any means other than radioactive decay (closed system).
  3. A constant decay rate.[SUP][3][/SUP]
[h=3]Challenging the assumption of original composition[/h]The first assumption, that the amount of the daughter isotope in the original rock is known, is the weakest assumption. For example, K-Ar dating assumes that there was no argon in the original rock. But if there was argon in the rock when it originally formed, then the age calculated will be millions of years too high.
To understand this, recall the above formula. The greater the amount of daughter isotope, the greater the apparent age.
The proportion of argon to radioactive potassium in the sample today is observable, and the decay constant of potassium is readily calculable by measuring the amount of argon produced from the decay of [SUP]40[/SUP]K after a specified time. But the age of the rock and the proportion of argon to radio-potassium in the sample originally are not observable. As any first-year student of algebra soon learns, a single equation with two unknown variables cannot be solved. In fact, the above formula is far too simple, because it assumes that the amount of daughter isotope was zero at start. The formula below is a proper model that admits the possibility that some daughter isotope was present when the rock formed:

where D[SUB]0[/SUB] is the amount of daughter isotope present at start. In order to simplify the formula, scientists generally assume that igneous rock contains no argon when it forms, because the argon, being a noble gas, would escape from the cooling lava.
This assumption has been repeatedly falsified. Fresh volcanic rock is routinely found to have argon in it when it first cools.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] In these cases, lava of a known age of no more than several thousand years (and in one case, no more than ten years) had argon in it when it formed, so that the rock was calculated by K-Ar dating to be millions of years old, even though it was known to be only thousands of years old.
[h=3]"Calibration" and disregarding "Out of Place Fossils"[/h]Numerous fossils have been found in strata inconsistent with the evolutionary model of Earth's history.[SUP][6][/SUP] These out of place fossils would seem to pose a problem for radiometric dating methods which are still calibrated based on the position of fossils (relative dates) in the geologic column. However, these fossils are not problematic if one simply disregards their existence.
If the date generated by isotope dating analysis agrees with the conventional interpretation of the geological column, paleontologists will accept it as valid. A date that disagrees with that interpretation is dismissed as an anomaly. This is not an example of malfeasance, but rather the result of assuming that the theory of evolution has been proved reliable, and therefore these seeming anomalies are due to contamination or other causes of analytical error. These out of place fossils or rocks are not considered a reason to question the theory. This makes independent testing of these dating methods impossible, since published discrepant dates are rare.[SUP][7][/SUP]
[h=2]Types of Radiometric Dating[/h]
  • Carbon-14 dating: Uses the ratio of [SUP]14[/SUP]C to [SUP]12[/SUP]C to determine the age of biological remains. Contrary to popular belief, Carbon-14 dating gives solid evidence for a young Earth.[SUP][8][/SUP]
  • Helium diffusion: This dating method, developed by creationists, is based on the rate of Helium diffusion from zircons, which gives many rocks a maximum age of 6,000 +/- 2,000 years.[SUP][9][/SUP]
  • Uranium-Lead dating
  • Potassium-argon dating: K-Ar dating was used for a long time despite being challenged by creationists for its faulty assumptions and data. It is no longer defended as reliable, even by uniformitarian geologists, because it is entirely dependent on the assumption that igneous rocks never have any argon when they initially cool, and that assumption has been repeatedly demonstrated to be false as igneous rock of known age has been "dating" to ages far older than its actual age, because there was Argon in it when it formed.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP]
  • Concordia dating: Concordia dating rests on the same assumptions as K-Ar, namely that there was none of the daughter isotope (in this case Lead) in the sample when it originally cooled. Like the assumption in K-Ar, however, this assumption is also unfalsifiable, making this method equally unreliable.[SUP][10][/SUP]
  • Isochron dating: Isochron dating was introduced as an attempted substitute for K-Ar dating, after K-Ar's faulty assumptions were exposed. However, isochron dating bears faulty assumptions of its own. It assumes the homogeneity of the sample when it originally formed, an assumption which is always false in whole rocks, and unfalsifiable in minerals.[SUP][11][/SUP]
[h=2]Problems[/h]Main Page: Radiometric dating problems Creationists have responded to this challenge in varying ways and cited numerous problems with radiometric dating. Creationists admit that there is significant evidence of daughter isotopes well in excess of what could be generated by decay at contemporary observed rates within the timescale they contend to be true.
Some have proposed that the errors could be attributable to excess original daughter isotopes (though isochron dating methods minimize this) and accelerated decay caused by external phenomena. While astronomers have found that magnetars emit radiation that could cause bouts of accelerated decay, and that these bouts may be more common than originally thought, the amount of heat produced by the radiation during the short period presents a problem for creationists.
A more common approach is to allow for accelerated nuclear decay during the early portion of terrestrial history, when those elements which decay naturally were buried far below the crust (or far below the waters of the global flood, in some models), therefore dealing with the heat problem. One possibility for the accelerated decay comes with the possibility of variable speed of light. Other theories simply hypothesize that during certain periods of time God sped up the process; these are called singularities in creation science.
In addition to the above methods of dealing with this challenge, creationists have contended a whole raft of problems with both the older and newer methods of radiometric dating. They cite several examples of discordant dates when multiple methods are tried on the same rock, many anecdotes of dating techniques giving obviously wrong data (including some where rock formed after 1900 was dated as being over 3 million years, such as at Mt. Ngauruhoe[SUP][12][/SUP] and Mt. St. Helens.[SUP][4][/SUP] John Woodmorappe claims that discrepancy in data is prevalent, and accuses scientists of throwing out most of the inaccurate results, giving the illusion of accuracy. He also indicates how mixed families of rock can give anomalous isochron readings, some of which would indicate a negative age for certain rocks. His book, The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods, documents approximately 200 quotes by secular geologists indicating problems with the various dating methods.

Radiometric dating - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science
 
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My comment


Most fossils that have been discovered were all life forms on the earth before the appearance of human kind created in God's image about 6000 years ago

So there is no question about the agings .... some perhaps billions of years old

How long has it been since the Lord created what is today as the present universe?

No one knows

The science of men that they bill as evolution is a pipe dream and has no moorings, no anchoring, and a pseudo-science that draws many false conclusions from the artifacts discovered

And the motives of this sort of display of human pride has not only become self deceiving, but has spread the same to the godless and biblically illiterate masses of lost humanity
 
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alot of hatred in this room.

You have the so called scientists. which base their belief on theory, and hating on anyone who disagrees with them

and the people who really want to discuss things.