What scripture was Timothy referring to?

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His hebrew name was Yeshua and I think his disciples most likely referred to him this way and they too were Jewish, but no I refer to him as Jesus of Nazareth the Christ. You have either misunderstood me or are using pantheistic incorrectly. "pantheism is worship that tolerates all gods" I love all mankind no matter their beliefs, their ethnicity, color, handicap or their gender or lack of gender. I worship one and only GOD. The Christian Holy bible was written in Hebrew by the Jewish faith, GOD the Creator (you might find this more palatable as you seem uncomfortable with the GOD of Abraham; and no I am not Jewish or Muslim) However Genesis in the Christian scripture states GOD picked Abraham to make a might nation through which the Savior of mankind would be born... GOD also said Ishmael would be a mighty nation in Genesis. One GOD not pantheistic in any way.
To the bolded....

Actually.....the O.T. was written in HEBREW to the JEWS with some Chaldean in Daniel and the N.T. was written in Koine Greek with some Aramaic in the words of Jesus and the O.T. was also translated into Greek and was called the Septuagint 3rd century B.C.
 

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I believe Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah and the Son of GOD. I believe Jesus came from Heaven and had to live in the flesh, a sin free life among humans because Satan fell from grace and disobeyed GOD when he was with mankind. Unfortunately when Satan fell he took 100% of mankind with him which is why Jesus had to save mankind from Satan. I believe Jesus perfect sacrifice allowed mankind the choice of being cleansed of the sin that Satan brought into the world; sin that separated our breath of GOD (souls) from GOD. I believe The Holy Spirit is a gift of a piece of GOD himself as stated in
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me,
and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
The Spirit of GOD is the Creator; but every living person on earth or that has ever been on the earth has the breath of GOD or they would not have life.
Without Jesus saving us from the sin that Satan brought into the world we would never be able to be gifted with the Holy Spirit of GOD. I know that many Christian faiths feel comfortable, in the thoughts that Jesus is GOD and if that's what the Holy Spirit has shown them I would never say they were wrong. I however have always found the "Holy Trinity" to be ambiguous and that scripture is just as supportive of Jesus being his son his creation his joy; not himself. So I look at it like this... When a parent in the world of mankind has a child that is a joy and the very essence of their parents heart everyone says "he is his father through and through" They don't mean that he is actually his father, they are separate people but he certainly embodies his father. I hope I've answered your question and even further I hope what the Holy Spirit has shown me does not offend you or your faith.
I'm very sorry to read this.

There aren't many tenets of Christianity that are mandatory, that Born Again Children of God MUST believe.
I for one, do not think a person is a Christian if they do not believe Jesus is God in the Flesh. There may be some baby Christians that are initially confused on this subject that eventually do come to this Truth. I hope you are one of them

I felt that you were hinting that you did not believe. Thank you for your honesty in confirming it.
 

PennEd

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Weird how the same theme seems to run for a while. This is the second new person, and at least the second thread in as many days, that attacks the completed canon of the Bible.

I can't remember the last time this was even discussed. Now 2?
 
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I'm very sorry to read this.

There aren't many tenets of Christianity that are mandatory, that Born Again Children of God MUST believe.
I for one, do not think a person is a Christian if they do not believe Jesus is God in the Flesh. There may be some baby Christians that are initially confused on this subject that eventually do come to this Truth. I hope you are one of them

I felt that you were hinting that you did not believe. Thank you for your honesty in confirming it.
Amen.....the deity of Christ is one such belief..........Jesus was clear....so is Hebrews.....He is the PHYSICAL ICON of the invisible Heavenly Father...........the perfect go between between God and man....ALL GOD....ALL MAN.......
 
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Weird how the same theme seems to run for a while. This is the new person, and at least the second thread in as many days, that attacks the completed canon of the Bible.

I can't remember the last time this was even discussed. Now 2?
Hath God said..........began in the garden and will continue until the day Satan is banished to the proverbial lake of fire with all his minions.....
 

JaumeJ

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Yahweh is the closest part of speaech to a gerund in Engish. It is taken from the Hebrew verb, haya, which is very similar to our infinitive, to be, however when Yahweh uses it , it becomes an active verb meaning He Is on His own accord. He Is Who He Is.

This is quite befitting the Maaker and Origin of all that is.

I have been taught by Jesus, Yeshua, that faith called "the faith of Abraham." Now just Who you believe this reference is may differ from one to another.

Most think it is the faith like that of Abram before he was renamed Abraham, however when we examin what Abraham translates as into English we fin it is th e Honored Father of Peoples (nations or a multitude.) This is Yahweh.

As for the name of Jesus, all the renditions are traced back to Yeshua, though they are but transliterations. When we say Jesus knowing it means the Savior of God(Yah) or Yahweh's Salvation this is the true understanding of His name. Otherwise people would not understand whyu an Angel of Adoneinu would say to Meriam, call Him Jesus for He shall save His people! Without knowing what Jesus means, this istotal gibberish, but it is not.

If you wish you may relate bak to Yeshi, father of David. Yeshi (Jesse) means my Redeemer, and dhis sone's name means Beloved, that is David. There ismuch prphecy and knowledge to be had by all who give credence to our true forefathers and very little if any to those who say they believe but dislike thier tru heritage. All blessings in Yeshua...…….the Redeemer o Yah, amen.
 
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Ummmmm.....He is also the God of Isaac and Jacob.......I would necessarily agree with the bolded.......the MUSLIM believe that their false god "Allah" is the god of Abraham and he is not.....and the Hindu faith has like 50,000 gods and they may view and tie the Abrahamic "god" to just another deity or view him from the Islamic perspective..........I have heard the old argument that ALLAH is just a generic name for GOD and I do no't buy this either....the Islamic god is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and or Jacob........

NOW.....if you want to distinguish IMO.....I would reference JESUS or Yeshua rather than the Abrahamic GOD....or say specifically the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.........
I'm going to go to Genesis now as you know this was an account of Moses given by GOD and Moses was born Jewish and raised Egyptian
Genesis 16:7 The angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from and where are you going?” She said, “I am fleeing from my mistress Sarai.” 9 The angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel of the Lordalso said to her, “I will surely multiply your offspring so that they cannot be numbered for multitude.” 11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,
“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,[c]
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”
13 So she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God of seeing,”[d] for she said, “Truly here I have seen him who looks after me.”[e]
I ask you this how did the writer of Genesis know that Ishmael's descendants offspring would be multiplied so much they could not be numbered
Genesis 21:9 But Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, laughing.[b] 10 So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.” 11 And the thing was very displeasing to Abraham on account of his son. 12 But God said to Abraham, “Be not displeased because of the boy and because of your slave woman. Whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your offspring be named. 13 And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring.”
Genesis 25:23 And the Lord said to her,
“Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you[c] shall be divided;
the one shall be stronger than the other,
the older shall serve the younger.”
Genesis 28:8 So when Esau saw that the Canaanite women did not please Isaac his father, 9 Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, the sister of Nebaioth.
other than these particular scriptures not much was ever known about nation that GOD promised Ishmael until Muslims, making these scriptures somewhat prophetic. If you chose to call people who GOD promised to make a nation and did worshippers of a false GOD that's your choice; I on the other hand think GOD has his plans for all his people.
 
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Hath God said..........began in the garden and will continue until the day Satan is banished to the proverbial lake of fire with all his minions.....
I would never attack GOD's word, The Holy Spirit would not allow me to do that, my apologies if I have offended you in any way that was never my intent.
 
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I'm going to go to Genesis now as you know this was an account of Moses given by GOD and Moses was born Jewish and raised Egyptian
Genesis 16:7 The angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from and where are you going?” She said, “I am fleeing from my mistress Sarai.” 9 The angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel of the Lordalso said to her, “I will surely multiply your offspring so that they cannot be numbered for multitude.” 11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,
“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,[c]
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”
13 So she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God of seeing,”[d] for she said, “Truly here I have seen him who looks after me.”[e]
I ask you this how did the writer of Genesis know that Ishmael's descendants offspring would be multiplied so much they could not be numbered
Genesis 21:9 But Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, laughing.[b] 10 So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.” 11 And the thing was very displeasing to Abraham on account of his son. 12 But God said to Abraham, “Be not displeased because of the boy and because of your slave woman. Whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your offspring be named. 13 And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring.”
Genesis 25:23 And the Lord said to her,
“Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you[c] shall be divided;
the one shall be stronger than the other,
the older shall serve the younger.”
Genesis 28:8 So when Esau saw that the Canaanite women did not please Isaac his father, 9 Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, the sister of Nebaioth.
other than these particular scriptures not much was ever known about nation that GOD promised Ishmael until Muslims, making these scriptures somewhat prophetic. If you chose to call people who GOD promised to make a nation and did worshippers of a false GOD that's your choice; I on the other hand think GOD has his plans for all his people.
So what.....Ishmael was cast OUT and the Arabs come from ISHMAEL and ALLAH is a Muslim false god.....and his plan is found in Galatians.......called ALLEGORY between ISHMAEL and ISAAC

If you choose to call a false god a real GOD......it proves two things...

No contextual honesty
No historical integrity
 
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I would never attack GOD's word, The Holy Spirit would not allow me to do that, my apologies if I have offended you in any way that was never my intent.
Skewing it is attacking it.......and I have engaged you with dialogue and honesty......your last post proves that you are lacking scriptural, historical and contextual honesty......or ignorance <----not a bad word, just means you do not know
 

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Blessings and peace on your journey here Pom! I am lifting you up in prayer as I do all of cc!💖💖💖
 
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So what.....Ishmael was cast OUT and the Arabs come from ISHMAEL and ALLAH is a Muslim false god.....and his plan is found in Galatians.......called ALLEGORY between ISHMAEL and ISAAC

If you choose to call a false god a real GOD......it proves two things...

No contextual honesty
No historical integrity
Thank you for your imput and GOD bless
 
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I'm very sorry to read this.

There aren't many tenets of Christianity that are mandatory, that Born Again Children of God MUST believe.
I for one, do not think a person is a Christian if they do not believe Jesus is God in the Flesh. There may be some baby Christians that are initially confused on this subject that eventually do come to this Truth. I hope you are one of them

I felt that you were hinting that you did not believe. Thank you for your honesty in confirming it.
My only church is the Body of Christ, I believe as Jesus did that religion and man made rules of religion burden and separate the children of GOD. I follow the 10 Commandments the only scripture actually written by the finger of GOD I hope you do to. The first 4 say love GOD with all your heart soul mind and body, the next 6 are liken to it in that they say love all mankind as you love yourself. Do you love me PennEd?
 
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I believe Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah and the Son of GOD. I believe Jesus came from Heaven and had to live in the flesh, a sin free life among humans because Satan fell from grace and disobeyed GOD when he was with mankind. Unfortunately when Satan fell he took 100% of mankind with him which is why Jesus had to save mankind from Satan. I believe Jesus perfect sacrifice allowed mankind the choice of being cleansed of the sin that Satan brought into the world; sin that separated our breath of GOD (souls) from GOD. I believe The Holy Spirit is a gift of a piece of GOD himself as stated in
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me,
and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
The Spirit of GOD is the Creator; but every living person on earth or that has ever been on the earth has the breath of GOD or they would not have life.
Without Jesus saving us from the sin that Satan brought into the world we would never be able to be gifted with the Holy Spirit of GOD. I know that many Christian faiths feel comfortable, in the thoughts that Jesus is GOD and if that's what the Holy Spirit has shown them I would never say they were wrong. I however have always found the "Holy Trinity" to be ambiguous and that scripture is just as supportive of Jesus being his son his creation his joy; not himself. So I look at it like this... When a parent in the world of mankind has a child that is a joy and the very essence of their parents heart everyone says "he is his father through and through" They don't mean that he is actually his father, they are separate people but he certainly embodies his father. I hope I've answered your question and even further I hope what the Holy Spirit has shown me does not offend you or your faith.

Satan is not of mankind. Not created from the dust of the field as a beast .He is a lying spirit without form .He did not fall from grace .Grace is not dispensed to those kind angels. (messengers)
 

PennEd

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My only church is the Body of Christ, I believe as Jesus did that religion and man made rules of religion burden and separate the children of GOD. I follow the 10 Commandments the only scripture actually written by the finger of GOD I hope you do to. The first 4 say love GOD with all your heart soul mind and body, the next 6 are liken to it in that they say love all mankind as you love yourself. Do you love me PennEd?
I absolutely, unreservedly do!


But that doesn't change that if you have THE Gospel unto Salvation wrong, nothing else matters. And BIG part of THE Gospel is that God became flesh in the form of His Son Jesus Christ. Not ONLY that He begat a Son, but that He and His Son were the same.
 
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Satan is not of mankind. Not created from the dust of the field as a beast .He is a lying spirit without form .He did not fall from grace .Grace is not dispensed to those kind angels. (messengers)
Do you think GOD created Satan?
 

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2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
QUESTION: Is Timothy talking here about: just the Jewish scriptures, the 66 canonical books of the Holy Bible or all scriptures concerning the Abrahamic GOD? looking forward to feedback.
Back to your original post. When I was digging, a while back, as to the veracity and historicity of the Scriptures we have today, I discovered that many respected scholars have addressed this issue.

Though I cannot remember the source, the consensus was 80% of NT quotes from the OT were from the Greek version of Scripture in use at the time of Jesus. The NT used the OT Scriptures to illustrate God’s Love, patience, justice and grace, but they did it with a clearer understanding that was taught directly by Jesus. The Jews were chosen by God to share their knowledge and relationship with Him, so that the “whole world” could be reconciled to Him.

It was and is about God first and foremost.
 

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Do you think GOD created Satan?
God created Lucifer (one of the highest angels if not the highest), who then became God's Adversary -- Satan -- who wanted to be worshiped as God.
 
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God created Lucifer (one of the highest angels if not the highest), who then became God's Adversary -- Satan -- who wanted to be worshiped as God.
So you agree GOD created Satan. So when he created him as an angel was Satan good until evil was found in him (meaning he fell from grace)? Or did GOD create Satan (that's not his name simply a description) to be evil?
Lucifer= bright morning star only used in the KJV of the Christian Bible
Satan= adversary
Devil= liar