What was the message that Elijah the tishbite was sent to deliver to the people?

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So according to you there are two different kingdoms, that of God, and that of heaven?
Put simply, before all of Creation, HE is GOD.

GOD does not reside in any heavens world.
 
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So according to your perspective we're not born again until our bodies are transfigured?
Man is a Spirit Being. Being born of water was being born of a woman.
Being born of the Spirit is putting on your immortal celestial body and that is done by the Spirit of truth.

For the Spirit quickeneth.
 

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Put simply, before all of Creation, HE is GOD.

GOD does not reside in any heavens world.
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
 
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Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Heaven is not HIS place of residence. Where did HE reside before HE started creation?
 

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Man is a Spirit Being. Being born of water was being born of a woman.
Being born of the Spirit is putting on your immortal celestial body and that is done by the Spirit of truth.

For the Spirit quickeneth.
All men and women are carnal beings. Some are hoping to be adopted into the Lords Spiritual realm (Romans 8).
 
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All men and women are carnal beings. Some are hoping to be adopted into the Lords Spiritual realm (Romans 8).
No, all residents of this earth are mortal. While the residents of Heaven are immortal. Children of the kingdom are not add options, they are citizens by birth.
 

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Heaven is not HIS place of residence. Where did HE reside before HE started creation?
You are asking me where was God prior to the singularity? How should I know?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
 
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You are asking me where was God prior to the singularity? How should I know?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
My point. HE did not reside in any heavens world. GOD is self-dependent, self-sufficient, all sufficient, without beginning or end.
HE does not need a heavens world to reside in. The Heavens worlds are for Mankind, the cherubim and the Seraphim, and the Arch Angels and the Angels, and the Ministering Spirits, and the citizens of the Mansions.
 

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No, all residents of this earth are mortal. While the residents of Heaven are immortal. Children of the kingdom are not add options, they are citizens by birth.
Stating all residents on earth are mortal, is another way of stating they are carnal entities.
 

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My point. HE did not reside in any heavens world. GOD is self-dependent, self-sufficient, all sufficient, without beginning or end.
HE does not need a heavens world to reside in. The Heavens worlds are for Mankind, the cherubim and the Seraphim, and the Arch Angels and the Angels, and the Ministering Spirits, and the citizens of the Mansions.
The heavens will get old, and the Lord will roll up the universe like a scroll (Revelation 6:14).
 
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The heavens will get old, and the Lord will roll up the universe like a scroll (Revelation 6:14).
The heavens do not age. What was referred to here is what we call space. Space, or the firmament was called the 2nd heaven. The new earth or New salem is the first heaven. Both the current earth, and the firmament will pack up for the celestial to take over.
 

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The heavens do not age. What was referred to here is what we call space. Space, or the firmament was called the 2nd heaven. The new earth or New salem is the first heaven. Both the current earth, and the firmament will pack up for the celestial to take over.
Even cosmologists see the universe contracting back in on itself as one of their two main theories. The second is that the universe will continue to expand into infinity.
 
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Even cosmologists see the universe contracting back in on itself as one of their two main theories. The second is that the universe will continue to expand into infinity.
Well there is no darkness/night time in heaven. It must be obvious if cosmologists can see that.
 

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This is what you think his message was? This is why he lived forever? Are you serious? Was Elijah's message an opinion? We need to look deeper into this.

How come Jude was the only who spoke of Enoch as a Prophet, who Prophesied. How come Jude was the only one who spoke of Moses not being buried? There was a message Elijah brought to the people that the people rejected.
No, You need to look deeper if God has shown you something that is for you.
Please remember the people were between to opinions of two Gods. 1. The Lord God and 2. Baal.
Only the Lord God can give eternal life and Elijah was telling the people to choose death or life because Elijah knew the god of Baal did not exist.

That is why he made the challenge " the God who answers by fire let Him be God. Baal did not even show up.

As far as Jude, If you read it you will see some very key points that most overlook when reading Jude because they can't get past angels.

let's start at verse 3:


Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you.

It would appear Jude has a concern of false teachers or writings from long ago that some have been interjected to these Christians Wrongly I might add.

They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

This is a very serious point Jude is making here also as the Brother of James you may want to read James Parelell with Jude.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwellingthese he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Clearly, Jude is speaking against the teaching or writing that has crept into the church there and addressing what seems to be a denial of actual Judgement. Jude is causing them to remember God not only judge man but the angels too which have been bound once they left their positions of authority.

Please read on but I want to pick it up at verse 11 now,

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

We have to ask three questions here that need to be answered: 1. what is the way of Cain? 2. What was Balaam's error and 3. what is Korah's rebellion?



  1. way of Cain= the way of Cain must include the disobedience of unbelief. God told Cain before he murdered his brother Able,
"sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.

Did Cain listen to God?


2. Balaams error= they are many Balaam loved the wages of wickedness, and he knew God and how he would respond to sexual sin and helped Balak to defeat the Israelis by using ungodly women and idols worship to Offend God. (ref. Numbers 25:1)


3. Korah's rebellion= He raised up a rebellion against God leaders's. challenging the leadership, challenging the divine appointment of Moses and Aaron. The sin of pride, the sin of jealousy, the sin of selfish ambition



Jude has really addressed some major issue that is happening in the CHURCH! just like Elijah too addressed the people of God and the false god Baal

Jude was saying those who have slipped in are doing the following and bring into the church

1. disobedience of unbelief.
2. sexual sin
3. rebellion against the leadership, and jealousy and pride


in Verse 14 Jude uses the writing of Enoch which is being used to divide the church to make the following point in the three areas I listed now see what Jude says:

"14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage."


the way of Cain:
Balaam's error;
Korah Rebellion :


This was the issue of the church! Jude was speaking about


Finally:

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you,In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

it seems those here were using something to divide the church what could it have been? something that appeared to be the word of God even prophesied as did Balaam and spoke some truth as did Balaam yet were using the knowledge they had of God to defeat the people of God.


in closing:

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
 
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No, You need to look deeper if God has shown you something that is for you.
Please remember the people were between to opinions of two Gods. 1. The Lord God and 2. Baal.
Only the Lord God can give eternal life and Elijah was telling the people to choose death or life because Elijah knew the god of Baal did not exist.


That is why he made the challenge " the God who answers by fire let Him be God. Baal did not even show up.

As far as Jude, If you read it you will see some very key points that most overlook when reading Jude because they can't get past angels.

let's start at verse 3:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you.

It would appear Jude has a concern of false teachers or writings from long ago that some have been interjected to these Christians Wrongly I might add.

They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

This is a very serious point Jude is making here also as the Brother of James you may want to read James Parelell with Jude.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwellingthese he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Clearly, Jude is speaking against the teaching or writing that has crept into the church there and addressing what seems to be a denial of actual Judgement. Jude is causing them to remember God not only judge man but the angels too which have been bound once they left their positions of authority.

Please read on but I want to pick it up at verse 11 now,

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

We have to ask three questions here that need to be answered: 1. what is the way of Cain? 2. What was Balaam's error and 3. what is Korah's rebellion?



  1. way of Cain= the way of Cain must include the disobedience of unbelief. God told Cain before he murdered his brother Able,
"sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.

Did Cain listen to God?


2. Balaams error= they are many Balaam loved the wages of wickedness, and he knew God and how he would respond to sexual sin and helped Balak to defeat the Israelis by using ungodly women and idols worship to Offend God. (ref. Numbers 25:1)


3. Korah's rebellion= He raised up a rebellion against God leaders's. challenging the leadership, challenging the divine appointment of Moses and Aaron. The sin of pride, the sin of jealousy, the sin of selfish ambition



Jude has really addressed some major issue that is happening in the CHURCH! just like Elijah too addressed the people of God and the false god Baal

Jude was saying those who have slipped in are doing the following and bring into the church

1. disobedience of unbelief.
2. sexual sin
3. rebellion against the leadership, and jealousy and pride


in Verse 14 Jude uses the writing of Enoch which is being used to divide the church to make the following point in the three areas I listed now see what Jude says:

"14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage."


the way of Cain:
Balaam's error;
Korah Rebellion :


This was the issue of the church! Jude was speaking about


Finally:

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you,In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

it seems those here were using something to divide the church what could it have been? something that appeared to be the word of God even prophesied as did Balaam and spoke some truth as did Balaam yet were using the knowledge they had of God to defeat the people of God.


in closing:

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

All of this is true. But what message did he preach to Elisha while Elisha was following him? This is where i said the people rejected his message, because only Elisha followed him. No one else did.
 

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All of this is true. But what message did he preach to Elisha while Elisha was following him? This is where i said the people rejected his message, because only Elisha followed him. No one else did.

that funny you say only Elisha followed him because was Elisha the only one there when He went Up or was he the guy who caught the Manel?

Did not God say to Elijah YOU are NOT the Only ONE I have 450 Prophets who have not BOWED to the god of Baal!

You are incorrect many did.
 

Magenta

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Elijah was not like other Prophets. He was greater than all of them.
Jesus said differently.

Luke 7:28 "I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater
than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."


Matthew 11:9-11 "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: "'I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.' Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
 
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that funny you say only Elisha followed him because was Elisha the only one there when He went Up or was he the guy who caught the Manel?

Did not God say to Elijah YOU are NOT the Only ONE I have 450 Prophets who have not BOWED to the god of Baal!

You are incorrect many did.
The journey Elijah took was the path to life. The only one that followed him to Jordan and across is elisha. I mention this because you and others cannot tell me his message. He transfigured in life. His messages were on tranfiguration. Yet there are none, because the people rejected them

The reason why Jude is the only one to talk of Moses body, and to talk of Enoch as a Prophet, is because there was teachings from Elijah documented. And that is what they had. Furthermore, even the people that listened to Jesus His Pre-Eminence, did not get HIS message.
And now I will ask you. What is the Gospel that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached?
 
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Jesus said differently.

Luke 7:28 "I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater
than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."


Matthew 11:9-11 "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: "'I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.' Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
John the Baptist is an Elijah.
John the Baptist did not fulfil Malachi.