What will we eat in Heaven - according to scripture?

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posthuman

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Jesus Christ after the resurrection had a glorified body of flesh and bone, Jesus was the "First Fruit" of the resurrection.

This body wasn't bound by the physical world, as it appeared while the doors were closed, and vanished out of sight, this body ate fish and honeycomb.
i've had a few classes on quantum mechanics. i daresay more than the average person on the forum. i didn't do graduate school physics, but i did take almost every available undergraduate course. one thing i found very interesting, that i learned, is that owing to the probabilistic wave-nature of the created universe, 'physical laws' are not broken by His appearing in the midst of them in the room. there aren't zero-probability states of mass/energy in time; there are cosmically unlikely ones. you could think of it as flipping a coin -- heads or tails are not the only outcomes. even a thin dine has a definite, non-zero likelihood of landing on it's edge. the odds of some things happening are on the scale of flip 100 trillion coins a second, every second, for a billion, trillion, trillion years before they are likely to take place - but they aren't strictly 'impossible' for example - your body is 99.999% empty space. so is the floor you are standing on. there is a ridiculous amount of space ((relatively)) between every proton and electron in every atom that makes up both - like a basketball and, a mile away, a BB. it's physically possible, but unthinkably unlikely, that you fall through the floor right now. there's plenty of room; and there are analogous situations to this for all the more complex energy field dynamics you might imagine, too.

when i understood this, i thought, by His miracles He was not demonstrating that He breaks the laws of physics. He demonstrates that the creation obeys Him. because it is His :)

you should remember, that before He was resurrected, He walked through crowds of men actively trying to grab Him. He walked right through them like they were vapor. the appearance in the upper room is not a 'new' kind of thing He did while He visited us -
 

WithinReason

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Jesus Christ after the resurrection had a glorified body of flesh and bone, Jesus was the "First Fruit" of the resurrection.
Yes. True.

This body wasn't bound by the physical world, as it appeared while the doors were closed, and vanished out of sight, this body ate fish and honeycomb.
Incorrect. That position is a misunderstanding of the text itself, and leads to spiritualism. Jesus did not phase through a door, or merely poof into existence upon the spot. Jesus, being raised in a glorified body of "flesh and bones" is not aethereal in any way.

Consider the texts:

Jesus' own body in His resurrection is a real glorified body, in which He participated in eating, speaking, touching, etc., and is the very same body that he ascended up into Heaven with, not faded into the aether nor dematerialized into vaporous nothing.

The “stone” [Matthew 28:2; Mark 16:3,4; Luke 24:2; John 20:1 KJB] upon the tomb had to be rolled back by Gabriel, to let Jesus free. Jesus did not phase through it, He got up and walked out of the opening [Matthew 28:1-7; Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24;1-9; John 20:1-13 KJB]. Additionally, in Jesus' death there was an earthquake [Matthew 27:51 KJB] which “opened” [Matthew 27:52 KJB] many of the tombs of the martyred saints around Jerusalem, so that those martyred saints therein, could come “out” [Matthew 27:53 KJB] in their resurrection when Jesus was resurrected [1 Corinthians 15:20,23 KJB]. They did not phase through them either.

The disciples were able to hold onto Jesus' glorified flesh, when they held Him by the feet [Matthew 28:9; John 20:17 KJB], and He drew near to two on the road to Emmaus, and walked and talked with them [Mark 16:12; Luke 24:15 KJB], and entered their house, sat down and broke bread with them [Luke 24:30,35 KJB]. Jesus verily “vanished out of their sight” [Luke 24:32 KJB], but please notice, it does not say he *poofed* into nothing. To “vanish out of … sight” is simply to be “invisible”, not incorporeal, as a mythological and paganistic 'shade'. They got up and left to go back to Jerusalem, and Jesus was with them the whole time, unseen. Jesus did not phase through a wall, nor a locked door, that first day [John 20:19 KJB], nor a week later [John 20:26 KJB]. He simply entered with them [Luke 24:32-36 KJB], and was “invisible” until He revealed Himself, even as He had been with the two earlier on the road to Emmaus and they did not recognize Him, until He showed Himself to them at their house.

Jesus asks them to “handle” [Luke 24:38; Ephesians 5:30 KJB] Him, having “flesh and bones”, “hands and feet” [Luke 24:39,40 KJB], and He eats with the disciples [Luke 24:41-43 KJB]. Jesus even asks Thomas to put his finger and hand into the very wounds that Jesus still had [John 20:27 KJB]. He also shewed Himself at the sea of Tiberias [John 21:1-25 KJB], and also Jesus later ascends [Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; John 20:17; Acts 1:2-11; Ephesians 4:8-10; Revelation 12:5; Psalms 24:1-10 KJB] into Heaven with the “same” [Acts 1:11 KJB] glorified body, even the “form” [Daniel 3:25; Philippians 2:6, etc & Exodus 33:23 KJB] thereof. This same body, and all its descriptive parts, is seen in Heaven in Revelation 1:13-16, 2:1,18 KJB, having the glory He had before coming in humanity [John 17:5 KJB]. He went to “prepare a place” [John 14:2,3 KJB], a very real place, for those who believe unto the end.

That Heavenly city, having precious foundations, whose builder and make is God [Hebrews 11:10 KJB], is real and will come down from Heaven above, and is filled with all manner of beauty and creation, “cherubim and seraphim, “elders”, “creatures”, stones, gold, pearls, eternal gates. We will have “crowns”, “palms”, “harps” and “white raiment”, being able to drink from the “river of water of life”, and to eat from “the tree of life” in the middle of the garden of the Heavenly Eden. There is the true Temple and true Ark of God, and His Ten Commandments. The Father Himself [and Son] rules from a very real “throne”, and a description of Him may be seen in Daniel 7:9; Matthew 10:18; Revelation 4, etc KJB.

Satan has attempted to etherealize and vaporize the reward of God and Heaven into non-things, gaseous clouds of non-entity, incorporeal vanity, and he has highly succeeded in this, but only because God's people reject knowledge sent from God [Hosea 4:6 KJB].

Heaven Is It For Real?, page 8 by Joe Crews
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“It is shocking how many weak and twisted concepts of heaven people have accepted. Most folks think of it as some far off ethereal place—and that is about all the average man knows about heaven. He believes it is “up there” somewhere. Yes, it is “up there,” and we can agree with him that far ...”
 

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Jesus Christ after the resurrection had a glorified body of flesh and bone, Jesus was the "First Fruit" of the resurrection.

This body wasn't bound by the physical world, as it appeared while the doors were closed, and vanished out of sight, this body ate fish and honeycomb.
I love all seafood, especially fish. Had some Mahi Mahi a couple weeks ago with fresh cooked spinach and fried potatoes. I use honey on my fried chicken, preferably from Popeye's.
 

WithinReason

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you should remember, that before He was resurrected, He walked through crowds of men actively trying to grab Him. He walked right through them like they were vapor. the appearance in the upper room is not a 'new' kind of thing He did while He visited us.
No, Jesus did not walk "through crowds of men ... like they were vapor". You misunderstood the text in it's plainness of speech. His guardian angels (Gabriel and 'Herald') were always with Him. They removed him safely from and through the crowds, blinding the eyes of those seeking to destroy him (as it was in the days of Lot), hiding Him from their sight, even as He did on so many other occasions (for unless the Lord reveals Himself and enlightens the understanding and spiritual sight, He cannot be seen nor understood by those of a carnal mind), see walking on the Road to Emmaus. There is nothing about the false theory of quantum mechanics here. The false theory of quantum mechanics relies upon the unproven apriori that things pop into and out of existence. What really happens upon those minute scales, is those things simply become undetectable by current methods. In other words "invisible" to the current methods of study. They do not 'poof' into and out of actual existence, for such an theory would assault God Himself. Think about it.
 

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“It is shocking how many weak and twisted concepts of heaven people have accepted. Most folks think of it as some far off ethereal place—and that is about all the average man knows about heaven. He believes it is “up there” somewhere. Yes, it is “up there,” and we can agree with him that far ...”
Well, it certainly isn't down there somewhere.
 

WithinReason

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I'm really thinking Pizza, Ice Cream, and Chocolate. And God will make them as healthy as broccoli and lima beans!
Well, If you desire to live in a deceptive frame of mind, you might continue to think like that, but I have chosen to actually understand what the Bible itself says and teaches, and I have chosen reality and truth.
 

WithinReason

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I have been praying and waiting but even if I am not so be it if it is God's will then I have nothing against it, at the very least it has taught me restraint
What Type Diabetes do you have?
 

WithinReason

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... from Popeye's.
Ah, yes, all who continue to eat this way, will indeed vote "Pope Yes" (popeyes) in Revelation 13 & 17, for their diet has affected their mind and decision making, as well as their body.
 

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I'm really thinking Pizza, Ice Cream, and Chocolate. And God will make them as healthy as broccoli and lima beans!
Tree of life is gonna have 12 different fruits to eat, beyond the human imagination?
 

posthuman

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The false theory of quantum mechanics relies upon the unproven apriori that things pop into and out of existence.
no, it doesn't. it rests largely on the observational fact that energy is emitted in discrete packets equal to 1 photon, and not in partial-photon quantities, and the universe has been shown to display the properties predicted by quantum theory in hundreds of experiments designed to disprove it.

the existence of transient particle-antiparticle pairs is a projected result of some attempts at a GUT reconciling established relativistic & quantum properties of creation. not a foundational aspect of quantum physics.

you sure you have a clue what you're talking about here?
 

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Ah, yes, all who continue to eat this way, will indeed vote "Pope Yes" (popeyes) in Revelation 13 & 17, for their diet has affected their mind and decision making, as well as their body.
I am surmising then that you are more of a KFC type of guy and that's alright. I prefer the original over the extra crispy but that's just me.
 

posthuman

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no, it doesn't. it rests largely on the observational fact that energy is emitted in discrete packets equal to 1 photon, and not in partial-photon quantities, and the universe has been shown to display the properties predicted by quantum theory in hundreds of experiments designed to disprove it.

the existence of transient particle-antiparticle pairs is a projected result of some attempts at a GUT reconciling established relativistic & quantum properties of creation. not a foundational aspect of quantum physics.

you sure you have a clue what you're talking about here?
@WithinReason quantum physics proves God exists.
it shows 'by the things which are made' God's invisible qualities, that the creation is not simply made of things but things which are not seen and 'past finding out' -- and that the universe does not exist unless an intelligence sees all things, especially hidden things. if quantum theory is correct, then the creation cannot exist without an 'Universal Observer' who sees and knows all things, and holds them all together. it suggests that consciousness is the fundamental - a very particular omniscient consciousness - the fundamental of the universe, not mass, and not energy.

i believe if you sought knowledge rather than decried it you would see His glory testified in what He has made, as He has said.
 

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1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

2 Corinthians 12:1-4 (KJV)
 

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no, it doesn't. it rests largely on the observational fact that energy is emitted in discrete packets equal to 1 photon, and not in partial-photon quantities, and the universe has been shown to display the properties predicted by quantum theory in hundreds of experiments designed to disprove it.

the existence of transient particle-antiparticle pairs is a projected result of some attempts at a GUT reconciling established relativistic & quantum properties of creation. not a foundational aspect of quantum physics.

you sure you have a clue what you're talking about here?
I am positive that you have a clue what you're talking about. Reading a post of yours is like a lesson in higher mathematics and physics.

All that I know about quantum mechanics is what I have seen on the old TV show Quantum Leap.

I read a novel by Michael Crichton called Timeline years ago, which was about time travel from the present to the middle ages. It delve into quantum mechanics a little bit but being uneducated in this field it was hard to ascertain the veracity of the subject matter.

The main obstacle in this type of transport was a phenomenon called 'transcription error'. Seems a device breaks a body (and all clothing) down into a digital electronic signal and then that signal is transmitted through time to the destination and then reassembled. The same process happens again on the return trip to the site of origin. The problem is that the reformulation was not exact and the atoms could not be precisely realigned. If you traveled enough times you eventually would not be able to function anymore due to being disjointed in every part of your body. You would also go insane but that's the price of progress I guess.

I am surmising that the Star Trek transporter utilized quantum mechanics too. I guess the 'transcription error' problem was resolved in a satisfactory manner.
 

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Ah, yes, all who continue to eat this way, will indeed vote "Pope Yes" (popeyes) in Revelation 13 & 17, for their diet has affected their mind and decision making, as well as their body.
just an FYI on posting comments. You can post multiple replys on a single comment. Just click on the REPLY button on mulitiple comments and it will add it to your post. By doing it this way you can comment on multiple posts in a single comment and it doesn't require so many comments.
 

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What will we eat in Heaven (also New Heaven and New Earth) - according to scripture?
We will not eat or drink for we will have a glorified body that does not need physical sustenance to survive, but is a spiritual body and will live forever along with our soul.

God breathed in to Adam the breath of life, and he became a living soul, so the soul lives on forever.

Angels do not need to eat or drink and neither do the saints.

God lives forever and does not need to eat or drink, so neither do His children.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
 

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According to John 3:3-12 no one can see the kingdom of God unless they
have been born of spirit and are no longer earthly.

"earthly things" pertains to venue. In other words: the kingdom of God,
about which Jesus spoke, will be set up on the Earth, with him as king,
sitting on David's throne and ruling the whole planet from Jerusalem

This is unfortunate for the average rank and file Jehovah's Witness because
they aren't spirit-born in this life, nor do they expect to be in the next; yet
they sincerely hope to be live in the kingdom some day. They are taught
that only folk destined for Heaven need to be spirit-born whereas people
destined for the Earth are exempt.

It is both tragic and ironic that rank and file Witnesses go door to door all
over the globe advertising a kingdom that they themselves will not be
allowed to enter.
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Webers.Home

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We will not eat or drink for we will have a glorified body that does not need
physical sustenance to survive, but is a spiritual body

Watch for the deliberate misquote in the passage below.

1Cor 15:42-44 . . So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in
corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised
up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. It is sown a
physical body, it is raised up a spirit body. If there is a physical body, there
is also a spirit body.

Catch the misquote? Well; there is no mention of a spirit body in that
passage. The actual word is "spiritual".

The Greek word translated "spiritual" is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily
refer to the characteristics of thin air. Below is a list of spiritual things that
bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the bodily chemistry of an
angel or a demon.

Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual counselors (Gal 6:1)
Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

It's apparently been decided, and chipped in stone, by a number of
theologians that the spiritual body has to be composed of spirit material
because of the passage below.

1Cor 15:50 . . This I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit
God’s kingdom,

The Greek word translated "inherit" is kleronomeo (klay-ron-om-eh'-o)
which speaks of heirs; roughly defined by Webster's as someone who is
entitled to receive something from an ancestor.

In a nutshell, the kingdom of God is not the kind of estate that natural
parents can share with their natural posterity by means of either a trust fund
or a will. People can only inherit the kingdom of God from God; and not just
from God as a supreme being, but from God as a parent, i.e. a Father.

So then; in order to be entitled to an inheritance from God, people must first
qualify as His legal kin; which of course is possible only via the spirit birth
that Jesus spoke of in John 3:3-12.

There are some other things in addition to immortality that are known about
the spiritual body.

1) The spiritual body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods and
beverages.

Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

Luke 22:28-29 . . However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in
my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a
covenant with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in
my kingdom,

2) The spiritual body is visible to the naked eye.

Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This
Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the
same way as you have watched him go into heaven.

1John 3:2 . .We shall see him just as he is.

Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see
him, even those who pierced him
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