What would we believe in regarding the Gospel of Christ if Paul's writings were not part of the Bible?

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Pilgrimshope

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How could Paul's Gospel be any different than Christ's Gospel? "My Gospel" said by Paul is meant to include all that is in the Gospel, including the "mystery" of the Church. Paul presented the fullness of the Gospel as revealed to him by Christ. But did the Lord not speak of His death, burial, and resurrection many times? And did He not say this? And [Christ] said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:46.47)

So you can go on believing your false ideas, or you can repent and accept the Gospel as revealed throughout the OT and NT.
“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

GRACE_ambassador

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op: what belief? If Paul's writings, God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" were
Not part of God's Word Of Truth?:

Part 1:

I follow the words of Jesus mostly and I have quoted pertinent and proper scripture, the commandments were not abolished, this is what I am referring to here not the law of Moses.
Precious friend, good questions, borrowed from:


( God's Context Of ) prophecy/covenant-law Scriptures, Spoken By
Christ on earth To Twelve apostles for the Twelve tribes Israel:

I have decided to Follow ( The earthly ) Jesus?

A) Do I follow Him, and the doctrine He Spoke as The:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The
Law / covenants / Prophecy:

if Paul's letters were missing, I would "have to follow All This", eh?:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luke 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 24:47)
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2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
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3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4
↑ Luke 3:3, ↑ 7:29:30, ↑ 24:47; ↑ Act 2:38↑ )​
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4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
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5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(James 1:1, 2:17,26)
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6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17):
►►► Matthew 23:1-3 Moses' Law to "the multitude
And His disciples!" ◄◄◄​
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7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)
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8) pray as a watchman, for Great Tribulation, man of sin, son of perdition,
and signs of the end times, and Second Coming?

A) Do I follow His earthly prophecy "faith plus works" program of
covenants and law? ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev )

The Body Of Christ would "Have To obey" all the above, and:

The following would All be Obliterated [ by 'haters of Paul' ]?:

to be continued...
 

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op: what belief? If Paul's writings, God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" were
Not part of God's Word Of Truth?:

Part 2:

...Precious friends?:

How is it possible for "haters of Paul" to Obliterate God's Pure Word?:

A) Do I follow His earthly prophecy "faith plus works" program of
covenants and law? ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev )

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

B) Do I follow Him As The Risen And Glorified "Head Of His Church" and ask:

I have decided to Follow ( The Heavenly ) LORD Jesus?

And, His Heavenly Pure Grace Program, According To The
Revelation Of The Mystery
? (His Doctrine in Romans - Philemon)


Of course, Under God's Other Context Of Grace for The ( Heavenly ) ONE Body
Of Christ, Which began with ( ONE apostle ) Paul, Baptized By The ONE Spirit,
as the first 'member' of the ONE New man...
(Ephesians 2:15; 1 Timothy 1:16; Romans 11:13; Ephesians 4:5;
1 Corinthians 12:13),


...it is ( as Paul states 21 x ) "But Now":

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree
With God "it is Wrong!") (Acts 20:21)
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2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The
Gospel Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ),
Burial, And Resurrection, According To The Scripture (Ephesians 2:5-9;
1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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3)
Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4;
1 Corinthians 12:13)
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4) Acknowledge Christ Is Living in me, so I allow Him to, through me:
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5) To Fulfil:


All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
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6) Study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided to show myself "Approved
Unto God" (2 Timothy 2:15), and all the rest of these Bible study rules!
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7) Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and the LORD
"shall supply all my need" (Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12;
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12; 1 Timothy 5:8)
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8) Be a humble prayer warrior and:
"...look, watch, and Patiently WAIT For..." = The LORD Jesus Christ!
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;
1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20;
Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13)
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9) Put on the FULL armour of God and stand, in the spiritual warfare
I wrestle with (Ephesians 6:10-18)
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10)
Eph 6:19 "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I
may open my mouth boldly, to make known the Mystery Of The Gospel,"
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11)
Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of The Mystery,
Which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who
Created all things By Jesus Christ"
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12) Acknowledge that I am going to give an account at Judgment
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15; Romans 14:12), at my Heavenly Home-Going
( Great GRACE Departure! )


According to these and all the details of God's Sound Doctrinal Blueprint
In Romans Through Philemon?
(1 Timothy 1:10; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9):


Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

And, of course, This would then Be UNnecessary, eh?:

C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into
Massive Confusion?

Final question would be: Which Option, Under Grace Today, should I take
To Honor and Glorify God, Who Plainly and Clear Says in Romans 11:6:


"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise
Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it
no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work.
"
------------------------------------------------------------------- Or:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise
Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it
no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work."
Conclusion: Since Paul's Letters Can Not Be Obliterated by any man,
then there is A:

HUGE Difference between "Grace In a dispensation" and

"The ( Current ) Dispensation Of The Grace Of God," eh?

Amen.

More helpful study:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?
 

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Jesus has the O.T. as His witness, His cousin John the baptist as a witness, his twelve chosen disciples who wrote and related his teachings and his spoken words, as witnesses and many more. I can pull from the bible many many verses.
Where are the witnesses of Paul can you find any in scripture?

I not forget what jesus said;

Jhn 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

I know many think all the words in the bible are equal I do not, the word of God then the son then those appointed by GOD having proper withesses such as the prophets ect... this is totally normal there is a hierarchy in the bible that cannot be denied. even the disciples of christ wanted to know between themselves which one was the greatest disciples.

Your argument is unbiblical. And is not even contextual to the very thread point.

What would we believe in regarding the Gospel of Christ if Paul's writings were not part of the Bible?


That has been answered with the word of God. FYI, Jesus speaking about John, said :

Luke 7:28-
28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”


John did not witness the resurrection of Christ Paul did. Paul's witness is said in Acts chapter 9 and 1cor chapter 15. You were shown that Paul received his teaching from Christ. You are arrogant and prideful. And unbiblical.


 

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the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth!
Yes, the entire Bible is the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. It is the inspired Word of God. God is the author of the Bible and it must be handled with care and reverence.
 

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supplemental to that is: John 8:32, 16:13, 14:26, 2nd Timothy 2:7, 15, Proverbs 30:6, John3:33.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Do you believe Paul's writings where all finished.

I often wonder about that.

Is it possible Paul's writings where a diary of thoughts he was writing down as and when he was getting them.

I also wonder if Paul was subject like any other child of God, being subject to being accused day and night by the anti Christ.
pauls writings are epistles he sent to the Churches letters he sent addressing matters they didn’t understand

For instance “ Roman’s “ is short for “ Paul the apostles epistle to the church at rome “ Galatians is “ Paul’s epistle to the church at Galatia “ Ephesians is “ Paul’s epistle to the church at Ephesus “

then you have a few personal letters of Paul written from prison to particular people , two to Timothy , one to Titus and one to Philemon. Thessalonians Colossians ect are to the churches in those places furthermore the epistles of Peter and Paul and John and James and Jude were circulated among all of the churches

“And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is one missing epistle we know about of course th re are claims but nothing really solid evidence wise as to an authentic letter to the ladoceans
 

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If we try to imagine not knowing any of Paul's writings, remove them from our memory, what would it truly change in our understanding of scripture?
Would we being following the commandments, the law as Jesus says?

Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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The same thing we believe now. God's revelation was going to be accomplished with or without Paul.
 
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pauls writings are epistles he sent to the Churches letters he sent addressing matters they didn’t understand

For instance “ Roman’s “ is short for “ Paul the apostles epistle to the church at rome “ Galatians is “ Paul’s epistle to the church at Galatia “ Ephesians is “ Paul’s epistle to the church at Ephesus “

then you have a few personal letters of Paul written from prison to particular people , two to Timothy , one to Titus and one to Philemon. Thessalonians Colossians ect are to the churches in those places furthermore the epistles of Peter and Paul and John and James and Jude were circulated among all of the churches

“And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is one missing epistle we know about of course th re are claims but nothing really solid evidence wise as to an authentic letter to the ladoceans
a lot of his teachings seem like really deep thinking, which leaves you scratching the head a bit, almost like they where rehearsed speeches.