Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.
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Thanks I have looked at those and it still seems that we should walk by faith the unseen eternal. Jesus said in regard to the cross that it as the sign of Jonas was the last sign and wonder. The wonder became sight at the cross. Jesus said it is a evil generation natural unconverted man that does seek after sign and wonders and none would be given. The spiritual meaning are hid.
I would beleive we should not to follow after wonderments as something mysterious .Like that of the catholic mystics opening their minds to the spirit world . But rather we should seek after faith as law of promise The Mark is the mark of His word .The letter of the word etched in stone ..... It kills . The unseen spirit as a law of faith as a sign brings new life giving us a new desire to walk after the Spirit of Christ. .
Cain's punishment decided by God was more that he could bear. He would becomes a restless wanderer always looking behind for death to come in retaliation for murdering his brother Abel the first martyr who offered Cain the gospel . Bring a lamb. Cain refused to beleive in a God not seen. He thought he could reason with death
And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Genesis 4
In affect he said to Cain .Mark my word I will perform that which is appointed to you "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
The mark was impressed on the forehead or will of Cain, the work of his hands increased. Rather than selling the truth of God he should of seen the value and sold all he had to buy it. .His heart remained hard all the day of His life. The sentence was carried out.
I think John on the island of Patmos knew what he was saying .Prophecy always has words the hearer can understand .
I would beleive we should not to follow after wonderments as something mysterious .Like that of the catholic mystics opening their minds to the spirit world . But rather we should seek after faith as law of promise The Mark is the mark of His word .The letter of the word etched in stone ..... It kills . The unseen spirit as a law of faith as a sign brings new life giving us a new desire to walk after the Spirit of Christ. .
Cain's punishment decided by God was more that he could bear. He would becomes a restless wanderer always looking behind for death to come in retaliation for murdering his brother Abel the first martyr who offered Cain the gospel . Bring a lamb. Cain refused to beleive in a God not seen. He thought he could reason with death
And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Genesis 4
In affect he said to Cain .Mark my word I will perform that which is appointed to you "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
The mark was impressed on the forehead or will of Cain, the work of his hands increased. Rather than selling the truth of God he should of seen the value and sold all he had to buy it. .His heart remained hard all the day of His life. The sentence was carried out.
I think John on the island of Patmos knew what he was saying .Prophecy always has words the hearer can understand .
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Yes it is on or in the skin.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Thing is, there is evidence out there that a number of animals that have been chipped have had cancers/tumors as a result, and if I recall correctly, it was the location where the chip was inserted. Now as to how and why the such a cancer/tumor happened who knows? But there are many questions that need to be asked.
Now the question to those who received the mark, how did they get those sores? Is it related to some kind of radiation exposure of such a technology? If a implant based on lithium battery, what happens if the battery explodes and the lithium travels along the blood stream?
Thing is, all the evidence points to something that is technological.
There are 2 theories that come to my mind that can relate to the buying and selling.
1 - Cashless Society fully enforced, only legalized method of currency accepted is a technological implant that allows a person to make purchases and payments, all transactions fully electronic. Such a implant would contain all information about said person, who they are and so on. Those who refuse to be implanted will be cut off, as they won't even exist. You could say such people are not part of the world in such a scenario.
2 - A mandated inoculation program of some kind, that would probably have a technological implant to identify those who have been tagged as being immunized. So if some disease outbreak that requires a person to be immunized in order to take part in society, those who refuse to be inoculated would be most likely taken away into quarantine, in which case said people will not be in a position to buy or sell being isolated from the public.
ANd I see Cashless Soceity/Mandated Immunization as 2 sides of the same coin.
Now the question to those who received the mark, how did they get those sores? Is it related to some kind of radiation exposure of such a technology? If a implant based on lithium battery, what happens if the battery explodes and the lithium travels along the blood stream?
Thing is, all the evidence points to something that is technological.
There are 2 theories that come to my mind that can relate to the buying and selling.
1 - Cashless Society fully enforced, only legalized method of currency accepted is a technological implant that allows a person to make purchases and payments, all transactions fully electronic. Such a implant would contain all information about said person, who they are and so on. Those who refuse to be implanted will be cut off, as they won't even exist. You could say such people are not part of the world in such a scenario.
2 - A mandated inoculation program of some kind, that would probably have a technological implant to identify those who have been tagged as being immunized. So if some disease outbreak that requires a person to be immunized in order to take part in society, those who refuse to be inoculated would be most likely taken away into quarantine, in which case said people will not be in a position to buy or sell being isolated from the public.
ANd I see Cashless Soceity/Mandated Immunization as 2 sides of the same coin.
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Greetings Alertandawake,
Greetings garee,
I appreciate the truth you are exposing to all to weigh themselves against. I listed my favorite Scripture verse in my profile as;
John 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
The way the Holy Spirit conveyed the import of this verse to me is best summed up like this; Here Jesus is declaring the interface between Our Heavenly Father and Himself as through the commandments/The Law. He declares that before we can experience the opening of our Spiritual eyes and ears we must first learn the commandments and then most importantly keep them. This is confirmed in many places, the most compelling confirmation being where Jesus declares in;
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Here Jesus is declaring to those who thought they were worthy, for some unscriptural reason, to be counted as brethren, but Jesus says because of “iniquity” which is the Greek word anomia, a meaning “without” and nomia meaning “the Law”, “I never knew you:” I feel I need to drive this point home so if I may put my words to clarify what I see in John 14:21 I will say that Jesus is DECLARING that the only way The Heavenly Father and Jesus will ever manifest themselves to anyone is after they both “know/learn” the commandments/Law, and “keepeth/obey” them! Is it no small wonder that the adversary has corrupted the doctrine of grace in so many sects of religion so as to negate any need for knowing or keeping the law! I could go on and perhaps if any need me to I will, but this one point of scripture is paramount to coming into a fellowship with truth.
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The reader will note that the passage begins with, "21 Not everyone saying to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of My Father in the heavens. 22 Many will say to Me in that the day, […]"
Note a couple of things:
--"the kingdom of the heavens" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see also Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 etc "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal; and Lk19:12,15,17,19 for the other usage of "return"--neither of these passages pertain to "our Rapture/Departure/episynagoges UNTO HIM" ('IN THE AIR')]
--"IN THAT DAY" (most often refers to the period of time which involves "judgments-followed-by-blessing"--meaning, the 7-yr trib on the earth and also including the earthly MK age which follows [into which "the righteous" (of the trib years) will "ENTER"; but not "the cursed" or those who "believe[d] the LIE/the false/the pseudei" 2Th2:10-12 (during those yrs)]; "the Church which is His body" [by contrast] will be experiencing "the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ" UP THERE "WITH [G4862] Him" concurrently with when "the DOTL" is beginning [its spans of time] to unfold upon the earth [the "DARK"/"DARKNESS"/"IN THE NIGHT" portion, i.e. while the 7-yrs/70th-Wk is unfolding upon the earth])
--2Th2:13 (just after the passage already named above), Paul says,
English Standard Version
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Berean Literal Bible
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers beloved by the Lord, that God has chosen you from the beginning unto salvation in the sanctification of the Spirit, and by faith of the truth;
...and see the word that has been translated either "firstfruit [aparche]" or "from beginning [ap' arche]"... and the word for "has chosen" is a DIFFERENT Greek word from the usual word we see for "chose," and is here the Greek word "G138 - heilato / haireó" which Bible Hub says is "probably akin to G142 - airo"--"I raise, lift up, take away, remove" (which is what the earlier part of this particular passage is speaking to, in a few different ways / expressions [and not merely v.1 alone],… the ONE THING that must take place "FIRST" before "the DOTL" with its "man of sin" [and ALL he will DO over the course of the 7-yrs (i.e. judgment)] can be "present" to unfold upon the earth--the passage is showing a SEQUENCE [repeated 3x] and which was the SAME SEQUENCE as was given in 1Th4-5)
Note a couple of things:
--"the kingdom of the heavens" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see also Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 etc "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal; and Lk19:12,15,17,19 for the other usage of "return"--neither of these passages pertain to "our Rapture/Departure/episynagoges UNTO HIM" ('IN THE AIR')]
--"IN THAT DAY" (most often refers to the period of time which involves "judgments-followed-by-blessing"--meaning, the 7-yr trib on the earth and also including the earthly MK age which follows [into which "the righteous" (of the trib years) will "ENTER"; but not "the cursed" or those who "believe[d] the LIE/the false/the pseudei" 2Th2:10-12 (during those yrs)]; "the Church which is His body" [by contrast] will be experiencing "the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ" UP THERE "WITH [G4862] Him" concurrently with when "the DOTL" is beginning [its spans of time] to unfold upon the earth [the "DARK"/"DARKNESS"/"IN THE NIGHT" portion, i.e. while the 7-yrs/70th-Wk is unfolding upon the earth])
--2Th2:13 (just after the passage already named above), Paul says,
English Standard Version
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Berean Literal Bible
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers beloved by the Lord, that God has chosen you from the beginning unto salvation in the sanctification of the Spirit, and by faith of the truth;
...and see the word that has been translated either "firstfruit [aparche]" or "from beginning [ap' arche]"... and the word for "has chosen" is a DIFFERENT Greek word from the usual word we see for "chose," and is here the Greek word "G138 - heilato / haireó" which Bible Hub says is "probably akin to G142 - airo"--"I raise, lift up, take away, remove" (which is what the earlier part of this particular passage is speaking to, in a few different ways / expressions [and not merely v.1 alone],… the ONE THING that must take place "FIRST" before "the DOTL" with its "man of sin" [and ALL he will DO over the course of the 7-yrs (i.e. judgment)] can be "present" to unfold upon the earth--the passage is showing a SEQUENCE [repeated 3x] and which was the SAME SEQUENCE as was given in 1Th4-5)
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
The buying and selling has to with spiritual truths . Just like Cain, was a marked man .(Mark my word you will carry out my commandments). God word is etched in stone as to the letter of the law it kills. If any literal mark its that etched or tattooed in stone by the finger of God , as law.
Esau another first born that did not believe in the things not seen ( faithless). or another first born Ismael where the second Isaac received the blessing. It seems to be a way of the Holy Spirit developing the first born doctrine as two beginnings two Adams .He sold his birth rite seeing no value Just as Cain who murdered the first martyr to show he had no faith. The generation of Adam or called the evil generation those who must see before they will believe.
I don't think John in Revelation received those words as if they were what some call a "tongue", sounds without meaning . For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle. And John was left confused when he wrote down the word mark and we had to wait thousands of years until technology advanced before we could begin to understand that parable.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
The buying and selling has to with spiritual truths . Just like Cain, was a marked man .(Mark my word you will carry out my commandments). God word is etched in stone as to the letter of the law it kills. If any literal mark its that etched or tattooed in stone by the finger of God , as law.
Esau another first born that did not believe in the things not seen ( faithless). or another first born Ismael where the second Isaac received the blessing. It seems to be a way of the Holy Spirit developing the first born doctrine as two beginnings two Adams .He sold his birth rite seeing no value Just as Cain who murdered the first martyr to show he had no faith. The generation of Adam or called the evil generation those who must see before they will believe.
I don't think John in Revelation received those words as if they were what some call a "tongue", sounds without meaning . For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle. And John was left confused when he wrote down the word mark and we had to wait thousands of years until technology advanced before we could begin to understand that parable.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Hi thanks
When I look at that portion of Scripture. It would seem to be saying first and foremost that God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. A key needed to begin.
We Know God has no needs but satisfies all. He will not share his glory with the clay he is forming Christ in. Even the Son of man, Jesus refused to stand in that holy place of the glory of the father. The person in Mathew 7 is typified as an abomination of desecration making claims of standing in that holy place (a worker of iniquity.)
Jesus does not say the man in the parable could not perform the wonderful works .. He simply called him a worker of iniquity because he thought it was some kind of sign gift for confirmation and could use his hands as the will of God that works in us to both will and do the good pleasure of God, and that the work would be accredited to him . Blaspheme
In the Old testament the Spirit of Christ uses a Ass a unclean animal, to represent unbelief in mankind. According to the ceremonial law a Ass must be redeemed or yoked together with a lamb. The lamb, typified by Christ, the lamb of God..... or break its neck. Its sort of like "marvel not", no lamb, no new extended eternal life. Breaking neck is used several times in various manners a way of saying , without the pleasing faith of God that yokes us to Him in this world we can do nothing. . It is used in various parables in that way.
In that way this man in Mathew 7 represents the neck of un-redeemed mankind. It would be considered broken or no fellowship or no agreement as two walking together unevenly yoked. .Cut off. No salvation. No Yoke.
Natural man identified by a ass or another unclean metaphor is used in the old testament cerimonial laws in order to preach the gospel hid in those parables as to the suffering of Christ, the lamb of God beforehand and the glory that followed .(the ressurection reformation).
Genesis 27:40And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
Again in Isaiah 28 the tongues law as to its foundation fall backward, and be broken, Today those who seek after signs use that idea to confirm what they experience. They call it slain in the spirit... turning the meaning of slain in the spirit into a blessing , making the word of God without effect. Just as they that refuse to hear God as a sign against them .They It would seem turn the sign into wolf in sheep's clothing.
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isaiah 28
would not hear = Ass u me.
When I look at that portion of Scripture. It would seem to be saying first and foremost that God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. A key needed to begin.
We Know God has no needs but satisfies all. He will not share his glory with the clay he is forming Christ in. Even the Son of man, Jesus refused to stand in that holy place of the glory of the father. The person in Mathew 7 is typified as an abomination of desecration making claims of standing in that holy place (a worker of iniquity.)
Jesus does not say the man in the parable could not perform the wonderful works .. He simply called him a worker of iniquity because he thought it was some kind of sign gift for confirmation and could use his hands as the will of God that works in us to both will and do the good pleasure of God, and that the work would be accredited to him . Blaspheme
In the Old testament the Spirit of Christ uses a Ass a unclean animal, to represent unbelief in mankind. According to the ceremonial law a Ass must be redeemed or yoked together with a lamb. The lamb, typified by Christ, the lamb of God..... or break its neck. Its sort of like "marvel not", no lamb, no new extended eternal life. Breaking neck is used several times in various manners a way of saying , without the pleasing faith of God that yokes us to Him in this world we can do nothing. . It is used in various parables in that way.
In that way this man in Mathew 7 represents the neck of un-redeemed mankind. It would be considered broken or no fellowship or no agreement as two walking together unevenly yoked. .Cut off. No salvation. No Yoke.
Natural man identified by a ass or another unclean metaphor is used in the old testament cerimonial laws in order to preach the gospel hid in those parables as to the suffering of Christ, the lamb of God beforehand and the glory that followed .(the ressurection reformation).
Genesis 27:40And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
Again in Isaiah 28 the tongues law as to its foundation fall backward, and be broken, Today those who seek after signs use that idea to confirm what they experience. They call it slain in the spirit... turning the meaning of slain in the spirit into a blessing , making the word of God without effect. Just as they that refuse to hear God as a sign against them .They It would seem turn the sign into wolf in sheep's clothing.
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isaiah 28
would not hear = Ass u me.
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I agree. Yes, "un-redeemed / UNSAVED". The man [or ppl] is saying "haven't WE DONE... many wonderful works" (and even "in thy name" done them), but Jesus tells them "I NEVER knew you" (they said nothing about HIM, but instead "haven't WE DONE... many wonderful works"). I'm just pointing out the context of the words "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" and what timing [and location (the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK)] that pertains to... (it is not "UP IN Heaven" nor does it pertain to our Rapture)
garee, if I'm not mistaken, you and I differ on the following (quoted in my own post, at bottom/below), but I'm wondering if by the phrase you have written here (above ^ ), whether you might be suggesting (not sure, and why I'm asking ) that it is a sin for someone to be assured of their salvation BEFORE death or Jesus comes...? Is this what you mean by your phrasing? (like some do)
My previous posts (and one main point of disagreement between us, in that [I think I recall it is] you believe Jesus is NOT going to come again "in flesh"... that He's wholly and completely DONE with any of that):
) that it is a sin for someone to be assured of their salvation BEFORE death or Jesus comes...? Is this what you mean by your phrasing? (like some do)My previous posts (and one main point of disagreement between us, in that [I think I recall it is] you believe Jesus is NOT going to come again "in flesh"... that He's wholly and completely DONE with any of that):
^ EDIT (to add):
1 John 5 -
9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.
1 John 5 -
9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.
Thank you garee,
There are so many details wrapped up in what you wrote Lately when I have been meditating on;
Matthew 7:23 KJV+ AndG2532 thenG5119 will I professG3670 unto them,G846 I neverG3763 knewG1097 you:G5209 departG672 fromG575 me,G1700 ye that workG2038 iniquity.G458
I have had to consider whether the last two words in the English translation express what Jesus was trying to convey. Have you been exposed to the doctrine of grace that so many "Evangelicals" echo loudly where "All of the Law" was hung on the cross negating any need to know or to keep any of the law ? I recognize the fulfillment in the sacrificial law, but do not see any justification for dismissing all of the law. But, back to the point; the last two words in Greek, in their context, seem to express disdain for those who do do work, yet do so while disregarding the law. To put more succintly, they emulate the works of Jesus but do so while embracing "lawlessness".
Matthew 24:12 KJV+ AndG2532 because iniquityG458 shall abound,G4129 theG3588 loveG26 of manyG4183 shall wax cold.G5594
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 KJV For the mystery of iniquity G458 doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked G549 be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, [perhaps this correlates with His declaration in Matt 7:23] and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders [and perhaps this correlates wit Matt 7:22], (10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth [the Law], that they might be saved.[This reminds me of Luke 19:8-9 where Jesus speaks of “salvation” in terms of how Zacchaeus repented and committed to the restitution of those he has wronged according to the Law] (11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Speaking of "fulfillment":
Luke 22 -
14 When the hour had come, Jesus reclined at the table with His apostles. 15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering. 16 For I tell you that I will not eat it again UNTIL it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
17 After taking the cup, He gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves. 18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on UNTIL the kingdom of God comes.” [see also Matthew 26:29 - "UNTIL THAT DAY when I drink it NEW WITH [G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANYING] YOU in My Father's kingdom"]
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25 So Jesus declared, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in authority over them call themselves benefactors. 26 But you shall not be like them. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who leads like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines? But I am among you as the One who serves.
28 You are the ones who have stood by Me in My trials. 29 And I bestow on you a kingdom, just as My Father has bestowed one on Me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel. [see also Matthew 19:28 - "...in the regeneration, WHEN the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory [see also Matt25:31-34 for its TIMING and LOCATION (NOT "UP IN Heaven")], ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel."]
This correlates with a number of other passages I've already provided... But the thing to keep in mind is that Jesus spoke His Olivet Discourse to those TO WHOM "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" WAS PROMISED (and was prophesied)… and that was not TO "the Church which is His body" (whose "citizenship is in the heavens" Phil3:20, and who is to not mind Israel's earthly things, but is to instead "set YOUR minds on things above" [where WE are "seated [G4776 - synekathisen ] IN CHRIST JESUS" Eph2:6])
Luke 22 -
14 When the hour had come, Jesus reclined at the table with His apostles. 15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering. 16 For I tell you that I will not eat it again UNTIL it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
17 After taking the cup, He gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves. 18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on UNTIL the kingdom of God comes.” [see also Matthew 26:29 - "UNTIL THAT DAY when I drink it NEW WITH [G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANYING] YOU in My Father's kingdom"]
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25 So Jesus declared, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in authority over them call themselves benefactors. 26 But you shall not be like them. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who leads like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines? But I am among you as the One who serves.
28 You are the ones who have stood by Me in My trials. 29 And I bestow on you a kingdom, just as My Father has bestowed one on Me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel. [see also Matthew 19:28 - "...in the regeneration, WHEN the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory [see also Matt25:31-34 for its TIMING and LOCATION (NOT "UP IN Heaven")], ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel."]
This correlates with a number of other passages I've already provided... But the thing to keep in mind is that Jesus spoke His Olivet Discourse to those TO WHOM "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" WAS PROMISED (and was prophesied)… and that was not TO "the Church which is His body" (whose "citizenship is in the heavens" Phil3:20, and who is to not mind Israel's earthly things, but is to instead "set YOUR minds on things above" [where WE are "seated [G4776 - synekathisen ] IN CHRIST JESUS" Eph2:6])
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
The buying and selling has to with spiritual truths . Just like Cain, was a marked man .(Mark my word you will carry out my commandments). God word is etched in stone as to the letter of the law it kills. If any literal mark its that etched or tattooed in stone by the finger of God , as law.
Esau another first born that did not believe in the things not seen ( faithless). or another first born Ismael where the second Isaac received the blessing. It seems to be a way of the Holy Spirit developing the first born doctrine as two beginnings two Adams .He sold his birth rite seeing no value Just as Cain who murdered the first martyr to show he had no faith. The generation of Adam or called the evil generation those who must see before they will believe.
I don't think John in Revelation received those words as if they were what some call a "tongue", sounds without meaning . For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle. And John was left confused when he wrote down the word mark and we had to wait thousands of years until technology advanced before we could begin to understand that parable.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
The buying and selling has to with spiritual truths . Just like Cain, was a marked man .(Mark my word you will carry out my commandments). God word is etched in stone as to the letter of the law it kills. If any literal mark its that etched or tattooed in stone by the finger of God , as law.
Esau another first born that did not believe in the things not seen ( faithless). or another first born Ismael where the second Isaac received the blessing. It seems to be a way of the Holy Spirit developing the first born doctrine as two beginnings two Adams .He sold his birth rite seeing no value Just as Cain who murdered the first martyr to show he had no faith. The generation of Adam or called the evil generation those who must see before they will believe.
I don't think John in Revelation received those words as if they were what some call a "tongue", sounds without meaning . For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle. And John was left confused when he wrote down the word mark and we had to wait thousands of years until technology advanced before we could begin to understand that parable.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
In my opinion, nothing in your post explains the connection with the mark of the beast, nor the side effects.
There is evidence out there that suggests the best place for a implant powered by a Lithium battery is actually either in the right hand or in the forehead, as this has something to do with the body's temperature in those specific locations.
We are seeing already in places microchip implants, whether it be for employment or for convenience. There are clips on youtube available that clearly shows the insertion of such a device. There are even clips of showing people paying with implants.
Not only that, but we are now also seeing mandated vaccines coming into force in some places, with fines for parents who don't comply. And one can easily get a rfid implant from a vaccine.
So I don't know why some people cannot see the threat we people face today. We are seeing more and more technologies designed to merge man with machine, which in my opinion is to turn man into a robotized humanoid.
With all these emerging technologies, like 5G, AI and Nanotechnology, it really is not hard to see where society is headed. In my opinion we already have the technology in place to have people connected to a "super computer" of some type, which may involve implants based on AI and/or Nanotech.
The technologies we see today, I personally believe that the future of mankind is to become a robotized zombie, with no free will or mind of his/her but simply a biological drone bot.
When man was created, the most important gift given is "free will". We already seeing evidence in places how a person's free will is becoming under threat. Cannot say this or cannot say that as it is considered "hate speech" for example. And based on all the evidence and with what I know to this date, in my opinion mind control is connected with the mark of the beast.
The warning and the consequences described in Rev 14.9-11 is very strong. And there is a reason for this.
The buying and selling reference in Rev 13.17, the word "buy" in greek is G59 agorazo can also mean to go to market based on Strong's concordance, and "sell" which in the greek is G4453 poleo, and going by Strong's it can also mean to barter.
The Mark of The Beast is such a serious topic that requires a lot of study in my opinion, because of the time period we live in and we have to know what this thing is.
My suggestion to people, do your own research, and use Strong's Concordance to see what the words used in the English translation actually mean.
Good day Alertandawake,
When interpreting the scripture regarding the mark, I think that many forget that John is seeing future technology, which from his time frame he has nothing to compare it to. For example, the scripture states that mark will go on/in the right hand or forehead. Well, John would have no knowledge say, of a hypodermic needle used to inject something under the skin, much less the technological purpose of the device/mark itself.
The verse also says "unless anyone had the mark they would not be able to buy or sell, which from our future perspective, buying and selling has to do with electronic crediting and debiting of one's bank account. But again, John has nothing whatsoever to compare to with what he was seeing in his vision. We however, since we are seeing these things evolving, we can read these scriptures and know what he was talking about. The very fact that we have the technology of implanting RFID chips under the skin of the hand is a red flag. Most likely the RFID chip will evolve into something more technical and applicable leading up to the revealing of the antichrist. However, whatever the mark ends up being, what will remain consistent, is that it will go in/on the hand or the forehead and without it no one will be able to electronically buy and sell.
When interpreting the scripture regarding the mark, I think that many forget that John is seeing future technology, which from his time frame he has nothing to compare it to. For example, the scripture states that mark will go on/in the right hand or forehead. Well, John would have no knowledge say, of a hypodermic needle used to inject something under the skin, much less the technological purpose of the device/mark itself.
The verse also says "unless anyone had the mark they would not be able to buy or sell, which from our future perspective, buying and selling has to do with electronic crediting and debiting of one's bank account. But again, John has nothing whatsoever to compare to with what he was seeing in his vision. We however, since we are seeing these things evolving, we can read these scriptures and know what he was talking about. The very fact that we have the technology of implanting RFID chips under the skin of the hand is a red flag. Most likely the RFID chip will evolve into something more technical and applicable leading up to the revealing of the antichrist. However, whatever the mark ends up being, what will remain consistent, is that it will go in/on the hand or the forehead and without it no one will be able to electronically buy and sell.
Greetings AlertndAwake,
It is interesting that an "oath" is defined; a solemn promise, often invoking a divine witness, regarding one's future action or behavior.
"they took an oath of allegiance to the king"
Everyone, EVERYONE took a "Purjury Oath"/signature to receive their SSN. There is no doubt in my mind that men have exchanged their allegiance to God for their security which is a form of worship to the SSA. They have signed a perjury oath to the SSA in exchange for security. The SSN is not mandatory, but the loss of security from this "false god" of security makes many men worship the beast system that offers this.
That's one of the last innovations replacing tattoos a older. lots a new innovations coming as technology increases. Who knows possibly DNA scanning technology that can be used through satellite. Having nothing to do with the gospel of faith.
When interpreting the scripture regarding the mark. It would seem to be in respect to the "mark or integrity of His word" . You could say tattooed in stone by the finger of God as the letter of the law. It is shown to kill . He informs us he changes not
Like with Cain who murdered his brother after His brother spoke to him of spiritual matters. It is something as spiritual truth that we are not to sell and be identified as natural unconverted man 666. the mark of Cain . And I would offer Esau also he sold his birth rite also. Rather than for corn of the field a cup of venison soup .seeing no value in the things of God not seen A restless wanderer no rest in Christ form their works.
There is nothing to indicate that John spoke words without understanding or without measure . This is of John or anyone as far as seeing future technology a tool for understanding the gospel . It would seem to be similar the Amish . who avoid technology like it could draw us closer or cause a person to be less favorable with God. We don't know Christ after the technology of this world . it remains neutral as in nothing is evil or can cause a god of itself as that seen .We neither wrestle against or are we supported by the temporal .
We walk by faith . No literal sign was given as a wonder that we could take to the bank.
"Hand" a metaphor to represent power to move to do and "forehead" a metaphor to represent will to will . Together used represent our imputed faith by which we are given the confidence of Christ (Philippian 1:6) Both working together we can please Emmanuel (God with us) and stop the murmuring amongst our own selves. Then the gospel can give us the confidence if he began the good work...... he will finish it spoken on in (Philippian 1:6)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philippians 2:13-14
When interpreting the scripture regarding the mark. It would seem to be in respect to the "mark or integrity of His word" . You could say tattooed in stone by the finger of God as the letter of the law. It is shown to kill . He informs us he changes not
Like with Cain who murdered his brother after His brother spoke to him of spiritual matters. It is something as spiritual truth that we are not to sell and be identified as natural unconverted man 666. the mark of Cain . And I would offer Esau also he sold his birth rite also. Rather than for corn of the field a cup of venison soup .seeing no value in the things of God not seen A restless wanderer no rest in Christ form their works.
There is nothing to indicate that John spoke words without understanding or without measure . This is of John or anyone as far as seeing future technology a tool for understanding the gospel . It would seem to be similar the Amish . who avoid technology like it could draw us closer or cause a person to be less favorable with God. We don't know Christ after the technology of this world . it remains neutral as in nothing is evil or can cause a god of itself as that seen .We neither wrestle against or are we supported by the temporal .
We walk by faith . No literal sign was given as a wonder that we could take to the bank.
"Hand" a metaphor to represent power to move to do and "forehead" a metaphor to represent will to will . Together used represent our imputed faith by which we are given the confidence of Christ (Philippian 1:6) Both working together we can please Emmanuel (God with us) and stop the murmuring amongst our own selves. Then the gospel can give us the confidence if he began the good work...... he will finish it spoken on in (Philippian 1:6)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philippians 2:13-14
The oath I believe is the mark .Like for instance . Mark my word tattooed in stone.... the letter of it kills it will not return empty . His Spirit give life it will not return empty but it shall accomplish that which The Holy Spirit pleases, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto He sent it.
Exodus 31:18And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Note …. (my addition)
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, ( mark my Christ's word ) lest any finding him should kill him.Genesis 4:12-15
The mark is on all who would try and kill, making them a murderer just as Cain .No bargaining with death it has no mercy in this land.
Exodus 31:18And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Note …. (my addition)
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, ( mark my Christ's word ) lest any finding him should kill him.Genesis 4:12-15
The mark is on all who would try and kill, making them a murderer just as Cain .No bargaining with death it has no mercy in this land.