Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.

SimpleGardner · May 1, 2019

Greetings Ahwatukee,

A closer study of the manuscripts and their supporting passages show that the reference of "the hand" and "the forehead" refers to two levels of participation in any system. The "hand" referring to a mechanical participation in order to participate, the "forehead" as a mental/heart consent meaning being all in both physically and mentally/spiritually. Just as YHWH is holding back the....until his elect are "sealed" in their "foreheads" meaning they are fully educated and "on board" with the actual facts and in adherence to the "Kingdom of God". To date all other systems are eclipsed by the SSN system which is literally US Code 42-666. Most people are fully engulfed in The Beast System and will not give up their Social Security, hence they are wards of the state rather than wards/servants of God.

The rfid chips are simply decoys of the adversary to lull the masses into believing that the "mark" is yet to come, when it is actually upon them! Remember that the adversary will fool everyone to take the mark. Question is "hand" or "forehead" and when one comes to "see" will they get he victory over the number of their name Rev 15:2

Let each man be fully persuaded.

Bless YHWH! Know and Keep!

iamsoandso · May 1, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Greetings Ahwatukee,

A closer study of the manuscripts and their supporting passages show that the reference of "the hand" and "the forehead" refers to two levels of participation in any system. The "hand" referring to a mechanical participation in order to participate, the "forehead" as a mental/heart consent meaning being all in both physically and mentally/spiritually. Just as YHWH is holding back the....until his elect are "sealed" in their "foreheads" meaning they are fully educated and "on board" with the actual facts and in adherence to the "Kingdom of God". To date all other systems are eclipsed by the SSN system which is literally US Code 42-666. Most people are fully engulfed in The Beast System and will not give up their Social Security, hence they are wards of the state rather than wards/servants of God.

The rfid chips are simply decoys of the adversary to lull the masses into believing that the "mark" is yet to come, when it is actually upon them! Remember that the adversary will fool everyone to take the mark. Question is "hand" or "forehead" and when one comes to "see" will they get he victory over the number of their name Rev 15:2

Let each man be fully persuaded.

Bless YHWH! Know and Keep!

Then your post tribulation,pre-wrath?

SimpleGardner · May 1, 2019

In the parable of the Wheat and the Tares, who is Jesus referring to as the "wheat"?

iamsoandso · May 1, 2019

Those ground into fine flour by the teeth of the beast.

SimpleGardner · May 1, 2019

Well, the identity is given clearly by Jesus:

Matthew 13:38 KJV The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The point is this; Jesus gives us the timeline of when the children of the kingdom are gathered in that parable. Namely after the tares are gathered and burned in the fire.

SimpleGardner · May 1, 2019

So, if one follows the timeline of that parable, how would they answer your first question?

iamsoandso · May 1, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

I thought so from your first two post(By the way welcome to C.C.!!!!,lol) and in what you had said in them you believe the SS card is the mark and is being implemented as we speak and so it would not be unless the two horned beast is then also present,(You see it present tense) and that the "....."(your word's ,lol" is being held back until those who are sealed with the mark of God are sealed(Rev. 7:3),,,you didn't quote it but it was understood.

It's the same if you think about it in that if anyone thinks something is the mark and says it to be already in the world then they cannot be pre trib. if the mark or tech. is already here without the ones who are inventing,creating or simply leading things up to it. That is the ones who decieve the world and ease it up on us in the reasoning would first need to be pesent in the world or else one would say "I dont know it's not here yet nor is he.",,but if they say it's here present tense then they so much as admit the beast is also. And then so also the sealing of those who are sealed with the mark of God and understand both.

p.s. I quoted Ignatious speaking of the wheat.

Alertandawake · May 2, 2019

stillness said:

I myself have often thought the mark of the beast is somehow tied with mind control. Thing is, the technology in my opinion exists. We already have this concept of this day and age of merging man with machine, brain computer interface and so on. But what if it goes beyond this? A person's brain is literally reconfigured in such a way that instead of a person reading, they can download information direct to their brain? Controlled information? Controlled behavior?

Now with all this technology today, such as AI nanobot technology, if such nanobots are injected inside a person, what will they do? Nanobots will need to have a programmed task. The question is what is the programmed task? The only conclusion I can come to in the context of mind control is that people will have to be implanted with some type of technological implant that will open the way for such a person to have their mind controlled and connected to some type of super computer.

SimpleGardner · May 2, 2019

iamsoandso said:

Greetings Iamsoandso,

Thank you for the kind welcome.

Regarding the "mark"...there are many OT references to how someones adherance to a system is a "mark" or "Sign" or even "signifier" between themselves and the system they are engaged in and with. For example;
Exodus 13:9 KJV And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Here the feast of Passover and Unleaven Bread observance serves as a "sign" or "mark" that the Israelite observers are in allegiance to YHWH. Also note that it refers to the hand and the forehead or put another way in our common English language terms; "made obvious by your actions (hand) and your hearts desire (put here as between thine eyes, essentially forehead).

Or:
Ezekiel 20:20 KJV And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
Here the word for sign has it's root in the word "mark", again it shows whatever system of order one participates in is who you signify (or in most cases literally sign on the dotted line with)

So, it is our misunderstanding of the term "in the hand and forehead" that has lead so many to overlook their own participation in the Beast Systems SSN program. By the way the Beast System is also referred to as Mystery Babylon which made it's first blow against the previous order of both our nation here in the US and many others in the early 1900's

TheDivineWatermark · May 2, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

I made a post on that awhile back:

[quoting a portion of that post... keep in mind this was in the context of a different convo, but still related to this Q ^ in particular]

[...] in view of that, I believe the 144,000 are "firstfruit" of the WHEAT harvest (the TWO LOAVES; and "baken with leaven" [these are not "the Church which is His body"], per Lev23:17-18, where it similarly states they are "unto the Lord" [like Rev14:4 does],

... and that the "a great multitude... of all the nations [/Gentiles]" & the WHEAT of Matt13 [still-living persons at end of trib] & the Sheep of the nations [/Gentiles] of Matt25 [still-living persons at end of trib]... are the rest of THAT harvest: WHEAT.

"Gather[-ed] into My barn" refers to the earthly MK time period, as "wheat" is harvested by means of a "tribulum" [Daniel 12:12 "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days!" are those who survive to the end of the trib, and enter in mortal bodies capable of reproducing/bearing children--Any believer/saint who died during the trib will be "resurrected" for that [the MK], per Rev20:4, and these will not be capable of reproducing/bearing children but will be like the angels (who don't reproduce)])

And whereas "WHEAT" is harvested by means of a "tribulum," the earlier harvest is NOT, but instead is harvested by means of "tossing into the air" which separates that which [is not OF the harvest (or "chaff"), for lack of a better way of putting it, at the moment]

[and]

Not all (saints of all times) are the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"...
For example,
--"the guests [PLURAL]" are not the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"...
--"the 10 [or 5] Virgins [PLURAL]" are not the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"...
--the "servants [PLURAL; of that particular future time period (FOLLOWING our Rapture)]" are not "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]...
--"the FRIEND of the Bridegroom" is not the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]" (and JtB died before this point)...

There is only ONE [SINGULAR] "Bride/Wife"... and 2Cor11:2 states specifically, "for I [Paul] have espoused you [corporate 'you']] to ONE HUSBAND, that I may present [understood 'you'; corporate 'you'] as A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR] to Christ" (ONE, and "AS ONE"/UNIONED [G4862 - syn - WITH/UNIONED-WITH]--see also Eph5:30-32; the "G4862 [UNION]" thing! This is not what is happening with the FIVE VIRGINS [PLURAL] who go in "with [G3326 - meta - accompanying] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [i.e. the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom] upon His "RETURN" to the earth.)

[and]

"the kingdom OF THE heavenS" is referring to the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth) [see Matt13:24 and other verses there]

...and that the Rev19:9 verse ONLY states that the "INVITING" has been accomplished [aorist] (on the earth, DURING the trib), NOT the SUPPER ITSELF (which, ON THE EARTH, is the inauguration of the earthly MK [upon His "RETURN" there])

, and that the wedding FEAST/SUPPER is where the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR] and the Bridegroom are now heading down TO in the Rev19 timing (and where the Gospel accounts [of the "wedding FEAST/SUPPER"] pick up the NEXT scene in the SEQUENCE: His "RETURN" to the earth, FOR "the MEAL"/the "G347" of Matthew 8:11 (and parallel), and Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal!, and others... (Matt22:8-14, for example)...

[end of that post]

_______

Hope that helps you see my perspective.

iamsoandso · May 3, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Until someone understands who the beast is all of the theories are each one as good as the other. As soon as someone realizes who the beast is then they will look at how they have the puzzle put together and take some back apart and rearrange them and when they go to put the last piece in it will dawn on them whose enemy they have become and cry.

It's best not to say who it is, it's as if someone in Christianity like the Branch Davidians or the Family from Manson did certain things and one thing led to another then world war three broke out. At first things seemed to make sense but after a while since every Christian was just like any Christian then they were all at fault. Then the other Christians were gathered together for the slaughter and the slaughter then took place.

Then the war was over and the Manson family was set up as the interim government over all the Christians. As time went on the Baptist and the Pentecostals and the other many denominations among Christianity began to say "wait we are not of the same mind or belief as the Manson family" but no one would hear it. And the victors of the war believed all the Christians to be of the same mind and belief and with all their military might supported the interim government of the Manson family who were Scientologist.

Now we all know it's not the Manson family or the Christians but it is very similar. But then as time went on if the other Christian denominations tried to explain they would be labeled as anti-christian and scorned by many. Everyone knows that preterist,dispensationist,amill's ect all think and believe the same way right?. And since they all think and believe the same way they should be all lumped together?

Anyway it's best not to say who it really is because the last piece will make you cry,and more than cry also an enemy. It's odd how we see religions all lumped together but we do. It seems no culture on the earth is immune from this manner of thinking. One day it will catch us off guard and we will find we set up the antichrist and gave him the key.

Ahwatukee · May 3, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Hello SimpleGardener,

The Wheat would be those great tribulation saints who believe in Christ after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath and the beasts kingdom. Many of them will be killed during that time, because they will keep their testimony of Jesus and the word of God and therefore will not worship the beast, his image, nor receive his mark. Those who are not killed and make through the time of God's wrath and the beasts kingdom alive, will be those who will be allowed to enter into the millennial kingdom in their immortal bodies and repopulate the earth, along with the remnant of Israel.

Melach · May 3, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Greetings Ahwatukee,

A closer study of the manuscripts and their supporting passages show that the reference of "the hand" and "the forehead" refers to two levels of participation in any system. The "hand" referring to a mechanical participation in order to participate, the "forehead" as a mental/heart consent meaning being all in both physically and mentally/spiritually. Just as YHWH is holding back the....until his elect are "sealed" in their "foreheads" meaning they are fully educated and "on board" with the actual facts and in adherence to the "Kingdom of God". To date all other systems are eclipsed by the SSN system which is literally US Code 42-666. Most people are fully engulfed in The Beast System and will not give up their Social Security, hence they are wards of the state rather than wards/servants of God.

The rfid chips are simply decoys of the adversary to lull the masses into believing that the "mark" is yet to come, when it is actually upon them! Remember that the adversary will fool everyone to take the mark. Question is "hand" or "forehead" and when one comes to "see" will they get he victory over the number of their name Rev 15:2

Let each man be fully persuaded.

Bless YHWH! Know and Keep!

are you saying social security welfare is mark of the beast?
why would a good thing helping millions of people be evil? you dont have to worship the government to get it

thats like say working is mark of the beast, since your boss isnt a christian and you take money from his non-christian company. so mark of the beast

garee · May 3, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Hand and forehead are terms used as metaphors that hide the spiritual understanding from natural unconverted man. They mean as one action or work: "to will and do". or like willfully …"Let there be and there was" . Called a work of faith in the Bible or is described as a labor of love .His working in and with us the good works we can offer towards His name. ..

Putting one hand on another head like with a scapegoat typified as Jesus in Mathew 4 our suffering savior. It is simply wonderfully a plea to God to have mercy and perhaps he will heal and strengthen a person to finish the work. .

Luke 22:43-45 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

This is something that God performs in us to both will (forehead) and do the good pleasure of His will (forehead) , as a imputed righteousness .

The mark is the mark of Cain (natural unconverted man) marked a restless wanderer. One who was given a punishment that they said could nor bear. No rest in the work assigned. God diminished the outcome .It became like a fliting bird eat or die. This was his punishment for committing the first murder. His brother Abel brought him the gospel . Cain who refused to hear the gospel deceived his brother Abel to take a last walk in the field and Cain slew the messenger Abel. just as mankind who slew the Son of man, Jesus. .

Cain who had no faith. When God pronounced the verdict thought he was bargaining with the devil.( the father of lie within as self reasoning also called will worship (worship ones own. ) He informed God he did not want to spend the rest of his life suffering and that other would spoil is plan and kill him before his time was up. He had enough suffering already.

In effect God said to Cain. Mark my word but this as the gospel truth I will carry out the sentence as I have said. If any one murdered Cain .They would be acknowledged by the kind same mark (natural unconverted man as a beast of the field) . His number (representational) is 666. Created from the dust of the field on the sixth day .

We walk by faith, its a evil generation (natural man) that seeks after a signs and wonders gospel (seeing is believing)

Like...And the beautiful serpent seen replied. Faith died.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Genesis 3:4

Absolutely · May 3, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Greetings Ahwatukee,

A closer study of the manuscripts and their supporting passages show that the reference of "the hand" and "the forehead" refers to two levels of participation in any system. The "hand" referring to a mechanical participation in order to participate, the "forehead" as a mental/heart consent meaning being all in both physically and mentally/spiritually. Just as YHWH is holding back the....until his elect are "sealed" in their "foreheads" meaning they are fully educated and "on board" with the actual facts and in adherence to the "Kingdom of God". To date all other systems are eclipsed by the SSN system which is literally US Code 42-666. Most people are fully engulfed in The Beast System and will not give up their Social Security, hence they are wards of the state rather than wards/servants of God.

The rfid chips are simply decoys of the adversary to lull the masses into believing that the "mark" is yet to come, when it is actually upon them! Remember that the adversary will fool everyone to take the mark. Question is "hand" or "forehead" and when one comes to "see" will they get he victory over the number of their name Rev 15:2

Let each man be fully persuaded.

Bless YHWH! Know and Keep!

SS Is money already belonging to the retired .
Has zero to do with the mark.

Read where it says no buy or sell unless one takes the mark.
It is a literal mark,indicating being bound to,and worshipping a man ruler freak.
A "Jesus". (False imposter)

SimpleGardner · May 3, 2019

TheDivineWatermark said:

Thank you for your reply. It is very detailed, I continue reading/studying it. I have much to learn regarding the identity of each group (144,000, wheat etc) I would like to share a quick thought before I finish studying your reply, which is this; When I look at the “offerings” of the harvests in the OT the “firstfruits” are made from Barley. I am an avid gardener, 1-2 acres garden, over a hundred fruit trees, grapes, berries, nuts etc, all to say this: when I left the “Beast System” of dollars for goods over to YHWH’s system of sweat for food I deliberately planted many of the grains mentioned in scripture to watch when and how they grow and ripen. Barley, consistently grows and produces during the toughest winter months! Wheat on the other hand requires warmth and plentiful rain to produce. Barley, “the first fruit” is the grain that signifies the “saints” who flourished as Kingdom of Heaven faithful despite harsh opposition and very little present reward. This is in contrast to the “Wheat” saints who like the grain itself require everything “just so” in order to produce fruit. The rewards for each are commensurate.

The feast of Passover was fulfilled at the crucifixion of Yahshua our kinsman redeemer. The account of Matt 27:52 of saints being resurrected at the time of Yahshuas death is possibly the resurrection of those who had received the Holy Spirit and served in YHWH’s Kingdom up to that date. Perhaps this was the entirety of the Barley harvest. Perhaps the 144,000 are separate from the barley and the wheat. Not sure yet. Still reading…

SimpleGardner · May 3, 2019

iamsoandso said:

Until someone understands who the beast is all of the theories are each one as good as the other. As soon as someone realizes who the beast is then they will look at how they have the puzzle put together and take some back apart and rearrange them and when they go to put the last piece in it will dawn on them whose enemy they have become and cry.

It's best not to say who it is, it's as if someone in Christianity like the Branch Davidians or the Family from Manson did certain things and one thing led to another then world war three broke out. At first things seemed to make sense but after a while since every Christian was just like any Christian then they were all at fault. Then the other Christians were gathered together for the slaughter and the slaughter then took place.

Then the war was over and the Manson family was set up as the interim government over all the Christians. As time went on the Baptist and the Pentecostals and the other many denominations among Christianity began to say "wait we are not of the same mind or belief as the Manson family" but no one would hear it. And the victors of the war believed all the Christians to be of the same mind and belief and with all their military might supported the interim government of the Manson family who were Scientologist.

Now we all know it's not the Manson family or the Christians but it is very similar. But then as time went on if the other Christian denominations tried to explain they would be labeled as anti-christian and scorned by many. Everyone knows that preterist,dispensationist,amill's ect all think and believe the same way right?. And since they all think and believe the same way they should be all lumped together?

Anyway it's best not to say who it really is because the last piece will make you cry,and more than cry also an enemy. It's odd how we see religions all lumped together but we do. It seems no culture on the earth is immune from this manner of thinking. One day it will catch us off guard and we will find we set up the antichrist and gave him the key.

SimpleGardner · May 3, 2019

Greetings Iamsoandso, I agree, putting a name or identity to “who” the “beast” identity is, is fruitless. Does it make sense that the “Beast” is a “System” rather than a person? I view the “Beast System” as a civil structure or order that runs contrary to YHWH’s order. An Education branch that teaches ways contrary to Kingdom order, Financial system whose practices are contrary to the Law, Medical system which practices contrary to the law, Judicial branch whose justice is not restitution oriented, An Entertainment branch that indoctrinates for all the other branches. There are others, but it seems that these branches are run by the Tares and any that they can recruit from the wheat and/or others. The other half of my question from a couple days ago would be; who are the “tares” from the wheat and the tare parable? If there is an identity to the Beast System minions I think these would be them.

SimpleGardner · May 3, 2019

Absolutely said:

To end the American Revolution, King George III (as he authorized the United
States to exist in the Treaty of Parisin 1783) retained Title over the Holy Roman
Empire and the United States of America as "Arch-Treasurer" and "Prince
Elector." Yes, the Holy Roman Empire is explicitly mentioned as the Treaty's
authority to allow the U.S. to exist. This is consistent with the Biblical Beast
powers. THE UNITED STATES REMAINS WITHIN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
• The Secretary of the Treasury issues Social Security Cards. The Secretary of the
Treasury is not an Officer of the U.S. Government. He is the Arch-Treasurer of
the Holy Roman Empire, just like the Treaty says
• The U.S. went Bankrupt on March 4, 1933.
• On March 9, 1933, domestic transactions were removed from the exclusions to
the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act(40 Stat L. 411, Subdivision "b" of Section
5). "Trading with the Enemy" is always illegal. Prior to March 9, 1933 domestic
transactions were always legal. After March 9, 1933 all domestic transactions are
illegal. We are the enemy of the Roman occupation forces. Again: trading with
the enemy is always illegal, but now our domestic trading is with the enemy of
our foreign masters. Domestic transactions can now be regulated and punished. I
repeat: domestic transactions are illegal. NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL. It
is illegal to buy or sell in unless your transactions are with a surrendered person.
Guess who has surrendered.
• The multinational authority that is already pre-authorized by the U.S. Congress to
control your buying and selling with "actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders
and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken ..." is the very same
multinational authority that issues Social Security Cards. Title 12 United States
Code, Section 95(b)gives the Secretary of the Treasury complete power over us.
Whatever drastic actions he wants to take to control us are already authorized by
law. His actions "heretofore or hereafter taken" have already been pre-approved
by Congress in 1933. (This all fits nicely with Rev 13:10 "if anyone is to go into
captivity...")
• The Social Security Act has no provision for a Trust Fund or Insurance. In fact, it
would be unconstitutional if it had a Trust Fund according to Davis v. Boston, 89
F2d 368. Even the Supreme Court says that there is never a contractual obligation
to pay Social Security benefits because no one has a contracted right to benefits
(Fleming v. Nestor, 363 US 603).
• It is the official U.S. Government policy that only federal welfare applicants are
required to have Social Security Numbers. I've included a Chapter citing allthe
court cases requiring people to get SS numbers, and all cases are for welfare
Applicants. And I have another Chapter with Constitutional proofs that it cannot
be otherwise.
• Social Security Numbers are only for federal welfare Applicants. No law has ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. Neither has a court ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. According to Title 26, Code of
Federal Regulations, Section 31.3402(p)"... furnishing Form W-4 shall constitute
a request for withholding." U.S. Citizens were not subject to withholding
according to the recently repealed Title 26 Code of Federal Regulations Section
1.1441-5entitled: "Claiming to be a person not subject to withholding."
• Even the Social Security Administration admits that it is unaware of any law or
regulation requiring the Social Security Number to be used for employment
purposes.
• It is highly unlikely that you ever qualified for a Social Security Number. Social
Security Act, Section 205(c)(2)(B)(i)allows Social Security Cards to be issued to
those who need government funds. The Application for a Social Security Card is
an Application to become a Ward of Government. You signed a financing
statement whereby they agree to finance your benefits in exchange for something.
This can be upheld in any court.
• Once you voluntarily ask to be a Ward of your Masters, you are chained to their
chain of command. While you are in their house, you obey their rules. No matter
how abhorrent or repugnant their rules become. The Supreme Court in the
Ashwander case said that anyone who takes federal benefits cannot challenge
their rules. Caesar has become lord. You cannot obey two Masters.

• By asking to be a Ward of the Government, you've created a host of providers to
regulate you, judge you, and be your savior. This is the moral equivalent of
having other lords before God Almighty, in violation of the First Commandment.
• By applying for a Social Security Card you are applying for federal benefits.
Believers cannot associate with freeloaders according to 2nd Thessalonians 3:6-14. Therefore, a Believer cannot qualify for a Social Security Number.

These are only a few details among 100's that show the SSN to be the signatory mark between a man and the beast system, as I see it.

SimpleGardner · May 3, 2019

Absolutely said:

PS info cited from "ssn the mark of the beast"

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