Whats the deal with Catholics?
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Maybe this is a dumb question... But if we have access to the Heavenly Father who knows all things,who is everywhere present,who knows our thoughts and needs before we ask,why would we pray to a saint? The Bible doesn't teach that we ought to pray to saints, or that saints have any power to move on our behalf. Only God can answer prayer. Why go to anyone other than the one who created us and knows the number of hairs on our head?
Hi Kenthomas 27
You are right about that you are not talking with dead people but are communing with lying spirits called a legion of demons.
When you look to commune with one worker with a familiar spirit that you call a patron saint you get the whole legion and is why you need an idol image or patron saint medallion to put a face on one. This is so that a person does no to believe they are simply talking to their own conscience.or Casper the friendly ghost.
The saints that leave here never again have anything to with things here forever more .
Once is to many. It would appear according to the scripture the wrong manner of spirit. So it’s not that you are not being spiritual but after the wrong manner.
God calls seeking after to worship disembodied workers with familiar spirits or what you must call patron saints an abomination. How could it be supported by scriptures and what would be the hope of worshiping something not seen , other than our Father in heaven who gives us His faith as the proper manner of spirit, as it is written ?
Scripture is clear, it’s just has no authority to a Catholic without seeking the approval of men(fathers) . Now is the time God accepts our work and we can reign with Christ as ambassadors from a foreign land. Our citizenship is not here .It is kept from moths and rust in this corrupted world that will go up in smoke.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is “now perished” ; neither have they “any more” a portion “forever” in “anything “that is “done under the sun”.Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God “now” accepteth thy works. Ecc 9:5
Again because you must seek the approval of the fathers, Christ's nemisis, you must refuse to hear the word of God to let the Spirit of Christ talk to your heart according to his word. You must perform that in exchange for the legion (3500 and rising) of workers with familiar spirits that you call patron saints. And it’s not like talking to Casper the friendly ghost. They are demons whose goal it is that you seek after the god of this world, Satan who destroys the gospel .
What should give you comfort (the word of God) you must ignore like the passages that speak directly on what some call “soul sleep” and the Catholic must laugh and make a mockery of.
Personally, when I hear of those who seek after to worship familiar spirits gods, as patron saints. I get a chill down my spine and not the kind that comes from Casper the friendly ghost but one that comes from trusting what God calls an abomination.
The Catholics because they must follow the will of another other than our father in heaven they willfully deny his word because they do follow another manner of spirit other than the same spirit of faith, as it is written .
This shows their ignorance of what God reveals to His children by faith. They follow just the opposite of what he does infallibly inform us of.Rather than not being ignorant they become willfully ignorant.
But “I would not have you to be ignorant”, brethren, concerning them which are “asleep”, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which “sleep in Jesus” will God bring with him.For this we say unto you “by the word of the Lord”, that we “which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord” shall not prevent them which are “asleep”.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Seeing no man can serve two masters, either those words that come from hearing God in heaven clearly give the Christian comfort, or they turn the lies of the father of lies into Casper the friendly ghost so that they can be ignored..
You are right about that you are not talking with dead people but are communing with lying spirits called a legion of demons.
When you look to commune with one worker with a familiar spirit that you call a patron saint you get the whole legion and is why you need an idol image or patron saint medallion to put a face on one. This is so that a person does no to believe they are simply talking to their own conscience.or Casper the friendly ghost.
The saints that leave here never again have anything to with things here forever more .
Once is to many. It would appear according to the scripture the wrong manner of spirit. So it’s not that you are not being spiritual but after the wrong manner.
God calls seeking after to worship disembodied workers with familiar spirits or what you must call patron saints an abomination. How could it be supported by scriptures and what would be the hope of worshiping something not seen , other than our Father in heaven who gives us His faith as the proper manner of spirit, as it is written ?
Scripture is clear, it’s just has no authority to a Catholic without seeking the approval of men(fathers) . Now is the time God accepts our work and we can reign with Christ as ambassadors from a foreign land. Our citizenship is not here .It is kept from moths and rust in this corrupted world that will go up in smoke.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is “now perished” ; neither have they “any more” a portion “forever” in “anything “that is “done under the sun”.Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God “now” accepteth thy works. Ecc 9:5
Again because you must seek the approval of the fathers, Christ's nemisis, you must refuse to hear the word of God to let the Spirit of Christ talk to your heart according to his word. You must perform that in exchange for the legion (3500 and rising) of workers with familiar spirits that you call patron saints. And it’s not like talking to Casper the friendly ghost. They are demons whose goal it is that you seek after the god of this world, Satan who destroys the gospel .
What should give you comfort (the word of God) you must ignore like the passages that speak directly on what some call “soul sleep” and the Catholic must laugh and make a mockery of.
Personally, when I hear of those who seek after to worship familiar spirits gods, as patron saints. I get a chill down my spine and not the kind that comes from Casper the friendly ghost but one that comes from trusting what God calls an abomination.
The Catholics because they must follow the will of another other than our father in heaven they willfully deny his word because they do follow another manner of spirit other than the same spirit of faith, as it is written .
This shows their ignorance of what God reveals to His children by faith. They follow just the opposite of what he does infallibly inform us of.Rather than not being ignorant they become willfully ignorant.
But “I would not have you to be ignorant”, brethren, concerning them which are “asleep”, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which “sleep in Jesus” will God bring with him.For this we say unto you “by the word of the Lord”, that we “which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord” shall not prevent them which are “asleep”.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Seeing no man can serve two masters, either those words that come from hearing God in heaven clearly give the Christian comfort, or they turn the lies of the father of lies into Casper the friendly ghost so that they can be ignored..
Hahahaha ! We think too much alike. Did you see the post where I said you "nailed it"? I think I have 300 likes on that.lol We all think you are one smart cookie 
Yeah I guess we may be related.. maybe we share 5% of our 10%
Tell us why does the Catholic Church demand we pray the Hail Mary over and over and over again after we confess our sins to a Catholic Priest?
Do you Catholics not know that which you pray to is your god?
Did you know the Hail Mary did not appear until after 1050 AD ?
Which does prove this is a man made Tradition.
Also did you know the Rosary is nothing more than Prayer beads used by the Pagans to worship Satan?
Will the Catholics ever admit they Worship Mary or will they continue to try and deceive others into following Mary as their god?
Do you Catholics not know that which you pray to is your god?
Did you know the Hail Mary did not appear until after 1050 AD ?
Which does prove this is a man made Tradition.
Also did you know the Rosary is nothing more than Prayer beads used by the Pagans to worship Satan?
Will the Catholics ever admit they Worship Mary or will they continue to try and deceive others into following Mary as their god?
. Yes he alone knows what we need before we ask. So why ask any other disembodied spirit (gods) other than His Holy Spirit? Great question !
When seeking to hallow by venerating that not seen (the faith principle) .The scripture speaks of “one manner” . called “this manner” and not manners as more than one. .The one manner is in respect to our father in heaven alone. He alone knows the hearts of all men. Seeking after other manners as vain repetitions only shows a person is not seeking after our Holy Father in heaven.But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not “vain repetitions”, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Mat 6:6
And it’s not the repetitions that are at fault seeing like children we cry out in our anxieties in a hope he will hear us, over and over, sometimes for years. What make it vain is the manner of spirit . Again “this manner” means one. And not cafeteria style chose your own.. the skies the limit..
K
Thank you Garee for this thoughtful reply. You make a good case and it's something to think about. Just to help you understand more of my own faith, I believe our God of Israel is the God of the living as evidenced in Matthew 21:31=32. In that passage Jesus specifically mentions 3 men who are physically dead but then says "He is not the God of the dead, but the living". Living in a new and higher ways because they've been perfected by physical death. Like - when I think of the church, I'm not really thinking about the institution itself. I'm thinking of the entire body of God. The Trinity of God,the angels, the body of those under God's Grace in Heaven and on earth. I've already mentioned in Matthew 17 where Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration and how these "dead in body spirits" knew very well what was happening on earth. Again that's shown in Hebrews 12:1 ..Therefore since we are surround by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us. Throughout the bible when God or an Angel or a spirit is convening with a mortal, they are surrounded by fog or a cloud and as this "cloud of witnesses" shows me - even death cannot separate us from Christ!
I've already talked about the visions of John in Revelations 5:8 of the saints offering prayers at the alter of God, but I want to include one thing Jesus said also. In Luke 15:7 -10 Jesus talks about the rejoicing in heaven over the one sinner who has repented over the 99 who needed no repentance. If this veil between heaven and earth left no avenue for communication, how could heaven know to rejoice? In Luke 16 where there is the story of Lazarus and the rich man, those who suffered death are still asking for help for those on earth - which is intercession.
To me - the hope in those things unseen is the ESSENCE of faith! That God is the God the living gives me great hope. Again, I've heard it said over and over and over that Catholics are worshiping some saint or practicing necromancy when what I feel I'm doing is worshiping and praying WITH the whole body of Christ! Not the dead decaying physical body. The living body of God on earth and in heaven. The universe.
I've already talked about the visions of John in Revelations 5:8 of the saints offering prayers at the alter of God, but I want to include one thing Jesus said also. In Luke 15:7 -10 Jesus talks about the rejoicing in heaven over the one sinner who has repented over the 99 who needed no repentance. If this veil between heaven and earth left no avenue for communication, how could heaven know to rejoice? In Luke 16 where there is the story of Lazarus and the rich man, those who suffered death are still asking for help for those on earth - which is intercession.
To me - the hope in those things unseen is the ESSENCE of faith! That God is the God the living gives me great hope. Again, I've heard it said over and over and over that Catholics are worshiping some saint or practicing necromancy when what I feel I'm doing is worshiping and praying WITH the whole body of Christ! Not the dead decaying physical body. The living body of God on earth and in heaven. The universe.
Hi Ken,
One thing I have noticed with Catholicism is because the scriptures of themselves are dead to a Catholic they must rather seek the approval of the fathers (Christ’s nemesis.) This is requiring men as that seen teach them as their own kind of measure of faith in respect to men as if they were the living source of infallibility , and not the scriptures , again which they must consider as dead. Seeing no man can serve two masters. The things of God and those of sinful men. Its where Satan, the father of lies gets his foot in the door.
Any time period God did not speak from heaven to give us His prophecy. Natural man is quick to look to another source to give them a daily living faith. We can see that between the revealing of the Old Testament to the new. (400 years) There were many attempts to add to the word of God with secret books some called the Apocrypha.
The same kind of abomination occurs today. Even though men know God is no longer bring any new revelation called prophecy. This seeing His will has been sealed for over two thousand years till the end of time now that we have the complete will or perfect will. This is with no laws missing by which we could know Him more intimately.
Its where the patron saints as disembodied workers with familiar spirits come in to give the illusion they are receiving a living faith and god is still bringing new revelations. . Completely ignoring the warning not to add or subtract from his perfect will. It is where what the Catholics must call the private revelations come in to give them the illusion of a living faith. It is what they call a living faith as to the whole deposit (the word of God falls short of the whole in respect to itself ) There idea of the whole deposit of faith is not generated by the scriptures.It can be seen in many ways.
Like for instance with what is called stigmata (hey I have a hole in my hand) as with Padre Pio a worship-able patron saint.It gave the illusion God is still bring new revelations. Or another would be a woman named Faustian , who claims Christ came and posed for a portrait and told her that if anyone looks at it they will be resolved of sin .It is used all over the world as a form of his mercy . called mercy Sunday .
Pope urban in the 15th century needed to have something to slow down the reformation. So he defined “private revelation” which is simply as private interpretation coming from one’s own fleshly mind in respect to that not seen. This also gives them the illusion God is still brining new revelations. .
One thing I have noticed with Catholicism is because the scriptures of themselves are dead to a Catholic they must rather seek the approval of the fathers (Christ’s nemesis.) This is requiring men as that seen teach them as their own kind of measure of faith in respect to men as if they were the living source of infallibility , and not the scriptures , again which they must consider as dead. Seeing no man can serve two masters. The things of God and those of sinful men. Its where Satan, the father of lies gets his foot in the door.
Any time period God did not speak from heaven to give us His prophecy. Natural man is quick to look to another source to give them a daily living faith. We can see that between the revealing of the Old Testament to the new. (400 years) There were many attempts to add to the word of God with secret books some called the Apocrypha.
The same kind of abomination occurs today. Even though men know God is no longer bring any new revelation called prophecy. This seeing His will has been sealed for over two thousand years till the end of time now that we have the complete will or perfect will. This is with no laws missing by which we could know Him more intimately.
Its where the patron saints as disembodied workers with familiar spirits come in to give the illusion they are receiving a living faith and god is still bringing new revelations. . Completely ignoring the warning not to add or subtract from his perfect will. It is where what the Catholics must call the private revelations come in to give them the illusion of a living faith. It is what they call a living faith as to the whole deposit (the word of God falls short of the whole in respect to itself ) There idea of the whole deposit of faith is not generated by the scriptures.It can be seen in many ways.
Like for instance with what is called stigmata (hey I have a hole in my hand) as with Padre Pio a worship-able patron saint.It gave the illusion God is still bring new revelations. Or another would be a woman named Faustian , who claims Christ came and posed for a portrait and told her that if anyone looks at it they will be resolved of sin .It is used all over the world as a form of his mercy . called mercy Sunday .
Pope urban in the 15th century needed to have something to slow down the reformation. So he defined “private revelation” which is simply as private interpretation coming from one’s own fleshly mind in respect to that not seen. This also gives them the illusion God is still brining new revelations. .
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would you even recognize it?
we don't serve any human master or worldly hierarchy of bureaucracy, but the divine Truth, and God Himself is our direct supervisor, having given us the permanent mark and indwelling of His own Spirit.
the reformation was not just a lot of people who were 'blowing something out of proportion' or who misunderstood things.
do you comprehend that?
and it is not as though these are petty quibbles that have been fully rectified.
we don't serve any human master or worldly hierarchy of bureaucracy, but the divine Truth, and God Himself is our direct supervisor, having given us the permanent mark and indwelling of His own Spirit.
the reformation was not just a lot of people who were 'blowing something out of proportion' or who misunderstood things.
do you comprehend that?
and it is not as though these are petty quibbles that have been fully rectified.
That's Easy!
Your God is somebody's mom, or perhaps your own mom, who may or may not be royalty, depending on the meaning of the word queen as used here.
Btw, who's the catholic/muslim mocker of Jesus that has all these different accounts in CAP letters and is inserting other peoples names in his/their own?
Your God is somebody's mom, or perhaps your own mom, who may or may not be royalty, depending on the meaning of the word queen as used here.
Btw, who's the catholic/muslim mocker of Jesus that has all these different accounts in CAP letters and is inserting other peoples names in his/their own?
H
my opinion... our god is not a secular division what many people say they are is not always the truth as they are unable to accept that fact. we all have a core belief system that is not entirely correct... but whenever you offend someones core beliefs if and or when defenses are raised combat is rarely the optimum path wherin we all have something to offer and receive from every soul we encounter.. and our god at the moment is usually the thought and mental status we operate in or are chasing to me a simple truth but believers are unrelenting in wanting to change others instead of learning how to truly love dicipline deciple and listen as we trust the one that knows sees and gives wisely to his servants
K
For starters, they have their very own Bible - The Catholic Bible. They worship & venerate Mary, countless Saints, they don't allow the Priest aka "Father" or anyone else who has decided 2 dedicate their lives 2 God 2 ever get married, have a family, etc. It's more like an organization that's solely based on very old man made traditions & rituals & they don't really promote the belief,the idea, the concept,etc of having a relationship w/God. They go against just about everything that is written in the actual Holy Bible itself. And if you're extremely interested in idolatry for starters, then becoming Catholic is the absolute best choice, hands down, for anyone who's passionate about it (among countless other very unpleasant acts of complete disobedience to our one true Creator).
K
I've always been told thru the rumor mill (as in not from any real live practicing Protestants) that they are quite different in many respects, except that Protestants are more like atheists than any other religion. But like I said, that's just hearsay. I do know firsthand some very sad & disheartening truths/facts about Catholicism as a whole & the Catholic faith because I grew up in it & about 95% of my maternal side of my family are very much still practicing Catholics. I'm sorry 2 say this 2 anyone, but I refer 2 them as the Dead burying the Dead. That's a huge part of the reason why I will never return 2 the Catholic Church nor will I allow my children 2 participate in the church.