When does the marriage supper of the lamb happen? Before, During, or after Great Tribulation?
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TDW: So, you are proposing a "down-up-down" scenario? That's a new one. 
EDIT: to be clear, I do not believe Jesus referred to our Rapture at any time prior to and including His Olivet Discourse, and only [may have] alluded to it in His LATER "UPPER room discourse" (just before His death)...
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!
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Christ gathering His elect after Tribulation.
Matthew 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those dayes, shall the Sunne be darkned, and the Moone shall not giue her light, and the starres shall fall from heauen, and the powers of the heauens shall be shaken.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appeare the signe of the Sonne of man in heauen: and then shall all the Tribes of the earth mourne, and they shall see the Sonne of man coming in the clouds of heauen, with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 And hee shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his Elect from the foure windes, from one end of heauen to the other.
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Shows Christ descending from heaven and those being caught up after He returns
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1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say vnto you by the word of the Lord, That we which are aliue and remaine vnto the comming of the Lord, shall not preuent them which are asleepe.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel, and with the trumpe of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine, shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.
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If you believe something other than that then it’s not scriptural.
Christ has a 2nd coming not a 3rd.
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Christ gathering His elect after Tribulation.
Matthew 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those dayes, shall the Sunne be darkned, and the Moone shall not giue her light, and the starres shall fall from heauen, and the powers of the heauens shall be shaken.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appeare the signe of the Sonne of man in heauen: and then shall all the Tribes of the earth mourne, and they shall see the Sonne of man coming in the clouds of heauen, with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 And hee shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his Elect from the foure windes, from one end of heauen to the other.
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Shows Christ descending from heaven and those being caught up after He returns
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1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say vnto you by the word of the Lord, That we which are aliue and remaine vnto the comming of the Lord, shall not preuent them which are asleepe.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel, and with the trumpe of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine, shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.
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If you believe something other than that then it’s not scriptural.
Christ has a 2nd coming not a 3rd.
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Matthew 24:29-31 is not speaking of our Rapture, but of the following:
Isaiah 27:12-13 -
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered one by one. [note: not "AS ONE" as our Rapture is!!] 13 And in that day a great [trumpet] will sound, and those who were perishing in Assyria will come forth with those who were exiles in Egypt. And they will worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.
[by "angels He SHALL SEND" to do so!]
So, this is a "Son of man cometh" passage (one of those in my previous post "LIST" re: His Second Coming TO THE EARTH [FOR the wedding FEAST/SUPPER/earthly MK age])
Isaiah 27:12-13 -
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered one by one. [note: not "AS ONE" as our Rapture is!!] 13 And in that day a great [trumpet] will sound, and those who were perishing in Assyria will come forth with those who were exiles in Egypt. And they will worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.
[by "angels He SHALL SEND" to do so!]
So, this is a "Son of man cometh" passage (one of those in my previous post "LIST" re: His Second Coming TO THE EARTH [FOR the wedding FEAST/SUPPER/earthly MK age])
Well absolutely, I had a chance to read all your post in this thread so I want to address some of your points. First of all, on what basis do you think Psalm 23:5 refers to the Lambs feast or supper after the "so-called" rapture?
It's obvious to me you did not read the context of Psalm 23. At vs1 David is praising God because he/David shall not want. In other words, God provided for David and God also provides for His children. The verse you quoted which is vs5 expresses the idea that in spite of our enemies God still provides. It also shows to our enemies God is on our side. And when David said in the last sentence of vs5, "My cup overflows." This means his cup even spills over with Gods abundance.
Also, if you would read Psalm 22 you would see that David was being hunted down by King Saul. Although David "felt" abandoned by God he really was not left alone to face his enemies. Even in this Psalm David ends up praising God for delievering him from his enemies. Psaml 22:22-25.
Now I have a couple of question (for starters) for an old hand like you that knows his Bible. This is what 1 John 2:18, "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist (singular) is coming, even now many antichrist have arisen; from this we know it is the last hour."
So, if the pre-trib rapture is true, why does the Apostle John (who is a very smart apostle btw) telling the Christians to expect the antichrist if the Chritians are going to be raptured before he comes? Matthew 24:15 backs this up if you care to read it and the following verses is what Jesus says we ought to do during this time.
Second question? This is what 2 Thessalonians 1:4-12 says but I am only going to quote vs5-6. "This is a plane indication of God's righteous judgment so that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. Vs6-7 "For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, vs7, and to give "RELIEF/REST" to you who are afflicted "WHEN DO WE GET REST OR RELIEF?" the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire."
Vs10, When He comes to be glorified in His saints ON THAT DAY, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed." So again, when do we "absolutely" get rest and relief mr. absolutely? Do you see the word "rapture" anywhere in the text? No!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It's obvious to me you did not read the context of Psalm 23. At vs1 David is praising God because he/David shall not want. In other words, God provided for David and God also provides for His children. The verse you quoted which is vs5 expresses the idea that in spite of our enemies God still provides. It also shows to our enemies God is on our side. And when David said in the last sentence of vs5, "My cup overflows." This means his cup even spills over with Gods abundance.
Also, if you would read Psalm 22 you would see that David was being hunted down by King Saul. Although David "felt" abandoned by God he really was not left alone to face his enemies. Even in this Psalm David ends up praising God for delievering him from his enemies. Psaml 22:22-25.
Now I have a couple of question (for starters) for an old hand like you that knows his Bible. This is what 1 John 2:18, "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist (singular) is coming, even now many antichrist have arisen; from this we know it is the last hour."
So, if the pre-trib rapture is true, why does the Apostle John (who is a very smart apostle btw) telling the Christians to expect the antichrist if the Chritians are going to be raptured before he comes? Matthew 24:15 backs this up if you care to read it and the following verses is what Jesus says we ought to do during this time.
Second question? This is what 2 Thessalonians 1:4-12 says but I am only going to quote vs5-6. "This is a plane indication of God's righteous judgment so that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. Vs6-7 "For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, vs7, and to give "RELIEF/REST" to you who are afflicted "WHEN DO WE GET REST OR RELIEF?" the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire."
Vs10, When He comes to be glorified in His saints ON THAT DAY, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed." So again, when do we "absolutely" get rest and relief mr. absolutely? Do you see the word "rapture" anywhere in the text? No!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Is this event at the last Trump? I have always believed so. And why do so many feel they should "escape" the trials of the Tribulation after what our Lord has done to save us all? Should we ask that the Cross be undone………..? No we are to be imittors of the Only One Who saves souls in order for others to see Him in us each.
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Well absolutely, I had a chance to read all your post in this thread so I want to address some of your points. First of all, on what basis do you think Psalm 23:5 refers to the Lambs feast or supper after the "so-called" rapture?
It's obvious to me you did not read the context of Psalm 23. At vs1 David is praising God because he/David shall not want. In other words, God provided for David and God also provides for His children. The verse you quoted which is vs5 expresses the idea that in spite of our enemies God still provides. It also shows to our enemies God is on our side. And when David said in the last sentence of vs5, "My cup overflows." This means his cup even spills over with Gods abundance.
Also, if you would read Psalm 22 you would see that David was being hunted down by King Saul. Although David "felt" abandoned by God he really was not left alone to face his enemies. Even in this Psalm David ends up praising God for delievering him from his enemies. Psaml 22:22-25.
Now I have a couple of question (for starters) for an old hand like you that knows his Bible. This is what 1 John 2:18, "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist (singular) is coming, even now many antichrist have arisen; from this we know it is the last hour."
So, if the pre-trib rapture is true, why does the Apostle John (who is a very smart apostle btw) telling the Christians to expect the antichrist if the Chritians are going to be raptured before he comes? Matthew 24:15 backs this up if you care to read it and the following verses is what Jesus says we ought to do during this time.
Second question? This is what 2 Thessalonians 1:4-12 says but I am only going to quote vs5-6. "This is a plane indication of God's righteous judgment so that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. Vs6-7 "For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, vs7, and to give "RELIEF/REST" to you who are afflicted "WHEN DO WE GET REST OR RELIEF?" the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire."
Vs10, When He comes to be glorified in His saints ON THAT DAY, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed." So again, when do we "absolutely" get rest and relief mr. absolutely? Do you see the word "rapture" anywhere in the text? No!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It's obvious to me you did not read the context of Psalm 23. At vs1 David is praising God because he/David shall not want. In other words, God provided for David and God also provides for His children. The verse you quoted which is vs5 expresses the idea that in spite of our enemies God still provides. It also shows to our enemies God is on our side. And when David said in the last sentence of vs5, "My cup overflows." This means his cup even spills over with Gods abundance.
Also, if you would read Psalm 22 you would see that David was being hunted down by King Saul. Although David "felt" abandoned by God he really was not left alone to face his enemies. Even in this Psalm David ends up praising God for delievering him from his enemies. Psaml 22:22-25.
Now I have a couple of question (for starters) for an old hand like you that knows his Bible. This is what 1 John 2:18, "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist (singular) is coming, even now many antichrist have arisen; from this we know it is the last hour."
So, if the pre-trib rapture is true, why does the Apostle John (who is a very smart apostle btw) telling the Christians to expect the antichrist if the Chritians are going to be raptured before he comes? Matthew 24:15 backs this up if you care to read it and the following verses is what Jesus says we ought to do during this time.
Second question? This is what 2 Thessalonians 1:4-12 says but I am only going to quote vs5-6. "This is a plane indication of God's righteous judgment so that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. Vs6-7 "For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, vs7, and to give "RELIEF/REST" to you who are afflicted "WHEN DO WE GET REST OR RELIEF?" the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire."
Vs10, When He comes to be glorified in His saints ON THAT DAY, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed." So again, when do we "absolutely" get rest and relief mr. absolutely? Do you see the word "rapture" anywhere in the text? No!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The table(feast) of ps 23 is in conjuction with enemies.
Table < > enemies
Table < > enemies
The issue with the ac and the pretrib rapture is not a problem
The tribulation period has the introduction of the ac.
He can start the tribulation and arrest us . the rapture can happen a few days,hours,weeks later and still be pretrib.
I think we all get to see the ac revealed.
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