When does the rapture occur?

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PlainWord

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Re: OOPS!

maybe you can convince PW. He thinks that the wheat and tares is the 1st res.

Pays to notice what happens after the mil.
HUH? Christ, the firstfruits, is the first resurrection. This means Christ and everyone He resurrected with Him, the OT saints.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father.

Notice that the second resurrection, if you will, are those who are Christ's at HIS coming. Then comes the END. It doesn't say, "then comes the Tribulation" does it???

Notice the below says "resurrection" singular, not "resurrections" as in before the Trib and after the Trib? No part A or part B discussed.

Acts 4:2

being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Notice again below, END OF THIS AGE, the age we are in now:

[SUP]40 [/SUP]Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, [SUP]42 [/SUP]and will cast them into the furnace of fire.

You don't preach that the tares are gathered at the Pre-Trib Rapture, do you???
 
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popeye

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I think a guy in siberia invented the postrb doctrine hoping it would either end his life,or get heated up enough so he could be more comfy.:D:D:D

Seriously,you postribs really reach,don't you?

You may one day find some obscure verse to take away some of the embarrasment.:D:D:D
 

PlainWord

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Oh,contrare;
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Are you a product of public education or what? Why don't you go back 4 verses so you can locate this after the GT where it belongs?

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Earth to Popeye, this is the Second Coming. He comes as a thief for the Second Coming as confirmed in Rev 16 and 2 Peter 3.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.



26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
All of this is Second Coming post trib!!!

Then you should have no trouble posting a postrib verse for us.
This would be a first indeed ,as in 30 years of debate I have yet to see a single one.
Step back from your mouse and read.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

GAME OVER!!! Man, this is some serious strong delusion you are under. The sky is blue, the grass is green therefore the Janitor went home early.:D:D
 
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popeye

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Re: OOPS!

HUH? Christ, the firstfruits, is the first resurrection. This means Christ and everyone He resurrected with Him, the OT saints.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father.

Notice that the second resurrection, if you will, are those who are Christ's at HIS coming. Then comes the END. It doesn't say, "then comes the Tribulation" does it???

Notice the below says "resurrection" singular, not "resurrections" as in before the Trib and after the Trib? No part A or part B discussed.

Acts 4:2

being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Notice again below, END OF THIS AGE, the age we are in now:

[SUP]40 [/SUP]Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, [SUP]42 [/SUP]and will cast them into the furnace of fire.

You don't preach that the tares are gathered at the Pre-Trib Rapture, do you???
WOW,on second thought,stay out of the word.:D:D Just kiding dude

You now have the rapture at the GWT judgement AFTER THE MILLINEUM.
OMG!!!!
See where that mess is taking you?????
 

PlainWord

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I think a guy in siberia invented the postrb doctrine hoping it would either end his life,or get heated up enough so he could be more comfy.:D:D:D

Seriously,you postribs really reach,don't you?

You may one day find some obscure verse to take away some of the embarrasment.:D:D:D
WOW:D:D! Christ invented the Post Trib Return. If you want to call Him a liar, don't let me stop you. It's your train you are jumping in front of.
 
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popeye

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WOW:D:D! Christ invented the Post Trib Return. If you want to call Him a liar, don't let me stop you. It's your train you are jumping in front of.
UH,sorry ,we both believe he returns postrib.
 

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[TD]Pre-Wrath ( Revelation 14:19; Revelation 15:6-8; Revelation 19:15-19 )[/TD]
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[TD]Armageddon ( Isaiah 13:15-18; Zechariah 12:2,9-11; 14:1-2; Revelation 16:13-14,16 )[/TD]
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[TD]Marriage Supper ( Revelation 19:21 )[/TD]
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No millennial earthly kingdom?
 

Elin

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You lost anyone with a bible at the "ad 70" & "past,present,future" theory of yours.

You would need an AC world ruler,REQUIRING the mark.

Not so. . .

You also need a "tribulation such as the world has never seen,nor ever will"
The worst is yet to come. . .
 
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flob

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that parable has nothing to do with a timing of a rapture, but is speaking of getting into the kingdom of heaven.
It touches the timing of a first rapture, since it shows 5 believers left behind. Additionally, Mt 25:1 begins "the kingdom of the heavens will be likened to 10 virgins." Yes 5 enter the manifestation of the kingdom, but all 10 are the Lord's children. (As also proven by the very word "virgins," 2 Cor 11:2, and the fact that they all have lighted lamps, Prov: "the spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord;" 1 Cor 6:17. They all have Christ in them.)
Lastly, it is speaking of all the believers who have died before the last 3 1/2 years. This is indicated by the parable: "While the bridegroom delayed, they all became drowsy and slept." Sleep is a figure of death, physical death. There will be two (main) raptures for the simple fact that 5 are taken, 5 are left (in Paradise, in death, below).





and the door to heaven was shut.
'Heaven' is not the issue here. It's not really an issue anywhere. All believers will be caught up, at the end,
to the heavens, or to the air, either pre-Trib or at the end of the Tribulation, to meet, and be judged by, the Lord.
Concerning the reward of the kingdom, or the punishment of the loss of it. The door being shut, later, to the 5 foolish, means that they miss out on living and ruling with their Lord for 1000 years. The fact that the 5 wise left first, shows that they were resurrected and raptured before the Tribulation, Revelation 12:5; Philippians 3:11; cf Luke 21:36.




The 5 foolish did not inherit the kingdom of heaven but were cast away by the Lord because they did not obey His teaching and follow the gospel message.
More precisely, it is because they failed to grow or mature in their Christian life. They didn't gain Christ, gain the Holy Spirit, the oil, in their vessels (souls) to accompany their lamps (their spirits). Philippians 3:8-13; Matthew 16:24-27; 1 Cor 9:24-27.




Those who wash their robes in white that come out of the Great Tribulation are unbelievers who come to accept Jesus Christ, not those who knew of Christ but missed out on the rapture because their full trust was not in Him.
I thought, to the contrary, that Revelation 7:14, refers to believers who were raptured before the Tribulation, based on the fact that they are before the throne of God after the 6th seal and right before the start of the Great Tribulation: the 7th seal.
This vision in chapter 7 accompanies the Lord's sealing of 144,000 Hebrews/Israelis, 12,000 from each tribe, on earth, to be protected from physical death during the Great Tribulation. The phrase that they "came out of the great tribulation," I understood to refer not to The Great Tribulation, but rather to their experience beforehand, as believers and often martyrs, during the entire church age. This is all based simply on the sequence and timing of these "inserted" visions, between 6th and 7th seals. Lastly, unlike to FancyNancy or most Christians, it appears to me that being reborn is no longer a possibility for people during the Great Tribulation. Only except for all Israel, who are born again at the end.






A pretrib rapture teaching completely denies and casts away clear words of the Apostle Paul.
For he told believers back in his time that were debating this issue to not be fooled into thinking it had already happened, for a falling away of the church into apostasy and the man of sin (antichrits) has to be revealed first. There will be no rapture (gathering) event before those 2 events take place
To the contrary, just as there will be an end-Trib rapture (of the large majority of saints), there will also be a smaller, "hidden," pre-Trib rapture of His overcomers. It will not be a big flashy sign to the world since it will be a minority of believers. This rapture of overcomers is taught by Jesus, Paul, and John, Matthew and Luke. Paul mentions the prize of the "out-resurrection," or the outstanding resurrection from the dead in Philippians 3:11. He also gives the clue of the pre-Trib rapture of living saints where in 1 Thes 4:13-18 he describes the end-Trib rapture as including those who are living who are LEFT REMAINING unto His coming. "Left remaining" is not a redundant repetition of "living," or "surviving." Since that is what "living" means. Rather it indicates believers who have gone through the Great Tribulation (cf Rev 12:6, 14; 14:14-16).

It is certainly true that Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 says that His coming, and our gathering, does not happen until the "falling away"-----a phrase I am studying and trying to understand---- and also until the man of lawlessness is revealed, the Antichrist. The church in Thessalonica was a brand new, young church, or young believers, and so this is one reason I believe the Lord led Paul to write about these things more generally, and not in detail as in Revelation. Most believers alive at the end will pass through the 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation
 

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Man,is postrib getting ripped to pieces or what?????

:D:D:D:cool:
Not until you address the clear and certain teaching of the NT word of God presented in the OP,
which you have yet to do, preferring your private and uncertain interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles, setting them against certain NT teaching, and which prophetic riddles others in the body of Christ interpret entirely differently.

It's not slam dunk until you deal with the certain NT teaching of the OP, no matter how marvelous are your private and uncertain interpretations of unfulfilled prophetic riddles.
 
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PlainWord

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WOW,on second thought,stay out of the word.:D:D Just kiding dude

You now have the rapture at the GWT judgement AFTER THE MILLINEUM.
OMG!!!!
See where that mess is taking you?????
That's exactly where it belongs on the very last day.

See Rev 20. The judgment is after the millennium. I know that Reading and Comprehension is not your strong suit my friend but again, please try to follow the order of events. I will hold your hand (as always) and try to help you not see visions between the lines:D:D.

[SUP]1) 7 [/SUP]Now when the thousand years have expired...

[SUP]3) 11 [/SUP]Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the 2) earth and the heaven fled away... [SUP]13 [/SUP]4) The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. 5) And they were judged, each one according to his works.

1) 1000 years have expired, millennium is over.
2) Heaven and earth fled away.
3) We have God sitting on the GWT of judgment.
4) The sea gave up the dead (oh no, sounds like a resurrection)
5) They were judged

What does Peter say in 2 Peter 3?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Oh no, Mr. Bill, the Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night and the heavens will pass away. But I thought you said in the Pre-Trib Rapture that Christ comes as a thief in the night??? But how can that be dear Popeye? If the heavens and earth pass away where is the Tribulation supposed to take place, out in space? Is the Millennium taking place on the Moon?

I think you need to open another can of spinach my dear friend.
 

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You can't understand Revelations without the Old Testament and the Words of the Prophets.

The Valley of Dry Bones. (Ezekiel 37) He is the God of the Living. People are dead in sin, and God consider them zombies. Notice all the Zombie movies lately?

(Isaiah 57:1) Do you breath? You missed the rapture.

There are layers to things, and I can't say other theories are entirely wrong.
 
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Tankman131

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Btw, the answer to the question asked in the thread topic...

When does the rapture occur? Noone knows the day or the hour, except the father but i sure think it couldnt come soon emough.
 
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Nancy:
So? Whatsyerpoint?

Those whose names were not wrritten in the book of life will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Those whose names are written there will not. We are witnessing the GWT judgment of all the wicked from all time who have been raised from their graves AS WELL AS all who have come alive to this judgment from the Millennium, some of whom will have received Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and will receive their reward.
 
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Thanks Nancy, maybe just one post more, to understand you.

Since neither Mt 25:40 nor 25:31-46, say "Israel," you mean the words "My brothers."
Since Christians are (also) brothers of our Lord Jesus, is it impossible that the sheep nations help
Christians instead? Or too?
I believe that the Jew is the primary focus of God during the Tribulation, but of course many Christians will receive succor during that horrendous era. Not instead, but too!

Is it fair to you to say that you are assuming that because you see no reason why it wouldn't be?
Or do you have (also) some verse that explicitly affirms it's proclaimed then?
The word of God says that the Good News of Jesus Christ will blanket the earth---through angelic power. I believe exactly what Jesus says there.

Does that mean those Gentile converts were or are raptured at any time?
And if some of the Sheep nations are not converts, then why are converts and non-converts grouped together in judgment?
If that question doesn't make sense, I'm sure you'll tell me : )
I believe those Gentile converts will be caught up when Jesus returns bodily, along with all other Jewish converts, although Jesus will set down on the Mount of Olives, and pretty much all Jews will already be there, geographically, by that time, to greet their Messiah into the holy city, Jerusalem.

All the Sheep are believers. The goats are not.

Does "reverting back to the Law" = alteration ?
If the good news of Jesus Christ is good enough for Gentiles during the Tribulation,
then how or why is it not used to "reach the Jew for their Messiah"? In other words, why would "reverting to the law" be superior (for anybody) to the good news of Jesus Christ?
If you see my confusion, then maybe you can help me clear it up.
The Good News about the Messiah has always existed. There is no alteration, even when God again deals with Israel during the Tribulation and they are back to adhering to the ancient sacrificial system again. It always ever has pointed to Jesus, the Lamb, our Messiah. God, though the two witnesses and even the 144,000, will lead the nation of Israel to the true Messiah this time around, once and for all!

Israel should have not undergone the 400 years of silence from God until the Messiah came on the scene, but they were stiff-necked people. God stopped the clock on Israel when the Messiah was crucified, and He will restart it the moment Jesus catches away His Bride. God will then focus directly on Israel again, as He did before, with the Church out of the way, in order to bring His people to Himself.

Romans 11:25-26
I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters,[SUP][a][/SUP] so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say,“The one who rescues will come from Jerusalem,
and he will turn Israel away from ungodliness.



If some Gentiles are converted during the Tribulation, then what do you mean that 'Jews have His attention'? Isn't it equal?
Do you mean that more Jews are saved than Gentiles? Or......that converting Israel (as a whole) is harder work? I do think that it is 'harder work' in a sense.
I don't think it is equal. Some Gentiles will experience a conversion to Christ, but the focus on evangelization will be for the Jew. According to Revelation we see that the world is a hard place for conversions to take place. After every calamity we read the the entire world continues to decidedly reject God! (Reminds me of Pharaoh!) Israel is another story. The two witnesses will be in Jerusalem declaring the Messiah to Israel, and the 144,000 Jewish witnesses will be attesting to the truth about Jesus Christ also. Jews are the focus! Praise God that He abides by His won promises!

Thanks again,
brother Flob
You're welcome, Flob.
 
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God is not behind the Great Tribulation, Satan is.:D:D. Did you do a word study like I asked you to? The below tell you exactly who is behind the Great Tribulation. God allows it, but Satan is the one killing and persecuting Jews and Christians. Again, the Great Tribulation is the Wrath of Satan. God's Wrath comes after the Tribulation and is in direct response to it.

Rev 12: [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


The Woman is Israel and her offspring is the Church. Jews don't have the testimony of Jesus, the Church does.

Have you turned on the news in the past year or so? Have you heard of a group called ISIS? They have been beheading Christians by the thousands. Are you familiar with this passage from Rev 20?

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.

Again, it isn't the Jews who have the testimony of Jesus. You are watching prophesy be fulfilled right before your eyes yet you don't understand and you don't see.
I see very well, thank you.
 
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[TD] 457 B.C.[/TD]
[TD]The decree went forth to rebuild the city.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD] 445 B.C.[/TD]
[TD]The wall of the city is built in 52 days.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD] 405 B.C.[/TD]
[TD]The rebuilding of the city ends 52 years after the decree went forth.[/TD]
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[TD] 3 B.C.[/TD]
[TD]Christ is born in Bethlehem.[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]( Remember that there is no year 0. )[/TD]
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[TD] 30 A.D.[/TD]
[TD]Christ is crucified 62 x 7 = 434 years after the rebuilding of the city ends.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]( NOT 434 years after the end of the 7th week - look carefully at Daniel 9:25-26 )[/TD]
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[TD] 34 A.D.[/TD]
[TD]Daniel's 70 weeks end 70 x 7 = 490 years after the decree went forth. ( Continued next row. )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 34 A.D.[/TD]
[TD]'Times of the Jews' ends; 'Times of the Gentiles' begins[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD] 70 A.D.[/TD]
[TD]Abomination Of Desolation[/TD]
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[TD] 70 A.D.[/TD]
[TD]Great Tribulation begins[/TD]
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[TD] Dark Ages[/TD]
[TD]Christian Martyrs ( Revelation 6:9 - "souls under the altar" )[/TD]
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[TD]past - present - future[/TD]
[TD]Christian Martyrs ( Revelation 6:11 - "that should be killed as they were"; Includes next row. )[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Christian Martyrs ( Revelation 20:4 - beheaded for not worshipping the beast; huge scale murder )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Great Tribulation ends - Two Witnesses begin their testimony[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 5 - bottomless pit opened[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Witnesses Killed by "the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" ( Revelation 11:7 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Witnesses Raised ( Revelation 11:11 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Heaven / Temple Opened ( Matthew 24:30; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 15:5; Revelation 19:11 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]JESUS ( Matthew 24:30 / Mark 13:26 / Luke 21:27; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 14:14; Revelation 19:11-16 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Trumpet 7 ( Matthew 24:31/ Mark 13:27; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 11:15 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Resurrection & Rapture ( Matthew 24:31 / Mark 13:27; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 14:16 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Pre-Wrath ( Revelation 14:19; Revelation 15:6-8; Revelation 19:15-19 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Armageddon ( Isaiah 13:15-18; Zechariah 12:2,9-11; 14:1-2; Revelation 16:13-14,16 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Vial 7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] future[/TD]
[TD]Marriage Supper ( Revelation 19:21 )[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
ROFL is all I can say.
 
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WOW:D:D! Christ invented the Post Trib Return. If you want to call Him a liar, don't let me stop you. It's your train you are jumping in front of.
Jesus didn't invent the Post Tribulation rapture of the Church. Men who do not understand prophetic scriptures did. He catches His Bride away in keeping with the metaphoric ancient Hebrew wedding tradition...all scriptural.

However, Jesus does return to the earth to reign after the Tribulation.
 
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