When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

[Lucy-Pevensie]

God has deliberately invested his heart and his very reputation on this.


Ezekiel 36

21 I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

22 ‘Therefore say to the Israelites, “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: it is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone.

23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

24 ‘“For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.

25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols.

26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

28 Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God.


32 I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, people of Israel!


36 Then the nations around you that remain will know that I the Lord have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was desolate. I the Lord have spoken, and I will do it.”

 

[oyster67]

No!! Read the Scriptures I just posted. You are wrong!! The land was given to the Jewish people, who will repent and are returning to the land that has been theirs for a thousand generations!! It does not belong to the Gentiles!! It belongs to the Jews, just as the Word says. YOU are wrong! Nowhere does it say the church/ Gentiles inherit the land. Read the Word!

I completely agree with this.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I completely agree with this.

I completely agree with this 2

 

[Journeyman]

Ps. 105- 8 He remembers his covenant forever,
the promise he made, for a thousand generations,
9 the covenant he made with Abraham,
the oath he swore to Isaac.
10 He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree,
to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
11 “To you I will give the land of Canaan
as the portion you will inherit.”


Jeremiah 23:7-8 7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

8 But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


Ezekiel 28:25-26 25 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. 26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God.’”


13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people,I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 3 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.


Amos 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

No!! Read the Scriptures I just posted. You are wrong!! The land was given to the Jewish people, who will repent and are returning to the land that has been theirs for a thousand generations!! It does not belong to the Gentiles!! It belongs to the Jews, just as the Word says. YOU are wrong! Nowhere does it say the church/ Gentiles inherit the land. Read the Word!

I've read the scriptires you posted. They don't contradict what Paul taught from my point of view. They do contradict what Paul said from your point of view.

if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Jn.8:2:24 Ye are of your father the devil Jn.8:44 This is Jesus speaking to Jewish people.

And think not to saywithin yourselves, We have Abraham to our father Mt.3:9 This is John the baptist speaking to Jewish people.

They're right. You're wrong.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. Rom.9:6-8

Why are people blind to this? People who claim they believe in Jesus, but who refuse to acknowledge what this says, are doing great harm to the Jewish people.

This has nothing to do with the promise God made to nation of Israel

why can’t you understand that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The everlasting promise was made to believers, not Jews. I just showed you that from what the Apostle of Christ wrote. He's right, youre wrong.

You need to study the OT and abrahamic covenant man.
eternal life is promised to believers

the land promise has nothing to do with eternal life

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I completely agree with this 2

Me three

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I've read the scriptires you posted. They don't contradict what Paul taught from my point of view. They do contradict what Paul said from your point of view.

if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Jn.8:2:24 Ye are of your father the devil Jn.8:44 This is Jesus speaking to Jewish people.

And think not to saywithin yourselves, We have Abraham to our father Mt.3:9 This is John the baptist speaking to Jewish people.

They're right. You're wrong.

Your wrong

paul did not contradict those passages, he stated plainly in Romans 11 god is not done with Israel, he will bring them to repentance and he will remember them

 

[Journeyman]

This has nothing to do with the promise God made to nation of Israel

why can’t you understand that?

Yes it does have to do with the promise God made to Abraham,

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10.

Abraham understood the new Jerusalem is what God promised him.

You need to study the OT and abrahamic covenant man.

I have studied it,

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal.3:16

You say seeds. Paul said seed. Paul's right. You're wrong.

eternal life is promised to believers

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believedGod, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom.4:3

You say Jew. Paul says believer. He's right. You're wrong.

the land promise has nothing to do with eternal life

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Lk.13:28

By the people mentioned, thats the entire OT.

 

[Phoneman-777]

i am not interested in your contrived trap, so, i have posted concerning the real questions behind your intention.
if you had read my posts, you ought to have understood that by now.

Aw, c’mon, surely if there was such a deliverance and restoration in the Bible, you’d have found it by now, yes? 😉

 

[Phoneman-777]

funny that you would be willing to read a lot of text as long as it is spread out over a lot more posts.
picturing that, you would be seeing a lot more of my avatar -- so i can only assume that you love it ♥

thanks; that's wonderful

It’s starting to grow on me 😎

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes it does have to do with the promise God made to Abraham,

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10.

Abraham understood the new Jerusalem is what God promised him.

There are many aspects to abrahams covenant. One part is the land.

Rom 9 has nothing to do with the land. Given ONLY to Abraham Isaac and Jacob

I have studied it,

Maybe with your biases. But yu have not studied it.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal.3:16

You say seeds. Paul said seed. Paul's right. You're wrong.

Seeds. Is all the nations of the world

The SEED was promised land.

Paul is right, YOU are wrong, Because paul understood the two aspects. You do not.

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believedGod, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom.4:3

You say Jew. Paul says believer. He's right. You're wrong.

I said ALL believers were promised eternal life. You just lied about what I said. You just destroyed your argument. By proving you did not understand what I said.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Lk.13:28

By the people mentioned, thats the entire OT.

This still has nothing to do with the land promise

You are off context and prove you do not understand. Please stick to the argument

 

[Phoneman-777]

Wrong, God is sovereign you will read many times in the prophets that the Jews were delivered and saved from their enemies without repentance.

WOW! Chapter and verse?

 

[posthuman]

Aw, c’mon, surely if there was such a deliverance and restoration in the Bible, you’d have found it by now, yes? 😉

the sheep were scattered when the Shepherd was struck, and He gathered them together while they were still in unbelief.

He said to them, ​

“O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” ​

(Luke 24:25-26) ​

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Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, ​

“Peace to you.” ​

But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, ​

“Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have!”​

When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, ​

“Have you any food here?” ​

So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb, and He took and ate in their presence.​

(Luke 26:36-43)​

 

[posthuman]

WOW! Chapter and verse?

2 Kings 22:1

 

[posthuman]

2 Kings 22:1

i'd mention that you need to understand 1 Kings 13 ((and of course you also need to know all of 2 Kings 22 & 23)) in order to know why 1 Kings 22:1 fully answers your objection to @Evmur but those are a lot of words to read, more than several mini-novels, and i don't want you to be put out with the burden of all that text, you know ♥

 

[Phoneman-777]

Ps. 105- 8 He remembers his covenant forever,
the promise he made, for a thousand generations,
9 the covenant he made with Abraham,
the oath he swore to Isaac.
10 He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree,
to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
11 “To you I will give the land of Canaan
as the portion you will inherit.”


Jeremiah 23:7-8 7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

8 But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


Ezekiel 28:25-26 25 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. 26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God.’”


13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people,I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 3 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.


Amos 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

You missed the part where God says, "...regardless if they repent first of not."

Oh, that's not found anywhere in Scripture, is it?

Do you know what is? "If My people will humble themselves....then I will hear from heaven..." Curious thing about all those "if/then" passages: they denote conditions which must be met.

 

[Phoneman-777]

2 Kings 22:1

Good gravy, man! I asked you for a chapter and verse where God gathered Israel back to their land after scattering them for disobedience, without them first having repented.

This entire chapter is about God sending a ginormous evil to punish and scatter Israel without any mention of a promise to gather them in a state of rebellion back to the land!

 

[Phoneman-777]

the sheep were scattered when the Shepherd was struck, and He gathered them together while they were still in unbelief.

He said to them, ​

“O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” ​

(Luke 24:25-26) ​

What's two guys from Emmaus have to do with an entire nation that was screaming "crucify Him" a few hours before? I asked you for just one verse where God gathered them after scattering them without them first having repented? Are you aware that in just a few years, the entire nation would be permanently scattered and lost in the murky waters of the global gene pool? You're really grasping at straws. ​

​

Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, ​

“Peace to you.” ​

But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, ​

“Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have!”​

When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, ​

“Have you any food here?” ​

So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb, and He took and ate in their presence.​

(Luke 26:36-43) ​

Again, at the time of Jesus, Israel was already in the land but would soon have the hammer drop on them because of rejecting Jesus. More square pegs in round holes, friend ​

 

[posthuman]

Good gravy, man! I asked you for a chapter and verse where God gathered Israel back to their land after scattering them for disobedience, without them first having repented.

This entire chapter is about God sending a ginormous evil to punish and scatter Israel without any mention of a promise to gather them in a state of rebellion back to the land!

no, you asked Evmur for chapter-and-verse of God saving Israel from her enemies while they were unrepentant.

Josiah was prophesied by name to appear and become king in 1 Kings 13. you need to understand what 1 Kings 13 is about, how it is a picture of Christ/antichrist and salvation.
and i gave you 2 Kings 22:1, which is that Josiah became king over an idolatrous people.
and 2 Kings 22:20 is that the judgement He had prepared for Judah would not come while Josiah was king. they were saved from their enemies while this king was with them.
you need to understand how Josiah is a picture of Christ.


'the entire chapter' is not about the destruction He will chastise them with. verses 16 & 17 are. 2 out of 20 verses do not comprise the entire chapter, even if they are the only 2 you read.
you need to understand a lot more Bible than those 2 verses to see the significance of Josiah, who btw was repentant, himself, as no other king has ever been. you need to understand Genesis 18, too. how many Messianic Jews are there in Israel? 30,000? is that more than ten?