When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What ALL Happened to the USA?

[Mitspa]

Illegal discrimination is the same to me.

No one has a special right to protected sexual perversions, until now anyway.
The honorable and moral position that all races are equal is in perfect agreement with Christ. The idea that sexual perversions should be given special protection and approval is a complete contradiction of all morality.

 

[Mitspa]

I would have thought thieves and paedohpiles are in a different category to gays from the perspective of legal jurisprudence for the reason that homosexuality itself is a 'victimless crime', whereas the others necessarily require a victim.

And, of course, the other issue is that in both the case of hiring a thief or a pedohpile, in most cases (depending on your jurisdiction), you are not actually prevented from doing so. Certainly, there is no case where a persons record for theft would inherently prevent you from employing them, except maybe legal professions, law enforcement, etc.

In Australia, it's not unlawful to discriminate against people on the basis of a criminal record, but doing so can mean your case is referred to the Human Rights Comission and be obliged to undergo a conciliation process. Usually, the only time this would happen is if the criminal action is irrelevant to the occupation (i.e preventing someone from working in a supermarket because of drug offences) - in other cases, you are generally ok to discriminate on the basis of a criminal record that relates to the job they are applying for, within reason, but you are not required to.

There are specific protections prevent child sex offenders from working with children in most states, and various protections relating to law enforcement occupations, political office, etc but otherwise, there is nothing actively preventing you from employing a criminal.

Personally, I would have no issue employing a convicted thief in my jewellery store (if I had one), depending on when they were convicted, the nature of the crime, their other qualifications, and my own appraisal of their character. Certainly, it doesn't incentivise ex convicts becoming functioning members of society if they can't gain lawful employment.

All of which is to say - there are reasons why criminals can be discriminated against (namely recidivism and creating opportunity for further criminal acts against others), and even then they can only be discriminated against in certain circumstances - they can't be prevented from gaining employment in toto. I'm not sure the same argument can be applied to homosexuals in a legal sense, no matter what we think in a religious sense.

I'd actually be interested in finding out more about outcomes in other countries that have legalised same sex marriage (particularly the likes of Belgium and the Netherlands, who have had it for the better part of ten years now), and what the run off effects have been. Not sure how to go about finding that out, though.

If you believe the bible its not a victimless crime? The fact that the prostitute and John are happy about their crime, don't make any less immoral or illegal.
Now all law comes from the moral concerns of a society and in our form of constitutional government, this means the people decide what is best for our society and have right to make laws based on their moral concerns for the society as a whole. This process has recently been overturned by a group of ungodly and immoral people in our courts.

 

[Mitspa]

It's not that being gay and being Black is the same thing, it's what the Supreme Court did that is the same thing. They went went above the state's head and "created law" (interpreted law) that went against certain state's marriage requirements/definitions.

Are you familiar with Loving v. Virginia? The Supreme Court did the same exact thing. No one had a problem with them "creating" law then.

No im not familiar with that case and I don't see pointing to one error to justify another error as sound logic.

 

[kaylagrl]

If you believe the bible its not a victimless crime? The fact that the prostitute and John are happy about their crime, don't make any less immoral or illegal.
Now all law comes from the moral concerns of a society and in our form of constitutional government, this means the people decide what is best for our society and have right to make laws based on their moral concerns for the society as a whole. This process has recently been overturned by a group of ungodly and immoral people in our courts.

You said the exact thing I was about to say.Thanks for posting.

 

[JackH]

No one has a special right to protected sexual perversions, until now anyway.
The honorable and moral position that all races are equal is in perfect agreement with Christ. The idea that sexual perversions should be given special protection and approval is a complete contradiction of all morality.

There was a time not too long ago when certain acts between husband and wife were illegal in some states.

Many self-righteous Christian hypocrites considered those acts to be perversions.

Lawrence v. Texas struck down all those laws.

Obviously, you missed my point about the Supreme Court revoking the tax-exemption of Bob Jones University because it barred interracial dating.

 

[Mitspa]

There was a time not too long ago when certain acts between husband and wife were illegal in some states.

Many self-righteous Christian hypocrites considered those acts to be perversions.

Lawrence v. Texas struck down all those laws.

Obviously, you missed my point about the Supreme Court revoking the tax-exemption of Bob Jones University because it barred interracial dating.

Yes of course I missed your point because its not related to the issue of sexual perversion. And the fact that certain things was considered sexual perversion by law but the law has changed does not change the moral standards of God.

 

[JackH]

Yes of course I missed your point because its not related to the issue of sexual perversion. And the fact that certain things was considered sexual perversion by law but the law has changed does not change the moral standards of God.

If you are the expert on sexual perversion that you claim to be, please explain to me what the word "fornication" means.

I'm talking specifics.

What is fornication and what isn't?

 

[Sub-Zero]

No im not familiar with that case and I don't see pointing to one error to justify another error as sound logic.

What is the error? Going over the state's head? That was kind of the design of the 3-headed monster that is our government.

Wrong or right, it was completely legitimate.

 

[Mitspa]

If you are the expert on sexual perversion that you claim to be, please explain to me what the word "fornication" means.

I'm talking specifics.

What is fornication and what isn't?

Where did I claim to be an expert? LOL Don't have to be an expert to understand what the bible and nature itself declares as a perversion...

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

And the term translated as fornication from the Greek would best be described as a sexual act out side of God ordained marriage ..this is pretty basic knowledge also.

 

[Mitspa]

What is the error? Going over the state's head? That was kind of the design of the 3-headed monster that is our government.

Wrong or right, it was completely legitimate.

Like I said...I don't know the case or errors involved in the case, but no matter what it don't mean we should approve and promote sexual perversion in our society.

 

[JackH]

And the term translated as fornication from the Greek would best be described as a sexual act out side of God ordained marriage ..this is pretty basic knowledge also.

That is how YOU define fornication.

Prove that all sex outside of a God-ordained marriage is fornication.

Let's take a widower and a widow who decide to you know what.

Prove that is fornication and sinful behavior.

 

[Mitspa]

That is how YOU define fornication.

Prove that all sex outside of a God-ordained marriage is fornication.

Let's take a widower and a widow who decide to you know what.

Prove that is fornication and sinful behavior.

Dude this is a Christian forum...most folks here have enough biblical knowledge to understand the points I have made and know what these terms mean.....so im not playing the word game...if you have a point to make about fornication or whatever...make it!

 

[SolidGround]

That is how YOU define fornication.

Prove that all sex outside of a God-ordained marriage is fornication.

Let's take a widower and a widow who decide to you know what.

Prove that is fornication and sinful behavior.

Then how does a heathen define fornication?
What rubbish.
If a widower and a widow have relations, they are committing fornication... but not adultery.
By OT law, they are considered married now that they have consummated, but must offer a sacrifice to officiate it, due to the way they came together. By NT principle, they are to make their marriage known to the Assembly.

 

[VCO]

According to the word/teaching of GOD, through Apostle Paul, we are not to take our 'spiritual' family matters to the court of the Gentiles/sinners. But to settle them ourselves when one day we are going to judge angels.

And also the world's sin is, 'They did not believe in ME (JESUS the Gospel of Salvation).'

GOD bless them in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

I grew up on a farm, and I learned a very valuable lesson about feeding the unsaved spiritual food, from how I fed the pigs.

For those who did not grow up on a farm, a Pigsty is puddle where there the pigs love to wallow in the mud, but they pee and poop, in it too, so it STINKS to high heaven. What spiritual witnessing lesson did I learn from feeding those pigs. YOU DO NOT CRAWL INTO TO THE PIGSTY TO FEED THE PIGS. YOU POUR THE FOOD IN FROM THE OUTSIDE. The same is true about Witnessing to the unsaved. You do not involve yourself in their lifestyle, you simply pour the spiritual food in from outside their sinful lifestyle.

 

[just-me]

I grew up on a farm, and I learned a very valuable lesson about feeding the unsaved spiritual food, from how I fed the pigs.

For those who did not grow up on a farm, a Pigsty is puddle where there the pigs love to wallow in the mud, but they pee and poop, in it too, so it STINKS to high heaven. What spiritual witnessing lesson did I learn from feeding those pigs. YOU DO NOT CRAWL INTO TO THE PIGSTY TO FEED THE PIGS. YOU POUR THE FOOD IN FROM THE OUTSIDE. The same is true about Witnessing to the unsaved. You do not involve yourself in their lifestyle, you simply pour the spiritual food in from outside their sinful lifestyle.

I grew up on a farm also. What you say is true. They also like to eat garbage like what you take from the garden, then eat what is good, and throw the rest to the hogs. Sweet corncobs are the favorite it seems. If that is parallel with the way some people are in metaphor, it's no wonder that pigs are classified as unclean in the Bible. We raised them also.

 

[VCO]

That is how YOU define fornication.

Prove that all sex outside of a God-ordained marriage is fornication.

Let's take a widower and a widow who decide to you know what.

Prove that is fornication and sinful behavior.

Genesis 2:24 (ASV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 7:12-17 (GW)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I (not the Lord) say to the rest of you: If any Christian man is married to a woman who is an unbeliever, and she is willing to live with him, he should not divorce her.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] If any Christian woman is married to a man who is an unbeliever, and he is willing to live with her, she should not divorce her husband.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Actually, the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and an unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise, their children would be unacceptable {to God}, but now they are acceptable to him.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if the unbelieving partners leave, let them go. Under these circumstances a Christian man or Christian woman is not bound {by a marriage vow}. God has called you to live in peace.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] How do you as a wife know whether you will save your husband? How do you as a husband know whether you will save your wife?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Everyone should live the life that the Lord gave him when God called him. This is the guideline I use in every church.
Hebrews 13:4 (ASV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Let marriage be had in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

1 Timothy 1:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed a detestable thing. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

 

[JackH]

Then how does a heathen define fornication?
What rubbish.
If a widower and a widow have relations, they are committing fornication... but not adultery.
By OT law, they are considered married now that they have consummated, but must offer a sacrifice to officiate it, due to the way they came together. By NT principle, they are to make their marriage known to the Assembly.

So, if two unmarried persons have relations they must offer a sacrifice to officiate it and make their marriage known to the Assembly?

So then they are married in the eyes of God and forgiven of their sin?

I think PETA would be real unhappy about this.

Recalling that Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman" I must ask what acts do you consider to be relations?

What about all the unmarried people who have relations and they don't offer a sacrifice to officiate it and make their marriage known to the Assembly?

Is their salvation in jeopardy?

 

[JackH]

[HR][/HR]For me I think a great deal happened.

GOD may have just washed his hands of protecting the USA.

We CEASED to be One Nation Under GOD.

I lost my pride in what the USA has become.

It will be hard to have the same deep sense of Patriotism that I once had.

The USA has become the leader of the world in the Great Falling Away.

The USA has become a nation that snubs her nose at GOD.

SOON pro-gay marriage people will be filing Law Suites against Churches that refuse to Marry them or refuse to permit them Membership.

My Flag now flies ONLY FOR THE VETERANS AND OUR SERVICE MEN, and no longer for the USA.

For the fist time in my life, I would like to live in another Country.

I guess you forgot that 150 years ago a war ended in the U.S. whereby Christian brothers killed other Christian brothers and the death toll was in excess of 600,000.

I guess you forgot that less than 100 years ago women were discriminated against much more than today and couldn't even vote on a national basis.

I guess you forgot that blacks are discriminated against much less as time goes on.

 

[VCO]

I guess you forgot that 150 years ago a war ended in the U.S. whereby Christian brothers killed other Christian brothers and the death toll was in excess of 600,000.

I guess you forgot that less than 100 years ago women were discriminated against much more than today and couldn't even vote on a national basis.

I guess you forgot that blacks are discriminated against much less as time goes on.

I guess you forgot that GOD DEFINED WHAT A MARRIAGE IS, and the Gay Rights movement with the help of the US Supreme Court's far left Democratic Judges, stole the title Marriage, and redefined GOD's Definition of what a Marriage is.

 

[bondservant]

Saints I have a true story ..a friend of mine was asked To go to a certain part of India to speak he is a christian that travels and debates these issues. Anyways after the conference a man came up to him and asked him to go to a certain part of town to show him something. He agreed and went to this place where business men and women from all over the world travel to do their dirty deeds. The shocking truth he had witnessed was that these business people were buying 6 to8 month old babies to have their way with them. The man that brought him there after explaining about the police turning the other way for the love of money asked him this question. .........which is the worst sin ..The ones that do or the ones that provide?