When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What ALL Happened to the USA?

[SolidGround]

Guess we'll just have to agree to differ, Solid.
To you it must be religious. To others, not so.

And you do not have a right to dictate to those whose views differ from yours.

What is the point of marriage then, to you?
How does it differ from a civil union?
Why do you feel that marriage is something that should be governmentally sanctioned, rather than religiously?

You do not have answers, because none exist.
Marriage is USELESS if not attached to religion.
Without religion and law, it holds NO meaning.
The legal meaning is achieved in civil union. The religious, only through religion.

 

[SolidGround]

The reason gays want to "marry" is not for legal reasons, as a civil union grants all the same rights. (If it doesn't, then it should... which is the point of my argument.)
It is not for social reasons, as they could just throw an extravagant party in honor of their relationship.

They want God to accept their relationship.
That is the only reason to have a marriage.

 

[Sub-Zero]

The reason gays want to "marry" is not for legal reasons, as a civil union grants all the same rights. (If it doesn't, then it should... which is the point of my argument.)
It is not for social reasons, as they could just throw an extravagant party in honor of their relationship.

They want God to accept their relationship.
That is the only reason to have a marriage.

I'm not sure if you'll find many pro-gay marriage supporters who sincerely think the court's ruling will make God accept their relationship. I don't see the linkage whatsoever.

I think to religious people, the term "marriage" is a covenant between a couple and God (and the state); to non-religious people, the term "marriage" is a civil matter between 2 people and the state.

From the court's point of view, we learned from our mistake of "separate but equal" in regards to "civil unions" and traditional marriage. If the court/government incorporate "marriages" in legislation, then they need to be fair for all people. It's not the government's responsibility to be the moral police. Morals start from within the home, not from within the government.

 

[Angela53510]

Sorry, it was the American College of Pediatricians who came out and said same sex marriage is bad for children:

American College of Pediatricians on Same-Sex Marriage Ruling: ‘A Tragic Day for America’s Children’ - Breitbart

"The College itself has maintained that a significant body of research has demonstrated that “same-sex marriage deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father, and is therefore harmful.”

 

[Elysian]

I most certainly DID read your post but fear you are are not on solid ground.
If you believe even slightly in freedom, let alone in equality or fairness, how could you insist that only churches should be able to marry people.

Are you saying that the many millions of non-churchgoers do not have the right to wed ?
Or that they should be hypocrites and go through a process in which they do not believe ?


If I have misunderstood your point, perhaps you could make it clearer for this poor dumb Aussie.

As I have said before a man and woman do not need the permission of the state to marry in the eyes of God(only homosexuals need that as the state is their god), neither do Christians need a Church,please check your bible.

 

[ChristianUk13]

[HR][/HR]For me I think a great deal happened.

GOD may have just washed his hands of protecting the USA.

We CEASED to be One Nation Under GOD.

I lost my pride in what the USA has become.

It will be hard to have the same deep sense of Patriotism that I once had.

The USA has become the leader of the world in the Great Falling Away.

The USA has become a nation that snubs her nose at GOD.

SOON pro-gay marriage people will be filing Law Suites against Churches that refuse to Marry them or refuse to permit them Membership.

My Flag now flies ONLY FOR THE VETERANS AND OUR SERVICE MEN, and no longer for the USA.

For the fist time in my life, I would like to live in another Country.


Isaiah 5:20-21 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!



2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Here's what that the gay marriage June 26 2015 Supreme Court ruling actually stated. "Held: The Fourteenth Amendment requires a State to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-State. Pp. 3–28:" OBERGEFELL ET AL. v. HODGES, DIRECTOR, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, ET AL. (Supreme Court, June 26 2015). "

Ok here is my view. The gay marriage ruling at the Supreme Court only relates to current gay marriage/ gay marriage certificates. The states where it is illegal to have gay marriages are still illegal to perform gay marriages. Pastors and church in states where gay marriage is illegal will not be sued. Pastors do not therefore have to perform gay marriages. The law which protect these pastors and churches is by the federal law defence: Defence of Marriage Act 2013.

 

[Elysian]

Sorry, it was the American College of Pediatricians who came out and said same sex marriage is bad for children:

American College of Pediatricians on Same-Sex Marriage Ruling: ‘A Tragic Day for America’s Children’ - Breitbart

"The College itself has maintained that a significant body of research has demonstrated that “same-sex marriage deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father, and is therefore harmful.”

Yep,even Blind Freddy can work that one out and only a true imbecile would disagree.

 

[Mitspa]

Most gays know in their own conscience, that they are living in sin and are desperate to silence that conscience to the judgment that will come to them. This is why they are so desperate to have others approve their sin and are so militant in the advancement of their perversions. They "need" the government and religion to approve them, they are desperate to kill the guilt they feel.

 

[VCO]

I'm not sure if you'll find many pro-gay marriage supporters who sincerely think the court's ruling will make God accept their relationship. I don't see the linkage whatsoever.

I think to religious people, the term "marriage" is a covenant between a couple and God (and the state); to non-religious people, the term "marriage" is a civil matter between 2 people and the state.

From the court's point of view, we learned from our mistake of "separate but equal" in regards to "civil unions" and traditional marriage. If the court/government incorporate "marriages" in legislation, then they need to be fair for all people. It's not the government's responsibility to be the moral police. Morals start from within the home, not from within the government.

NO, I do not think it really was about being accepted by GOD, nor to obtain equal civil rights. It was all about FORCING the CHURCHES and CHRISTIANS to stop telling them that they were living in SIN. THAT is why, having the same rights as Marriage, but calling it a Domestic Union, was NOT good enough for them. I still think in the near future, we will see Churches being sued for refusing to Marry them or refusing to grant them Membership.

 

[Pumicestone]

As I have said before a man and woman do not need the permission of the state to marry in the eyes of God
(only homosexuals need that as the state is their god),
neither do Christians need a Church, please check your bible.

Just two things Elysian -

The wild, sweeping statement that "the state is their god" is just silly.
Apart from their sexual orientation, homosexuals are people - with the same range of beliefs and standards as anyone else.

And the part which I realize is hard for you to get your head around ....
there are billions of people, including some homosexuals, around this planet for whom your 'bible' means nothing.
In terms of the law and justice and fairness and equality and tolerance, those people are entitled to all the same choices that Christians demand. Including state-sanctioned marriage.

 

[JesusIsAll]

NO, I do not think it really was about being accepted by GOD, nor to obtain equal civil rights. It was all about FORCING the CHURCHES and CHRISTIANS to stop telling them that they were living in SIN. THAT is why, having the same rights as Marriage, but calling it a Domestic Union, was NOT good enough for them. I still think in the near future, we will see Churches being sued for refusing to Marry them or refusing to grant them Membership.

It's all about getting help with searing that conscience, the need to try and put the Lord in the closet, turn out the Light.

​John 3:18-21 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[JesusIsAll]

From the "demise" thread, probably should have been posted here, FYI:

Mikey the cretin, who must hate his own shadow, rides again, now the "Army of one" translates to the "Army of homo" one must suppose. Makes you proud to be an American!

In the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to redefine marriage in all 50 states, the Pentagon is now being urged to “cleanse itself” of chaplains who refuse to support same-sex marriage.

Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington.

Weinstein claims chaplains who are “maintaining the state of antagonism between their religion and the sexual/gender identities of service members” have no business serving in the military.

Pentagon urged to boot chaplains who oppose ‘gay’ marriage

 

[directline2iam]

Nothing happened to the USA seeings ALL sin is but common to man since the fall of A&E.

 

[Sub-Zero]

NO, I do not think it really was about being accepted by GOD, nor to obtain equal civil rights. It was all about FORCING the CHURCHES and CHRISTIANS to stop telling them that they were living in SIN. THAT is why, having the same rights as Marriage, but calling it a Domestic Union, was NOT good enough for them. I still think in the near future, we will see Churches being sued for refusing to Marry them or refusing to grant them Membership.

Once again, I don't think many pro-gay marriage supporters and/or gay people will think the recognition of gay marriage in all 50 states will silence those who hate/disapprove of homosexuality. They would have to be incredibly ignorant and naive to think it would cause silence. It's a juvenile argument to assert for why they want the same right as a heterosexual couple.

On the contrary, I believe they knew anti-gay marriage people would come down on them even harder... with more conviction to oppose and speak out against homosexuality and gay-marriage recognition (kind of like how you are doing now). A rational and intelligent person would have assumed that anyways.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Just two things Elysian -

The wild, sweeping statement that "the state is their god" is just silly.
Apart from their sexual orientation, homosexuals are people - with the same range of beliefs and standards as anyone else.

And the part which I realize is hard for you to get your head around ....
there are billions of people, including some homosexuals, around this planet for whom your 'bible' means nothing.
In terms of the law and justice and fairness and equality and tolerance, those people are entitled to all the same choices that Christians demand. Including state-sanctioned marriage.

Very well put.

 

[VCO]

It's all about getting help with searing that conscience, the need to try and put the Lord in the closet, turn out the Light.

​John 3:18-21 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NCV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Holy Spirit clearly says that in the later times some people will stop believing the faith.
They will follow spirits that lie and teachings of demons.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Such teachings come from the false words of liars whose consciences are destroyed as if by a hot iron.

 

[VCO]

Once again, I don't think many pro-gay marriage supporters and/or gay people will think the recognition of gay marriage in all 50 states will silence those who hate/disapprove of homosexuality. They would have to be incredibly ignorant and naive to think it would cause silence. It's a juvenile argument to assert for why they want the same right as a heterosexual couple.

On the contrary, I believe they knew anti-gay marriage people would come down on them even harder... with more conviction to oppose and speak out against homosexuality and gay-marriage recognition (kind of like how you are doing now). A rational and intelligent person would have assumed that anyways.

Do you even know that for the past 20 years some secular Law Colleges have been teaching classes on how to FILE A LAW SUITE AGAINST CHRISTIANS. The Supreme Court Decision only loads the Weapon that will be used against us, in their real agenda.


https://www.insidehighered.com/news...rriage-challenge-or-change-christian-colleges

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i...want-gay-couple-suing-church-for-refusing-wed

Millionaire Homosexual Couple Sues to Force Their Church to Marry Them

Protecting your church from the Gay Gestapo

It Begins: New Calls To Strip Churches of Tax Exempt Status After Same-Sex Marriage Ruling - Katie Pavlich

Washington: Now They’re Suing Churches | CitizenLink

What Does Today's Gay Marriage Ruling Mean for Religious Organizations? - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Archbishop Dolan: Gays Threatening To Sue Church Over Marriage Denials: Gothamist

Churches, Be Warned: Gay Activists Now Likely to Demand Chapel Weddings | TheBlaze.com

Left's Next Step: Sue Churches for Bigotry - The Rush Limbaugh Show

 

[JesusIsAll]

Do you even know that for the past 20 years some secular Law Colleges have been teaching classes on how to FILE A LAW SUITE AGAINST CHRISTIANS. The Supreme Court Decision only loads the Weapon that will be used against us, in their real agenda.

You almost have to wonder if such rulings are just a bone thrown to trial lawyers, as you know this is going to cause a rash of lawsuits. One must always look for a "follow the money" trail in this world, when morality is set aside, I think so much misery in history shrouded in excuses, the actual motivations some sort of mercantilism or official corruption, cronyism, some quid pro quo.

 

[kaylagrl]

I lost hope in the system years ago. Although I was all for gay marriage before I was saved. I don't think Gods going to punish all of America for something a few idiots did. Is gay marriage unconstitutional? or was that the whole fight? Our ancestors probably didn't have gay marriage in mind when they wrote the constitution. If God does punish us I hope he spares the faithful. Im not posting gay pride now Im suddenly the intolerant jerk. From what I know is Satanism has been a root of america since it began (Free Masons) America's done far worse then legalize gay marriage. Hiroshima, Nagasaki. We hide behind the title free country when in reality there are countries that are much more free then we are......that sentence was all over the place lol sorry I just have alot to say.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened because of Pearl Harbor.They attacked first remember.Gay marriage is an abomination according to the Bible. I think God takes very seriously what America has done.Between that and abortion. What country do you feel is more free than America?

 

[seraphprincess]

STOP IN THE NAME OF LOVE, BEFORE YOU BREAK MY HEART!

Homosexuality is wrong, just like sexual relations outside of marriage between heterosexual couples is also wrong, a sin.
Jesus Christ said if you look at someone lustfully, you have already sinned with them in your heart. We're all sinners. Jesus died to save gays and lesbians from their sins just like he died to save us from out sins. We are ordered to love God and our neighbors and ourselves. We must also love our enemies.

Love is the most important thing for Christians. Young people are deceived and seduced by the homosexual media. If someone has those thoughts, feelings and urges, they can get help before doing anything wrong. There is a difference between having an artistic temperament and certain hobbies, talents, style, looks, gestures, way of talking, etc., and really being homosexual. Some people are teased and taunted, bullies, and then the social gay recruiting media crowd convince teenagers that they are gay, that they were born that way there brain is wired that way, there's nothing wrong with it, they should embrace it and be proud. What a horribly monstrous lie from Satan!


People are tempted with all kinds of lusts, sin, immorality, evil, stupid and shameful things. They are afraid to tell someone else and try to get help to stop that sin because their parents or pastor will be shocked and angry, and a secular counselor or psychiatrist is no use because they are not believers. Going to the Lord, praying, reading, confessing before the Lord, keeping a journal, and it is good to find someone trustworthy and wise in the word to help, give advise.

Jesus told us not to judge or condemn, to look out for the log in our eye instead of the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye. I have been guilty of being hypocritical and judging other people in the past. God disciplines me. If you meet someone you suspect is gay, be nice, kind and loving. A lot of gay people suffer greatly, but in these days many people of all difference walks of life suffer. Sometimes suffering is a result of sin, other times there are people like Job.