when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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Ok @Gardenias
I really can not see why people can not see what I can ,,. Job in Job 1 did not fall for the temptation from Satan to curse God. Jesus did not fall for the temptation of Satin to bow down and worship Satan,. How can so many of you say these two scriptures applies to every Christian. Or that God can give Satan permission to come against Christians on the bases of those two scriptures that may well have just been for Job and Jesus., where by in both scriptures Satan is defeated. Makes no sense,. When will I get any sense around here.
I really can not see why people can not see what I can ,,. Job in Job 1 did not fall for the temptation from Satan to curse God. Jesus did not fall for the temptation of Satin to bow down and worship Satan,. How can so many of you say these two scriptures applies to every Christian. Or that God can give Satan permission to come against Christians on the bases of those two scriptures that may well have just been for Job and Jesus., where by in both scriptures Satan is defeated. Makes no sense,. When will I get any sense around here.
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yes you've said that over and over. i'm on page 7 now of you making that accusation, while i read through this thread.
that's kind of an important accusation for you to make, as it turns out:
perhaps if the gospel you preach does not provoke the slanderous accusation that this gospel means a person can & maybe even should go and sin all they want, then you are not actually preaching an accurate gospel.
we know that the gospel described in Romans is accurate.
the gospel in Romans makes people accuse Christians of promoting a license to sin.
Paul was accused of preaching that Christians should do whatever they please without consequence.
now, what is it about the true gospel that makes people react this way?
what is it about the true salvation that makes a person say wait, you are preaching that we can go on sinning??
that's a question i hope you will meditate on
that's kind of an important accusation for you to make, as it turns out:
And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”? —
as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say!
(Romans 3:8)
the gospel that Paul preached made people think he was promoting license to sin. perhaps if the gospel you preach does not provoke the slanderous accusation that this gospel means a person can & maybe even should go and sin all they want, then you are not actually preaching an accurate gospel.
we know that the gospel described in Romans is accurate.
the gospel in Romans makes people accuse Christians of promoting a license to sin.
Paul was accused of preaching that Christians should do whatever they please without consequence.
now, what is it about the true gospel that makes people react this way?
what is it about the true salvation that makes a person say wait, you are preaching that we can go on sinning??
that's a question i hope you will meditate on
I'm also here to put an end to his ways in the mind and hearts of his people, and have his filth removed from people's minds. And I will not rest untill his rubbish is gone.
we do not sin because an evil spirit causes us to - but sin in our own flesh rises up and does evil when aroused by temptation.
we have culpability: sin is innate in our own carnal man. no one is good, but God; this is what we must be saved from
"who will save me from this body of death? i thank God in Jesus Christ!"
we have culpability: sin is innate in our own carnal man. no one is good, but God; this is what we must be saved from
"who will save me from this body of death? i thank God in Jesus Christ!"
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Let me see, one teaching says: I have my fire insurance. I probably shouldn't continue in sin but what does it hurt if I do? Besides, it's so hard to keep on the straight and narrow. The other teaching says: If you don't keep to the straight and narrow your fire insurance may be cancelled. I wonder which sounds better?
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with you till here, but i think this would be said better that a person in unbelief is condemned by their works because they do not believe -- because He says, whoever does not believe is condemned already, and Paul reminds us, all have gone astray; all have sin; there is no one who does good.
that's how i have understood propitiation - that He is the propitiation for the whole world, but unbelief is rejection (('they are without excuse')) of that propitiation, without which all are worthy of condemnation for our works, because no one is without wicked works.
so He died for all; He carried the sins of many
the conception of justice in scripture is not an Egyptian one, as of a balance between how-much-good and how-much-evil we have done, but instead whoever breaks any part of the Law is guilty of all of it. so no one is saved by works; works condemn all.
that's how i have understood propitiation - that He is the propitiation for the whole world, but unbelief is rejection (('they are without excuse')) of that propitiation, without which all are worthy of condemnation for our works, because no one is without wicked works.
so He died for all; He carried the sins of many
the conception of justice in scripture is not an Egyptian one, as of a balance between how-much-good and how-much-evil we have done, but instead whoever breaks any part of the Law is guilty of all of it. so no one is saved by works; works condemn all.
When we read passages like the one I just showed you, we must suspend our thought-processes for a moment and consider if we’ve fully under God the way the Bible represents Him. In my honest option your beef seems with scripture, but when the messenger shows you inconvenient passages you can’t resist but blame him., but it’s okay i don’t blame you brother. Growing pains are uncomfortable.
Romans 9:19-24 KJV
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:19-24 KJV
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
We all are osas! We are once saved what is Gods doing to us. Because of this we are always saved. It is still Gods work.
We are not able to deserve our salvation.
Of course our father sees our heart and our thoughts. He knows we are real or not. That what people cant see.
He has sealed us with his Spirit, what not means that we are able to live a sinless live.
I know that there is a big Disput between those which say you can loose your salvation and those who say you cant.
This Disput helps us not in our discipleship, because it gives no solution.
Romans shows clear what God says in this matter!
We are not able to deserve our salvation.
Of course our father sees our heart and our thoughts. He knows we are real or not. That what people cant see.
He has sealed us with his Spirit, what not means that we are able to live a sinless live.
I know that there is a big Disput between those which say you can loose your salvation and those who say you cant.
This Disput helps us not in our discipleship, because it gives no solution.
Romans shows clear what God says in this matter!
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Bye'bye. PRAYER:
May your eyes be opened to the light, ,for it chases the darkness away.
May the Spirit get in your ears and whisper.....to drown out the roar of Satan.
May the fear in your heart pull you tighter into Jesus embrace.
May he grant you and yours with the avenue to fall on your face at his feet and WORSHIP him.
Peace
While it's true that Job did not curse God, Satan did nevertheless destroy Job's family, health, and belongings. Do you think these matters are completely inconsequential? Satan was not defeated in Job's case.
As for your closing question, you'll start getting some sense around here as soon as you stop rejecting it out of hand.
As for your closing question, you'll start getting some sense around here as soon as you stop rejecting it out of hand.
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