when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

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Dino246

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well I know that in the beginning everything God created he saw that it was Good, meaning God did not create Evil. Which means also God did not send evil to torment Paul
No, that does not follow. God had a specific purpose in sending the messenger to Paul, which Paul himself spells out. Why do you speculate instead of just reading the Scripture and accepting it as fact?

so again I will ask the question why did the bereans examine Pauls scriptures everyday to see if they where true.
They did not know Paul and they were more concerned about being true to Scripture than believing a newcomer... and rightly so.
 
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I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,
ARE YOU joking?
God allowed even Jesus to be tempted.
What about Job...have you studied that ..."perfect servant" ....which God allowed to be tribulated?
Jesus said...you may pay a price for following Me....what do you think He meant by that.
Suggest you study scriptures.
 
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Eternal security is straight down the line biblical doctrine. Calling OSAS bad doctrine to be possibly banned is basically attacking the diety of Christ imo.

Wrong, wrong and Wrong.
OSAS is a great deception generated since the 1960's as part of the ...new, new age religion entry into the Christian world. I challenge anyone to produce a reference of OSAS in the christian teaching community before the 1960's.
That and many others have only been adopted under the heading of...."tickle my ears and tell me what I want to hear"..(end time prophecy) to include even baptism is not necessary......;... plus many more.
 
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Is OSAS teaching that a Christian is free to sin?
It is inferred....in OSAS application. Pure folly.

If it were true...why does God give us unlimited times for forgiveness of sin?
 
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problem is people confuse the being saved with being born again. we are saved TO be born again but that being born again experience is only happening in the spirit and will FULLY happen in the resurrection when we will have our eternal bodies.

so a matter of timing though some people expect it to happen instantly all at once. There is all that walk in between...and we will still face trials and temptations and yes we may stumble and even fall but most of us can get up again. Thats what faith is all about

We can be .... born again...here on earth.
We are saved when Judged by God after physical death.
 

de-emerald

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ARE YOU joking?
God allowed even Jesus to be tempted.
What about Job...have you studied that ..."perfect servant" ....which God allowed to be tribulated?
Jesus said...you may pay a price for following Me....what do you think He meant by that.
Suggest you study scriptures.
Hi peldom,. Firstly I don't recall speaking with you befor and I don't know you, but any how welcome to the study, I hope that we may study together, and if we do debate, we remember that faith is important. I have posted a thread called is Satan called the tempter or given the job by God to tempt somebody, could I ask you take part and answer the question with an explanation. Thankyou kindly, I will post the link for you in my next post.
 
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there is no need for you to make every thread in every forum yet another place to misrepresent me and try to spread your thoroughly discredited false teachings.
if it's what you want to talk about, go back to that thread and rant there some more.

this is off topic.
you are not adding value to the thread; you are detracting from it.
I misrepresent nothing. First you denied they were saints by claiming the wicked can partake of agape, after which you realized how ridiculous your idea was so you switched to defending them as saints who were still heavenbound, and then bailed when I showed you their "cold" agape made them more spit-worthy than the lukewarm Laodiceans.

Just own it, brother. You lost. You're found clinging to a disproven doctrine and you refuse to let go of it.
 

JTB

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"whosoever" can be equivalently counted by who is present or who is missing, if you know all people.
Well, when you think about it, doesn't the Bible say we are born innocent and remain that way up until the point we think we know enough to make a choice - the 'age of accountability thing'? From that viewpoint, yeah, I guess salvation is an 'opt-out' choice.
 
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JTB

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The problem is people do not understand the real point, you can't really be saved until you die, Paul said we have to run the full race. Jesus told his own disciples that they must endure until the end, that is why he FORETOLD them all they would die, so they knew their fate beforehand. He didn't want them becoming Judas like traitors. So, yea it is ONCE SAVED always saved, but you are not saved until you ENDURE to the very and, Salvation is contingent upon our staying true to Christ.
Very well put. I'm going to save and use that, it I may.

God repeatedly said perseverance is the key... not patience, perseverance.
 

JTB

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1. We are free to believe or disbelieve according to our own free will.

Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve

Deu 30:19 - "I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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2. Righteousness / Salvation is based upon belief / faith.
3. Belief and faith are not acts of works.
4. We are not saved by acts of works.

Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. “
4Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works. 13It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression. 16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that were not. 18Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”d 19Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It’s a gift of God and not of works, let any man should boast.

Acts 16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved”

Romans 5:1 "Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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5. Works do discern whether one's salvation is true.

James 2:
14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. 25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
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6. Once His, God will never turn us away because of our works.

John 3:15-16 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise [never] cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
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7. But we retain the right to believe or disbelieve.

Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve

Deu 30:19 "I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servant ye are to obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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8. By renouncing belief (apostacy) one can turn themselves away from salvation.

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world thru the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing to turn back from the Holy commandment delivered to them. What the true Proverb says has happened to them: "the dog returns to it's own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

2 Peter 1:10-11 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:22-23 In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister

John 15:1 thru 6 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

2 Peter 1:5-9 5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

1 John 2:18-26 18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
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Our salvation is dependent upon Belief and Disbelief, not our works. Salvation is not lost by works, Salvation is forfeited by apostasy.
 

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Growing pains maybe , but more like niggling pains now, 😂 your quoting philosophy from the thoughts of a person's mind to determine your belief, re read verse 22 it's starts With what if, which is philosophy. And as for verse 21 it says has not the potter, moulded some to honour and some to dishonour, what on earth does has not mean, surely you can see, has not means deception, and a question not a absolute.

There is a poem about the same philosophy which states I can't help the way I am I was molded from the clay paradise lost, and it's from Satan, who then gets other people to think the same way, Google a poem called paradise lost by the prince of darkness wrote by somebody I can't remember his name at the moment, wrote in 1600s known as the dark ages and at the same time when scriptures fell into the wrong hands.

Oh please please please man for goodness sake can you not see that the scripture you are quoting is philosophy from the mind of a person. Who may also be getting his thoughts deceived. There is no what if With God, you can't use this as absolute, to prove your own theory relating to other scripture,

This is a stab in the dark and nothing more it not absolute proof for this theory you've quoted, .

Ok I think I should probably explain the absolute truth about job 1 but I'm going to tell the story with a different insight and maybe the eyes of @Gardenias may be opened 😉🙏😂 hopefully if she will let me explain that is only if you want to hear it that is.
Paradise Lost was written by poet John Milton.
 
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and this is exactly what Satan is called in revelation, Satan is called the false accuser of God's children, that's his title given to him by God, which in itself is far from a title the other people seem to think that Satan has been given by God which is the tempter or the tester. These are names that Satan has been called not a title or a role he has been given as some would claim here. Satan being called the tempter just describes his character that's what he does.
Actually, I believe satan is just a bad ideology/idea. An ideology that was adopted
1) by a third of heaven.
2) by a Seraph renamed to a snake saraph in Eden
3) by a king from Tyre
4) by a fallen angel tempting Christ
An ideology that will be burnt with the bad ideas of "babylonian" christendom.