when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

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de-emerald

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Why would the saint choose to walk away? Even the pretender Simon the Sorcerer wanted Peter to pray for him to be spared God's wrath. Any genuine saint will hold fast to Christ and His salvation. But pretenders may not do so. Christians under Rome were willing to die rather than "walk away". So this whole theory is hypothetical and Christians should be focused on Christ, not walking away from Him.

Nobody can lose their salvation since it involves (a) the New Birth, (b) the gift of eternal life, (c) the gift of the Holy Spirit, (d) the gift of Christ Himself within, and (e) being "kept by the power of God". This is no ordinary matter, since Christ is involved at every point.

At the same time, God has ways and means of dealing with His disobedient children. And therefore He tells Christians to examine themselves. But the chastisement of believers is not the same as the damnation of unbelievers. Therefore it is Satan who is behind the false doctrine of loss of salvation. He would love to see everyone in the Hell created for him and his evil angels.
These are very good points, and hard to believe a Christian could denounce there faith, I know and hard to believe if they say the words i prefer to be an atheist after being a christian ,God would leave them,. Only God would know, I believe,

But you know the irony is the doctrin of you can lose your salvation is preached a lot more by OSAS than anybody else, OSAS is always preaching what will not gain you salvation and it's always directed at Christians here. I believe This is a form of works to I really do. Really I do believe OSAS really has cast so much more doubt than anyone else about losing there salvation more than one or two beliefs about denouncing your faith.

Now the same thing is happening with those who are now becoming anti OSAS, there now doing the same thing, and again all directed at Christians here.
 

de-emerald

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Two red x and it's the truth oh well I really suggest that Christians here start telling those who preach OSAS to stop working to gain favour by telling them what they must not do to gain salvation, it's a form of works and no different to works for salvation because there preaching this works of what you must not do to gain salvation everyday,. I suggest you see it it to. Because it's a spin from the devil to cast doubt into Christians minds, a Christian needs belief everyday to grow to overcome Satan not doubt of what they must not do to gain salvation, from OSAS, or doubt they will lose there salvation from OSAS everyday if they believe this way or that way, honest I really do believe the devil has created a spin with OSAS, by adding to scripture, because All Jesus says is belief and you will be saved,. Anything else is a spin.
 

de-emerald

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I think it's about time some of you need to start to spin the devil around I really do.
 

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i do not use the term. i think it is poorly phrased -- typically by 'once saved' the implication is that someone made an emotional decision at a carefully orchestrated altar call at one time in their life, and repeated some kind of magic-words-sinners-prayer or raised their hand because they were convicted by a compelling speech. that kind of thing is suspect. people can be easily manipulated into taking actions or making statements. this is not salvation; this is akin to voting for a secular political party. propaganda can make you go to the ballot but it cannot fundamentally change who you are as a person.

that is not what i call salvation. salvation is a supernatural work of God that literally changes a person's heart and thinking. i was transformed by God into an entirely different mindset and worldview. this does not describe what people who use the term 'OSAS' usually mean by it.

'eternal security' is better -- but i think it really needs to be implicit that we are not talking about someone only making a mental choice here, or agreeing with some kind of theology that was persuasively laid out to them in an emotionally-biased setting. we are talking about the Creator of the universe literally reaching into a person's soul and illuminating them, changing them into a new creation. when that happens, there is no turning back. even if i were to relapse or backslide or whatever, i know Whom i have believed, and i know He has bought me, that He owns me, that He will not discard me but mold me, through chastisement if He must, even through the complete destruction of my flesh if i am so obstinate -- but He is never giving up. He will not lose me -- He is the Good Shepherd not the worthless one. i am the worhtless sheep that He found value in, the whole field in which He perceives a pearl.

there is no doubt.
God is faithful -- i will live forever, because He has loved me
anyone who does not believe this?
look again in 10 million years. i will persist, because Christ is faithful.

@posthuman ...
I wanted to put a medal on this also , but I chose the heart , because this post reminds me that God loved us first , and He poured His love in our hearts , and this post is BEA~UTI~FUL , full of love that is in your heart felt words...
...xox...
 
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Two red x and it's the truth oh well I really suggest that Christians here start telling those who preach OSAS to stop working to gain favour by telling them what they must not do to gain salvation, it's a form of works and no different to works for salvation because there preaching this works of what you must not do to gain salvation everyday,. I suggest you see it it to. Because it's a spin from the devil to cast doubt into Christians minds, a Christian needs belief everyday to grow to overcome Satan not doubt of what they must not do to gain salvation, from OSAS, or doubt they will lose there salvation from OSAS everyday if they believe this way or that way, honest I really do believe the devil has created a spin with OSAS, by adding to scripture, because All Jesus says is belief and you will be saved,. Anything else is a spin.
As long as you continue to post false statement about those of us who believe in the security of the believer, you will continue to receive the big red .
Are you not the one who began this post by statement that security of the believer teaching should be banned?
 
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lol have you done any swats today haha,. I do believe there is a lot more to it, so would I be right in saying then that you believe God can send a evil spirit to keep a person in check,. This was the reason I brought it up, Paul wrote those words, but where they his thought or the evil spirits thoughts messing with his head, and Paul never had his swat stick that day. Did Paul just simply write that thought down, after all he would have kept a diary,. Quite often in Paul's writings he would just go into random philosophy. My fear is Paul's writing are not complete.

The thorn in his side he mentioned and torment are both thrase for pain and mental pain too. Paul was describing his feeling there but was he also questioning his thoughts or writing them out loud as they came into head, why is there no follow up to it. Tormenting means day and night. Wheres the rest of the writings
I need a zapper!

No, God does not consort with evil spirits. God turns his back to those who reject Him. Evil spirits are opportunists that fills the spiritual void, exploiters of the estrangement from God.

God compelled Saul to become an Apostle from a persecutor of Christians. I believe he had a compulsive vice he with which he was struggling. He prayed always (three times he prayed) to have it removed to pursue the commission peaceably. God said "My Grace is sufficient for thee". Service to God is it's own reward.

Galatians 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Massive flies! Paul must of gotten a super zapper.
 
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My mistake. I assumed that you knew something about God's word.

1 Corinthians 2:10-16

".......But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. “For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ."
1 Corinthians 2:14? Total depravity proof text.
OSAS? Unconditional election maybe? Or Perserverence of the saints maybe? or both
God permits evil spirits? God is not an author of sin...at least not proactively.
Dripping with condescension...

Hmm I have seen this before...
 

de-emerald

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I need a zapper!

No, God does not consort with evil spirits. God turns his back to those who reject Him. Evil spirits are opportunists that fills the spiritual void, exploiters of the estrangement from God.

God compelled Saul to become an Apostle from a persecutor of Christians. I believe he had a compulsive vice he with which he was struggling. He prayed always (three times he prayed) to have it removed to pursue the commission peaceably. God said "My Grace is sufficient for thee". Service to God is it's own reward.

Galatians 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Massive flies! Paul must of gotten a super zapper.
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There you go brother, now the best thing to do is see Satan as the spider who spins a web and you as the swatter who spins him the other way,. 🙏
 

de-emerald

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hi rose, lovely to see you, hope your we'll 😊💖🔥🙏👍
 

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your bias that you have here will only promote The doctrin of OSAS to carry on in preaching falsehoods,. The argument that we would have nothing to talk about if certain doctrins where banned is an absolute ridiculous appeal to make, for allowing them to continue. There never needed to be a doctrin of OSAS for born again Christians why does it need to exist, I mean it's pretty obvious if your born again your saved.

The theology of being saved is not what I'm calling for to being banned it is That God permits evil to use temptation or testing to see if a person will sin, also I'm calling for the doctrin that God promotes sin to be banned, which the bottom line is that theology exists in OSAS.. why because OSAS is very dangerous in the wrong hands.

I can also assure you if the doctrin I call to be banned was banned, you would have a lot more to talk about, because I know it can be spotted in other doctrines to, and I know it's key to winning the battle against the armies of Satan, which means we will have arguments wage against us like never befor, but at least in my opinion it will be an argument worth fighting, and not the one we currently fight of division.
I think when once secure always secure is undermined, that is evil. Satan has been a liar all his life. One such lie is when he thinks to convince Christians that their eternal security in Christ, as Jesus taught, is a license to sin.

While we're told in the Bible even Satan can quote scripture, it is a blessing that the poor fool is unaware of 1st John 3.
And I call that a blessing because those of us who are aware of the passage know Satan is lying due to that passage alone. When the enemy of righteousness presumes to denounce eternal salvation, which is what Satan is doing when he presumes to say once saved always saved is a lie, and it is obvious by the mere word, "eternal", he fosters that falsehood upon those who are not familiar with the 1st John 3 passage.
But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.

Personally, I find banning any topic in a discussion, generally speaking and not in opposition to what rules may apply here as pertains to banned subjects, is a mistake.
God given intellect is best exercised when we discuss that which we find to be contrary to what we deem is worthy of our attention. If we're opposed to a school of thought, but we know nothing of that school because we presume it is unworthy of our attention, we're not arriving at a rational conclusion. Because we've no idea what we're talking about. Rather, we're displaying our fear of learning about something we do not currently understand.
If it is false, it is best to expose that from our point of knowledge. Which can't be achieved if we refuse to engage.

The school of thought that is opposed to eternal salvation is an enemy of truth and the good news Jesus died to seal eternally with his holy blood. And it also revokes the promise.

Those opposed to the eternal security, eternal salvation, that is the Gospel should be confronted and silenced by the Gospel itself. Since it does not speak to them, they speak against it. As a Christian I find that unacceptable.

Eternal Salvation, and our faith, all irrevocable gifts of God, (Romans 11:29, John 3:16,) is not a license to sin. The Satanic teaching that it is, is precisely that. Satanic. Jesus didn't die to promote Satan's ministry. No Christian should ever stand for it to promote itself right before their face. Anywhere at all. Matthew 7:15-20.
 

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Eternal security is straight down the line biblical doctrine. Calling OSAS bad doctrine to be possibly banned is basically attacking the diety of Christ imo.
No OSAS in the NT! How is deny OSAS denying Jesus??? It isn't! OSAS is truly Satan's license to sin.
 

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It is not about bashing works, it is about denouncing the false teaching that works saves or is necessary to keep one saved.
To teach that that man must to this or refrain from doing this to remain saved is calling God a liar and is the most dangerous teaching on this forum.
Our work in the name of God are the fruits of our eternal irrevocable gift of faith and Salvation by God. Not co-concomitant in retaining our Salvation.

Salvation is a gift from God. Not of ourselves but by God's grace. I do not think it can rationally be argued we must then work to keep what we had nothing to do with being blessed with by God's grace.
 

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ok good brother shalom. I'm sorry for your hurt. I know how much much murderers and rapists can damage, people, but please can I ask you don't let them take away just how beautiful salvation is,
 

de-emerald

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No OSAS in the NT! How is deny OSAS denying Jesus??? It isn't! OSAS is truly Satan's license to sin.
Jesus preaches eternal security if you believe in him, he does not preach you will lose your salvation if you do this or that to Christians, which is what the doctrin of OSAS does, now please remember the difference between a doctrine and people,. A doctrine is not people, and it is the doctrin that is at fault not people, shalom 🙏
 

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If we don't have works we are Satan's children.
 

Duckybill

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Jesus preaches eternal security if you believe in him, he does not preach you will lose your salvation if you do this or that to Christians, which is what the doctrin of OSAS does, now please remember the difference between a doctrine and people,. A doctrine is not people, and it is the doctrin that is at fault not people, shalom 🙏
Satan LOVES OSAS! He wants our company in Hell.
 
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Jesus preaches eternal security if you believe in him, he does not preach you will lose your salvation if you do this or that to Christians, which is what the doctrin of OSAS does, now please remember the difference between a doctrine and people,. A doctrine is not people, and it is the doctrin that is at fault not people, shalom 🙏
You are so confused. You do not know what you are talking about.
 

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Jesus preaches eternal security if you believe in him, he does not preach you will lose your salvation if you do this or that to Christians, which is what the doctrin of OSAS does, now please remember the difference between a doctrine and people,. A doctrine is not people, and it is the doctrin that is at fault not people, shalom 🙏
No, a doctrine cannot be at fault for anything. People who promote doctrines are at fault IF the doctrine is incorrect.