when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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if you think I am bothered about your none stop comments to promote I am a liar. Your mistaken,. I suppose you have never ever told a lie , ? Would you like me to be seen as the liar who goes to hell too. ?
I am forgiven for my past lies by Jesus, I hope you are too.
So anyway when you get over your pride then we may have a chat, because it's obvious you are overcome with pride,. by your none stop personal attacks,. Maybe you will notice soon that when I get attacked personally I don't respond, then hopefully you will see I know how to not let pride get a hold of me.
If you want to have a chat quit the personal remarks I'm not your whipping horse for your pride or your agenda,. Of what ever is causing you pride. I am challenging a doctrine, not people so do save your self some further embarrassment and take notice.
I am forgiven for my past lies by Jesus, I hope you are too.
So anyway when you get over your pride then we may have a chat, because it's obvious you are overcome with pride,. by your none stop personal attacks,. Maybe you will notice soon that when I get attacked personally I don't respond, then hopefully you will see I know how to not let pride get a hold of me.
If you want to have a chat quit the personal remarks I'm not your whipping horse for your pride or your agenda,. Of what ever is causing you pride. I am challenging a doctrine, not people so do save your self some further embarrassment and take notice.
I can understand where your coming from, however none of your reasoning tho suggests that God would tempt you or test you, to see if you would sin, most of what you write is using philosophy and oxford dictionary to prove an ideology that has been floating around for decades, un- challenged.
Again for the saved in Jesus the spirit is saved, the flesh how ever is not,. We have not yet received are incorruptible body, the flesh will be tested all the time by Satan until we have, but not by God. Because God knows how week the flesh is, where as Satan who plays God loves a weekness, as God says if you give a devil an inch he takes a mile, The Bible is a full set of instructions to over come temptation, not be tested by it by God, the reason being that Satan is the false accuser of God children, setting them up for a fall to then accuse them for something he set up like in Adam and Eve and the reason why Jesus has come to conquer that fall.
Jesus said come to me my yoke is easy unlike the Oxford dictionary which has 2O meanings to every single one word, or a philosophy which promotes predestination or damnation or condemnation for a Christian.
hosea reads the same as the denial of peter, Jesus returns over and over again for his sheep who deny him. That yoke is easy.
Again for the saved in Jesus the spirit is saved, the flesh how ever is not,. We have not yet received are incorruptible body, the flesh will be tested all the time by Satan until we have, but not by God. Because God knows how week the flesh is, where as Satan who plays God loves a weekness, as God says if you give a devil an inch he takes a mile, The Bible is a full set of instructions to over come temptation, not be tested by it by God, the reason being that Satan is the false accuser of God children, setting them up for a fall to then accuse them for something he set up like in Adam and Eve and the reason why Jesus has come to conquer that fall.
Jesus said come to me my yoke is easy unlike the Oxford dictionary which has 2O meanings to every single one word, or a philosophy which promotes predestination or damnation or condemnation for a Christian.
hosea reads the same as the denial of peter, Jesus returns over and over again for his sheep who deny him. That yoke is easy.
I tell you what I really think all tho it will encourage you to attack me more,, so I doubt it will make any difference, when are you going to get over your pride and quit attacking people personally here.
You can't keep telling people how you think people think, people think for them self's not how you think they think.
You keep on attacking people personally, and always trying to prove sombodies attitude is at fault, no doubt you'll come up with an excuse as to why,. But you can't keep justifying attacking people's personal character or attitude with lame excuses, your excuses are waring thin. Your not setting a good example and some of your copy cats bizarrely have the exact same manner as you, it's almost like you have created more than one username here.
You can't keep telling people how you think people think, people think for them self's not how you think they think.
You keep on attacking people personally, and always trying to prove sombodies attitude is at fault, no doubt you'll come up with an excuse as to why,. But you can't keep justifying attacking people's personal character or attitude with lame excuses, your excuses are waring thin. Your not setting a good example and some of your copy cats bizarrely have the exact same manner as you, it's almost like you have created more than one username here.
Salvation in all respects is a gift from God (which I believe at some level you would agree with). However, anything outside of the gift that we perceive as necessary to complete it, is a work regardless of how trivial or effortless it may seem to us; that is, the gift alone initiates, controls and fulfills all of salvation's requirements -- it is fully complete within itself.
Your first bullet point illustrates this. Even choice is work and as such outside of the gift. Why? Because should it be required, it would be something to be accomplished by the recipient and not by God. Further and even more importantly, if needed, our contribution would make God's promise and His inheritance of none effect and therefore, null and void, which would be an absolute impossibility. Regarding salvation, we can only be beneficiaries of God's gift and His blessing.
Having said this, I would suggest you reevaluate your position regarding salvation to determine which parts of it are of the gift and which are not. Those that are not of the gift, are unbiblical.
This is not to say that those who have been saved should not partake and grow in good works because they definitely should: they are called to that. However, those good works are by-products from salvation, not contributary to it.
Your first bullet point illustrates this. Even choice is work and as such outside of the gift. Why? Because should it be required, it would be something to be accomplished by the recipient and not by God. Further and even more importantly, if needed, our contribution would make God's promise and His inheritance of none effect and therefore, null and void, which would be an absolute impossibility. Regarding salvation, we can only be beneficiaries of God's gift and His blessing.
Having said this, I would suggest you reevaluate your position regarding salvation to determine which parts of it are of the gift and which are not. Those that are not of the gift, are unbiblical.
This is not to say that those who have been saved should not partake and grow in good works because they definitely should: they are called to that. However, those good works are by-products from salvation, not contributary to it.
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I dare ya. 
Phone Emerald are mocking us. From start to finish. Read their vitriol, just their posts, not quotes they're responding to in any post on any page. But read that whole page of their posts. Just the two of them.
They're mocking us. And they're turning around, arguing to the contrary, what we present as Gospel truth.
They're not offended when we tell them they're going to suffer Hell as unrepentant sinners. Because they don't believe a thing we're talking about. Read them. It's obvious.
Phone Emerald are mocking us. From start to finish. Read their vitriol, just their posts, not quotes they're responding to in any post on any page. But read that whole page of their posts. Just the two of them.
They're mocking us. And they're turning around, arguing to the contrary, what we present as Gospel truth.
They're not offended when we tell them they're going to suffer Hell as unrepentant sinners. Because they don't believe a thing we're talking about. Read them. It's obvious.
The real problem is that too many really do not understand the basis of salvation.
Salvation is of the LORD, therefore no man can add or subtract from his salvation. Salvation (justification) has always been by grace through faith, plus nothing. And those who are genuinely saved will conform themselves to God and Christ.
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (Titus 2:11-14)
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. (Titus 3:4-8)
Christian good works must flow from genuine salvation, but they do not save anyone. At the same time those who are saints will strive to live like saints. If not, then they need to get saved.
Salvation is of the LORD, therefore no man can add or subtract from his salvation. Salvation (justification) has always been by grace through faith, plus nothing. And those who are genuinely saved will conform themselves to God and Christ.
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (Titus 2:11-14)
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. (Titus 3:4-8)
Christian good works must flow from genuine salvation, but they do not save anyone. At the same time those who are saints will strive to live like saints. If not, then they need to get saved.
When the Conditional Salvation crowd says "a grace-saved, born again, dyed in the wool Christian sheep who chooses to go back to living in sin will be lost"......
......the OSAS License to Sin crowd incorrectly concludes we've said their sin is what condemned them.
That's false.
It's not sin that condemns the saint to hell -- it's their choice to cease from abiding in the Vine. Sin is just the outward evidence of their inward choice, just as righteousness is the outward evidence of the inward choice to abide in the Vine.
......the OSAS License to Sin crowd incorrectly concludes we've said their sin is what condemned them.
That's false.
It's not sin that condemns the saint to hell -- it's their choice to cease from abiding in the Vine. Sin is just the outward evidence of their inward choice, just as righteousness is the outward evidence of the inward choice to abide in the Vine.
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(No problem, I didn't expect you to agree)
All work begins with choice. Choice itself is work because those who believed they are saved by it have had to manufacture it of themselves instead of it coming as a gift. While commanded to choose God, only those born again will/can choose Him vis-a-vis the precepts of His Gospel - but it is as a result, not as a cause. Those not born again will not choose God vis-a-vis those precepts (until and unless they too become so). For the one, confirmation of salvation; for the other, witness against them.
All work begins with choice. Choice itself is work because those who believed they are saved by it have had to manufacture it of themselves instead of it coming as a gift. While commanded to choose God, only those born again will/can choose Him vis-a-vis the precepts of His Gospel - but it is as a result, not as a cause. Those not born again will not choose God vis-a-vis those precepts (until and unless they too become so). For the one, confirmation of salvation; for the other, witness against them.
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God gave us marriage to show us what a relationship with Him is like, and I'm sorry that happened to you. However, I can assume you did not force her to remain with you, right? You asked her to stay, but she exercised her free will to leave. She did not surrender her free will at the altar, and neither do we in the baptistry. We can walk away from God as assuredly as she did from you, brother. May the God of all comfort bring either reconciliation to you both or peace to you.
Heavenly Father, please lead this dear brother's wife to look upon You in repentance and upon him with favor. You hate divorce, Lord, so please do what is necessary to restore what has been torn assunder. In Jesus' name, Amen.
Heavenly Father, please lead this dear brother's wife to look upon You in repentance and upon him with favor. You hate divorce, Lord, so please do what is necessary to restore what has been torn assunder. In Jesus' name, Amen.