WHERE DO YOU STAND

[PeterJens]

Our struggle is often against the sin and miss-conceptions that plague our hearts.

Our struggle is also against those who would ignore righteous behaviour, not accept sin matters, censor peoples right to point out failure and mistakes, encourage people to repress conscience and conviction of sin, push non-Christian theology and heresy.

The fruit Jesus talks of is the words and ideas that come out of the heart. If these words condemn love, call obeying and following Jesus evil, you have just met the anti-Christ and its spirit. However this spirit arises whether from left or right its aim is the same, stop the work of God.

But the Lord in His graciousness uses it to bring glory to His name. I saw it in disputes with non-christians and I see it here among those who claim to have real spiritual authority. You cannot deceive Gods people, but you can call them to war.

So rise up my fellow believers, put on the full armour of God, the breast plate of righteousness, the Helmet of salvation, the belt of truth, the shield of faith and the sword of the very Words of God, for by them you divide spirit and soul.

In these days great victory is assured for those who stand firm to the end, even salvation of their souls, Amen

 

[jb]

The Whole Armour

 

[Complete_In_Him]

Some great posts here, amen.

I add, cultivate the doctrine of charity, in liberal benevolence, "we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith", be mindful of the edifying of the body, above all things, because we stand in grace, we stand by faith of Christ, stand fast in liberty and preach the word of His grace.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

 

[ember]

I find it typical that people were rather discuss theology and try to correct what they think is my theology than PRAY

Keep talking but remember I told you

 

[ember]

Peter Jens go and crawl back under whatever sewer cover the devil let you escape from

 

[PeterJens]

Peter Jens go and crawl back under whatever sewer cover the devil let you escape from

Ember, thank you for finally declaring your stripes. You got to understand you have some serious personality issues, nothing to do with faith but who you are.

It does not help trying to justify it by making me out to be evil or some devil from the beyond.
I simply do not agree with you take on Jesus and spiritual maturity.

Is it possible in your mind the Lord has sent me to demonstrate to you, that He really loves you as you are, and you do not have to try so hard?

You are commanded to love your enemies. So please tell me how you can do that? I love you, though maybe not your spiritual teaching, but that comes from your odd take on faith, so I cannot blame you for that, it is not your fault.

By the way the Lord asked me to take you on, who am I to disagree with Him.

 

[3Scoreand10]

The whole armor of God is Christ Jesus.

 

[PeterJens]

I have a simple spiritual question.

I come to the Lord and walk in faith. I exalt Jesus and His word, walk in righteousness and love.
I then get haranged by "christians" who say I am wrong behaving like this.

I must believe and do all these other things, and deal with guilt and law this way and be all this stuff.
But I am fine with the Lord, I have walked with Him many years and brought people to faith, taught and encouraged many. It means these basics are deep within my soul. I do wonder how it came this way, but this is the Lords work.

So all I can say is these christians must be miss-guided. I am called a liar, someone who insults, a pharisee, a hypocrite.
They attempt to say I follow satan.

So I laugh. I laugh because these are personal emotional disputes and the theology very weak. But I praise my Lord because it helps me understand how to teach more effectively and see the errors many are leading others with.

So please bring it on, and see what comes, because I know, in all my walks, Praise has gone to Jesus.
May the Lord bless you, deeply and truly in His ways and love so that on that last day we might meet Him face to face rejoicing at being brother and sisters in the great Kingdom of the Lord, Amen.

 

[Blain]

I have a simple spiritual question.

I come to the Lord and walk in faith. I exalt Jesus and His word, walk in righteousness and love.
I then get haranged by "christians" who say I am wrong behaving like this.

I must believe and do all these other things, and deal with guilt and law this way and be all this stuff.
But I am fine with the Lord, I have walked with Him many years and brought people to faith, taught and encouraged many. It means these basics are deep within my soul. I do wonder how it came this way, but this is the Lords work.

So all I can say is these christians must be miss-guided. I am called a liar, someone who insults, a pharisee, a hypocrite.
They attempt to say I follow satan.

So I laugh. I laugh because these are personal emotional disputes and the theology very weak. But I praise my Lord because it helps me understand how to teach more effectively and see the errors many are leading others with.

So please bring it on, and see what comes, because I know, in all my walks, Praise has gone to Jesus.
May the Lord bless you, deeply and truly in His ways and love so that on that last day we might meet Him face to face rejoicing at being brother and sisters in the great Kingdom of the Lord, Amen.

Peter I have known you well enough to know that your intentions are pure and you always post such helpful scriptures and posts too, no matter what no matter if you are the brightest light in the forums if you disagree with people on here you will be attacked such is the state of the church in this generation.

Attacks will come names will be called even Jesus dealt with all this the important thing is to respond in a Christ like manner that is what makes if what they say about you true or not

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Take care [that] no one falls short of the grace of God; [that] no one growing up [like] a root of bitterness causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; Hebrews 12:15

 

[PeterJens]

Peter Jens go and crawl back under whatever sewer cover the devil let you escape from

Sorry to do this, but from your description I am under the devils authority.
But in Christ have you not victory over the devil, so why would anything I say have any effect on you?

I would suggest you mind is a little carried away with spiritual analogies, and you are in danger of destroying the faith you claim to hold dear. If I remember rightly your "husband" is not like you, or was that ex-husband.

By the way kicking ass on behalf of the hyper-grace community does not actually make you a hero, just a bully boy.

I remember meeting a few muslim "imams" who had written a few books how tried to put everyone right. Did not end very well for them either.

 

[crossnote]

Psalm 1:1-3 KJV
[1] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. [2] But his delight is in the law of the Lord ; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. [3] And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

 

[PeterJens]

Peter I have known you well enough to know that your intentions are pure and you always post such helpful scriptures and posts too, no matter what no matter if you are the brightest light in the forums if you disagree with people on here you will be attacked such is the state of the church in this generation.

Attacks will come names will be called even Jesus dealt with all this the important thing is to respond in a Christ like manner that is what makes if what they say about you true or not

Thanks Blain. Over the past few days and months things have struck me like never before.
It is good to share, to walk in the Spirit, to learn how to be open.

It is also strange how through this limited media we can gain real encouragement. I hope today the Lord is blessing you, and you know Him alongside you in your trials, for He is more glorious that we can imagine.

I rejoice because in our church also things are moving. God is truly good.

 

[Blain]

Thanks Blain. Over the past few days and months things have struck me like never before.
It is good to share, to walk in the Spirit, to learn how to be open.

It is also strange how through this limited media we can gain real encouragement. I hope today the Lord is blessing you, and you know Him alongside you in your trials, for He is more glorious that we can imagine.

I rejoice because in our church also things are moving. God is truly good.

It's no surprise that thing s have begun to strike you like that, as I have said many times on here before both God and satan are very active and at work here in cc and we are the pawns, whenever people post on here I sometimes wonder if they think before they post, like asking themselves is my post I am about to post from God or from the devil and who am I serving in doing so? Some may call their angry and rude posts righteous anger or defending the Truth but in the end it's only satan using them.

in an argument a heated debate in a quarrel with another responding back in a rude and negative manner only fuels the fire love and humbleness and knowing when to shake the dust off your feet stills the waters.

 

[Blain]

Also I do not take sides, Ember made some amazing posts in this thread but post number twenty five she was in the wrong. And yesterday Peter when you responded in a rude manner I was actually shocked I never once have seen you respond in that way before. I believe both of you to be true believers you both have different views and you seem to be having some trouble with each other but which ever one of you humbles themselves apologizes for the way you reacted and then seeks to be more loving and more Christ like from then on will have shown the brightest light

 

[Gr8grace]

I have a simple spiritual question.

I come to the Lord and walk in faith. I exalt Jesus and His word, walk in righteousness and love.
I then get haranged by "christians" who say I am wrong behaving like this.

I must believe and do all these other things, and deal with guilt and law this way and be all this stuff.
But I am fine with the Lord, I have walked with Him many years and brought people to faith, taught and encouraged many. It means these basics are deep within my soul. I do wonder how it came this way, but this is the Lords work.

So all I can say is these christians must be miss-guided. I am called a liar, someone who insults, a pharisee, a hypocrite.
They attempt to say I follow satan.

So I laugh. I laugh because these are personal emotional disputes and the theology very weak. But I praise my Lord because it helps me understand how to teach more effectively and see the errors many are leading others with.

So please bring it on, and see what comes, because I know, in all my walks, Praise has gone to Jesus.
May the Lord bless you, deeply and truly in His ways and love so that on that last day we might meet Him face to face rejoicing at being brother and sisters in the great Kingdom of the Lord, Amen.

Whats the simple question?

I have mentioned many times, when you and I have conversed , that it is not for us to judge anothers walk.

You may be walking in the flesh or the Spirit. I can't tell. I don't know your true motives.

Its a personal thing. We need to understand that we can walk in the flesh and it will look good to us and others around us.

We personally need to check our motives.

If another believer believes that they can lose salvation, it gives us a pretty good clue that they may be walking in the flesh.

THE faith is on a solid foundation,unshakable,eternal, completely assured,secure. Not sand.

I hate, I hate to see my Brothers and Sisters sitting on the fence, hope is just human hope and can't proclaim their salvation and Their Lord with SURENESS and BOLDNESS.

 

[PeterJens]

Also I do not take sides, Ember made some amazing posts in this thread but post number twenty five she was in the wrong. And yesterday Peter when you responded in a rude manner I was actually shocked I never once have seen you respond in that way before. I believe both of you to be true believers you both have different views and you seem to be having some trouble with each other but which ever one of you humbles themselves apologizes for the way you reacted and then seeks to be more loving and more Christ like from then on will have shown the brightest light

Unfortunately Blain I have a long experience of meeting manipulaters. It is rude to call someone out for doing this, but if that is exactly what they are doing, and that is their style I will call it.

I have seen people hurt so badly day after day they came back with anger against Ember.
Yes Ember makes contributions in her way, but unfortunately to disagree with her is to get the full force of her vent.
She keeps it as if it makes any difference, because it is a style that implies threat when actually it does not exist.

Maybe you do not know what I am speaking of. I worked with someone for over a year who could do this very well, it drove most people nuts. And unfortunately there is no real resolution, because I have done nothing against her.

Maybe you will learn about spiritual blindness and how personality can appear to follow the Lord, but be something else.

Calling me from a sewer makes me laugh, because it is so counter productive. This is a thread of opinions, not Call Of Duty.

 

[PeterJens]

Whats the simple question?
I have mentioned many times, when you and I have conversed , that it is not for us to judge anothers walk.
You may be walking in the flesh or the Spirit. I can't tell. I don't know your true motives.
Its a personal thing. We need to understand that we can walk in the flesh and it will look good to us and others around us.
We personally need to check our motives.
If another believer believes that they can lose salvation, it gives us a pretty good clue that they may be walking in the flesh.
THE faith is on a solid foundation,unshakable,eternal, completely assured,secure. Not sand.
I hate, I hate to see my Brothers and Sisters sitting on the fence, hope is just human hope and can't proclaim their salvation and Their Lord with SURENESS and BOLDNESS.

We have a different faith. You demonstrated your view, which I called universalism.
You state you cannot judge anothers walk then proceed to suggest you can if they say the are not OSAS.

So as we do not speak the same language, or walk in the spiritual world, there is little I can share with you.
You call me a brother, as if we have something in common.

We do not. I wish you well but you are like a propoganda machine, it simply does not matter who I am, I am a label who needs this response, thats it.

 

[Blain]

Unfortunately Blain I have a long experience of meeting manipulaters. It is rude to call someone out for doing this, but if that is exactly what they are doing, and that is their style I will call it.

I have seen people hurt so badly day after day they came back with anger against Ember.
Yes Ember makes contributions in her way, but unfortunately to disagree with her is to get the full force of her vent.
She keeps it as if it makes any difference, because it is a style that implies threat when actually it does not exist.

Maybe you do not know what I am speaking of. I worked with someone for over a year who could do this very well, it drove most people nuts. And unfortunately there is no real resolution, because I have done nothing against her.

Maybe you will learn about spiritual blindness and how personality can appear to follow the Lord, but be something else.

Calling me from a sewer makes me laugh, because it is so counter productive. This is a thread of opinions, not Call Of Duty.

Well either way whatever is going on between you and ember it isn't my place to meddle only to remind who we are called to be

 

[Gr8grace]

We have a different faith. You demonstrated your view, which I called universalism.
You state you cannot judge anothers walk then proceed to suggest you can if they say the are not OSAS.

So as we do not speak the same language, or walk in the spiritual world, there is little I can share with you.
You call me a brother, as if we have something in common.

We do not. I wish you well but you are like a propoganda machine, it simply does not matter who I am, I am a label who needs this response, thats it.

Now Peter, I clearly showed you I don't hold to all people going to the eternal state.

See, we can't tell what others motives are. We can't judge. Because YOU do matter to me. Whether you believe it or not.

There are souls at stake, and there is the Christian way of life in time at stake.

I would LOVE,LOVE,LOVE,LOVE to see ALL advance in the plan God has for their lives.