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UTAH
Yes I am, but living in the liberal cesspool of Northeastern USA it seems like the battle is being lost here. Yet be that as it may, Jesus Christ shall reign supreme, so I carry onward
well its no better where I am
Which is why Paul tells us to put on the armor and stand
Goliath was taken down by a little stone thrown by the hand of a shepherd boy who threw that stone in the Name of the Lord
Dont be discouraged ... a bruised reed he will not break and a smoking flax he will not put out..Isaiah 42:3
Yes I am, but living in the liberal cesspool of Northeastern USA it seems like the battle is being lost here. Yet be that as it may, Jesus Christ shall reign supreme, so I carry onward
well its no better where I am
Which is why Paul tells us to put on the armor and stand
Goliath was taken down by a little stone thrown by the hand of a shepherd boy who threw that stone in the Name of the Lord
Dont be discouraged ... a bruised reed he will not break and a smoking flax he will not put out..Isaiah 42:3
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND
We can put people that continue to slander and have malice on ignore if they don't stop...it's like "dusting off the feet"...and just leave them to the Lord's grace...
He was on ignore from the get go...which I believe may have contributed to his angst. ..he has a deep desire to be noticed and revered
My bad
At any rate, the abuse allowed has to be addressed here .
It either is not allowed to personally attack other members or its open season
If its open season...who with any decency will stay? This mess is ANYTHING but Christian
I have not responded to Jens before but the problem of lack of decent and respectful posting is across the board in the Bible forums and instead of tolerating it, it should be called out and not encouraged
We can put people that continue to slander and have malice on ignore if they don't stop...it's like "dusting off the feet"...and just leave them to the Lord's grace...
He was on ignore from the get go...which I believe may have contributed to his angst. ..he has a deep desire to be noticed and revered
My bad
At any rate, the abuse allowed has to be addressed here .
It either is not allowed to personally attack other members or its open season
If its open season...who with any decency will stay? This mess is ANYTHING but Christian
I have not responded to Jens before but the problem of lack of decent and respectful posting is across the board in the Bible forums and instead of tolerating it, it should be called out and not encouraged
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Yeah he rose from the dead
Thats pretty lame coming from someone peter jens addressed his slander about me to
You accepted his words and thanked him
Let me translate that for you
You bit the poison apple he offered you and partook of his sin of slander and backbiting
I disagreed with your anti grace bias and so you agree with jens
Did God tell you to come here and join in the fray?
Haven't you also been told to tone down the rhetoric in your posts too?
You folk who enjoy your little jabs at people would never do this in real life...how easy it is for your self righteousness to play dirty in the unmonitored fields of this site
Thats pretty lame coming from someone peter jens addressed his slander about me to
You accepted his words and thanked him
Let me translate that for you
You bit the poison apple he offered you and partook of his sin of slander and backbiting
I disagreed with your anti grace bias and so you agree with jens
Did God tell you to come here and join in the fray?
Haven't you also been told to tone down the rhetoric in your posts too?
You folk who enjoy your little jabs at people would never do this in real life...how easy it is for your self righteousness to play dirty in the unmonitored fields of this site
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Thank you for posting, I enjoyed the voice of your thoughts and seeing your heart in your words.
My favorite part that caused an Amen within me. God knows and He understands. He is our Helper, we can trust in Him. I leaned on this verse heavily in a time of struggle for strength and comfort of conscience and I still use it today for my joy;
My grace is sufficient for thee and my strength is made perfect in weakness.
Haha, MEeee toooo. And I add to that cheeseburgers and piecaken
https://kendradueck.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/oh-picaken-how-we-love-you/
My favorite part that caused an Amen within me. God knows and He understands. He is our Helper, we can trust in Him. I leaned on this verse heavily in a time of struggle for strength and comfort of conscience and I still use it today for my joy;
My grace is sufficient for thee and my strength is made perfect in weakness.
I prefer humor, and goodness, and mercy,
and peace and joy and love, (whatever that is)
And pizza.
And ice-cream.
And .......
and peace and joy and love, (whatever that is)
And pizza.
And ice-cream.
And .......
Haha, MEeee toooo. And I add to that cheeseburgers and piecaken
https://kendradueck.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/oh-picaken-how-we-love-you/
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I have been receiving emails from folk who dont want me to leave
That means alot..5 so far
Thank you
Do you want to have a decent forum where people are not allowed to do what jens does?
Then make a fuss about it...reprimand people who are abusive and report report report. ...dont answer them...report them
Object to the nastiness and maybe something will finally be done
As Paul states
This ought not to be!
That means alot..5 so far
Thank you
Do you want to have a decent forum where people are not allowed to do what jens does?
Then make a fuss about it...reprimand people who are abusive and report report report. ...dont answer them...report them
Object to the nastiness and maybe something will finally be done
As Paul states
This ought not to be!
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Onward and upward, brother, you're not alone.
'When the enemy shall come in like a flood,
the spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.'
You know the area I'm in, and am pretty isolated from
being able to have consistant fellowship, due to
a number of circumstances. It's one of the reasons
I joined this site. But many of the things I've had
said to me, and about me, like ember had to endure
earlier, personal things having nothing to do with
the discussion or building up the faith, let alone
Jesus or the bible, makes it hard to want to stay.
But giving in now would hand things over to liars
and those that would lead new believers/seekers
astray, so for now we still fight the good fight of faith.
God bless you, Utah.
'When the enemy shall come in like a flood,
the spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.'
You know the area I'm in, and am pretty isolated from
being able to have consistant fellowship, due to
a number of circumstances. It's one of the reasons
I joined this site. But many of the things I've had
said to me, and about me, like ember had to endure
earlier, personal things having nothing to do with
the discussion or building up the faith, let alone
Jesus or the bible, makes it hard to want to stay.
But giving in now would hand things over to liars
and those that would lead new believers/seekers
astray, so for now we still fight the good fight of faith.
God bless you, Utah.
Did you know that Utah is a false prophet?.....he got all the football games wrong on sunday. .I say stone him!..oh..wait..we are in the New Covenant and grace reigns in Christ........LOL.. ( He and I laughed about this yesterday...just in case anyone actually thinks I am serious )
Onward and upward, brother, you're not alone.
'When the enemy shall come in like a flood,
the spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.'
You know the area I'm in, and am pretty isolated from
being able to have consistant fellowship, due to
a number of circumstances. It's one of the reasons
I joined this site. But many of the things I've had
said to me, and about me, like ember had to endure
earlier, personal things having nothing to do with
the discussion or building up the faith, let alone
Jesus or the bible, makes it hard to want to stay.
But giving in now would hand things over to liars
and those that would lead new believers/seekers
astray, so for now we still fight the good fight of faith.
God bless you, Utah.
'When the enemy shall come in like a flood,
the spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.'
You know the area I'm in, and am pretty isolated from
being able to have consistant fellowship, due to
a number of circumstances. It's one of the reasons
I joined this site. But many of the things I've had
said to me, and about me, like ember had to endure
earlier, personal things having nothing to do with
the discussion or building up the faith, let alone
Jesus or the bible, makes it hard to want to stay.
But giving in now would hand things over to liars
and those that would lead new believers/seekers
astray, so for now we still fight the good fight of faith.
God bless you, Utah.
".....Maybe for you that is sin, so you wish to chew me up. Put me on a cross and kill me,...." (excerpt from a Peter Jens posting"
Ya?.......You'd probably feel some sort of justification in that wouldn't ya?
What "legalism" does? Is that one, for example, denounces drinking, cuz "The Bible tells me so" (get the jingle?" and, in all reality, Spiritually and fleshly, you denounce drinking and CUT OFF every part/piece of yourself, CONDEMNING IT TO HELL!! So, the rest of you grows (self righteously, of course). YOU, did this, to yourself. NOT, GOD!!
So, that piece, er pieces, of yourself, just lay there, and ROT! You may be under an impression, be it by scripture, er peer pressure, that you have indeed accomplished a truely, good and noble deed, thereby gaining some sorta "acts, attributable towards righteousness", from your group/friends/church/pastor....whoever. And? ESPECIALLY from a pastor....THIS, is not a good thing.
So, what happens to that/those pieces of yerself, you have damned to hell? Like the BLIND SHEPHERDS YOU ARE? Ya walk away, from yourself, or should I say, you THINK, you walk away from yourself. Remember, YOU, are the one who cut yourself off! And, BECAUSE, this spirit of anti-christ, has grown so deep, within you, You thwart OFF EVERY/ANY attempts that the GOOD SHEPHERD makes to RESCUE this/these pieces of YOURSELF!! Because ye have been brainwashed (at this point), that this/these attempts, are SURELY of SATAN!! YA COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG!!
So, ya goes about preaching n teaching these DICTRINES (cuz thaz what they are actually, "dictrines"), throughout THE whole WORLD. When, you shoulda CONCERTED your works (efforts), INWARDLY!!
............And, ya wonder as to just HOW, and WHY, this world is becoming more and more corrupting, and corruptible ?
Ya?.......You'd probably feel some sort of justification in that wouldn't ya?
What "legalism" does? Is that one, for example, denounces drinking, cuz "The Bible tells me so" (get the jingle?" and, in all reality, Spiritually and fleshly, you denounce drinking and CUT OFF every part/piece of yourself, CONDEMNING IT TO HELL!! So, the rest of you grows (self righteously, of course). YOU, did this, to yourself. NOT, GOD!!
So, that piece, er pieces, of yourself, just lay there, and ROT! You may be under an impression, be it by scripture, er peer pressure, that you have indeed accomplished a truely, good and noble deed, thereby gaining some sorta "acts, attributable towards righteousness", from your group/friends/church/pastor....whoever. And? ESPECIALLY from a pastor....THIS, is not a good thing.
So, what happens to that/those pieces of yerself, you have damned to hell? Like the BLIND SHEPHERDS YOU ARE? Ya walk away, from yourself, or should I say, you THINK, you walk away from yourself. Remember, YOU, are the one who cut yourself off! And, BECAUSE, this spirit of anti-christ, has grown so deep, within you, You thwart OFF EVERY/ANY attempts that the GOOD SHEPHERD makes to RESCUE this/these pieces of YOURSELF!! Because ye have been brainwashed (at this point), that this/these attempts, are SURELY of SATAN!! YA COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG!!
So, ya goes about preaching n teaching these DICTRINES (cuz thaz what they are actually, "dictrines"), throughout THE whole WORLD. When, you shoulda CONCERTED your works (efforts), INWARDLY!!
............And, ya wonder as to just HOW, and WHY, this world is becoming more and more corrupting, and corruptible ?
This is what's known as the Hegelian Dialectic. It is a methodology used by those who wish to achieve a desired outcome (in this case, shutting down opposition), and is implemented like this:
- Stir up trouble (We're the victims of malice and slander! We don't have a decent forum! This ought not to be!)
- Blame it on someone else (people like jens are responsible for this evil!)
- Offer a solution (IT'S GOT TO STOP! make a fuss about it...reprimand people who are abusive and report report report, get better moderation, etc.)
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You are a bully mr roseftomthedead
But right now you are just being your good ole 'listen to me Im in charge here and I represent peter jens personally and he besmirched another member because that's what he does and Im alwsys on board with that'
Im so glad I was able to donate some time to you in order for you get on board yet another gangland type assassination of an innocent person
You are ridiculous as the type of 1..2..3..methodology you wish to ascribe to me is actually YOUR modus operandi. ..which it seems you have memorized for personal ease of access
jens attacks me and you sit back on your haunches and say I cause trouble? Do you think if you repeat his lie it becomes true somehow?
BLAH...get a life you tiresome and boring
legalist
But right now you are just being your good ole 'listen to me Im in charge here and I represent peter jens personally and he besmirched another member because that's what he does and Im alwsys on board with that'
Im so glad I was able to donate some time to you in order for you get on board yet another gangland type assassination of an innocent person
You are ridiculous as the type of 1..2..3..methodology you wish to ascribe to me is actually YOUR modus operandi. ..which it seems you have memorized for personal ease of access
jens attacks me and you sit back on your haunches and say I cause trouble? Do you think if you repeat his lie it becomes true somehow?
BLAH...get a life you tiresome and boring
legalist
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Though I can't stand what's being done to free speech in America,
and can agree somewhat with the above statement,
I can't 'like' the post, because it's not a proper comparison
with the situation on this thread, and a few other cross-overs.
Ember is more referring to a personal, ad-hominem if you will,
attack on her, not so much about attacking doctrine,
though there's parts of that as well...
we should be free to debate positions
without dragging someones marriage
or personal relationships, or even their personal struggles
in their walk with the Lord into it.
But yeah, we need to pray for the campus situations,
and any institutions that are supressing the Truth,
and free speech in general.
I can't understand how more young ppl can't see
how keeping God out of the foundation of society
is causing it to crumble, especially these days.
But I guess that old clichè still sadly applies...
If you're young and not a liberal, they say,
you have no heart.
As you get older, if you're not conservative,
they say, you have no brains.
I'm not sure what the college professors
are thinking. OR feeling.
But our God and Saviour created...
And as believers we should have...Both.
(Love the Lord with ALL our HEART, soul, MIND, and strength.)
and can agree somewhat with the above statement,
I can't 'like' the post, because it's not a proper comparison
with the situation on this thread, and a few other cross-overs.
Ember is more referring to a personal, ad-hominem if you will,
attack on her, not so much about attacking doctrine,
though there's parts of that as well...
we should be free to debate positions
without dragging someones marriage
or personal relationships, or even their personal struggles
in their walk with the Lord into it.
But yeah, we need to pray for the campus situations,
and any institutions that are supressing the Truth,
and free speech in general.
I can't understand how more young ppl can't see
how keeping God out of the foundation of society
is causing it to crumble, especially these days.
But I guess that old clichè still sadly applies...
If you're young and not a liberal, they say,
you have no heart.
As you get older, if you're not conservative,
they say, you have no brains.
I'm not sure what the college professors
are thinking. OR feeling.
But our God and Saviour created...
And as believers we should have...Both.
(Love the Lord with ALL our HEART, soul, MIND, and strength.)
I have to comment. What exactly have I done?
I did not agree with Embers criticism and attack on HeRoseFromTheDead and shared Embers approach in the past.
Now we have lots of post saying I am so terrible. I say the same points.
Now Willie-T you can say however you behave there is a derived logic from theology.
If sinful no longer matters for the believer, ie Jesus died and forgave all sins past, present, future, the teaching is sin no longer matters. You may choose to behave as if it does matter but the theology does not.
If being sent to Hell is based good works not done in christ, good works are now evil, so the good samaritan is an evil man.
If the culture of teaching says being convicted of sin is evil and only done by satan, then it is wrong to be even aware of sin because that is being condemned and denying Jesus's dying on the cross.
Now these are obvious conclusions from what Hyper-Grace teachers teach.
If you cannot argue with theology or teaching, or do not actually believe this theology, which theology are you following.
Please tell me how drawing these conclusions from what is being taught is either slander or a lie.
The only fear and anger I am hearing is because these points are 100% true.
They are also a denial of the gospel that I walked in for 40+ years.
Now getting a mob to lynch me is not the tactic of walking in the Spirit or looking at scripture. It testifies against you before the Lord, but maybe that does not bother you at all. I have not picked on any of you, I have just put my points across.
If anger and bitterness is in your heart it is not because of me. Can you not hear and read the tempest Ember is trying to stir up over nothing. Maybe that does not concern you, it does me because it source is not from the Spirit of the Lord.
May you all find Gods peace and place of rest in His love through Christ His son. For that is our salvation, if you rest in Him.
I did not agree with Embers criticism and attack on HeRoseFromTheDead and shared Embers approach in the past.
Now we have lots of post saying I am so terrible. I say the same points.
Now Willie-T you can say however you behave there is a derived logic from theology.
If sinful no longer matters for the believer, ie Jesus died and forgave all sins past, present, future, the teaching is sin no longer matters. You may choose to behave as if it does matter but the theology does not.
If being sent to Hell is based good works not done in christ, good works are now evil, so the good samaritan is an evil man.
If the culture of teaching says being convicted of sin is evil and only done by satan, then it is wrong to be even aware of sin because that is being condemned and denying Jesus's dying on the cross.
Now these are obvious conclusions from what Hyper-Grace teachers teach.
If you cannot argue with theology or teaching, or do not actually believe this theology, which theology are you following.
Please tell me how drawing these conclusions from what is being taught is either slander or a lie.
The only fear and anger I am hearing is because these points are 100% true.
They are also a denial of the gospel that I walked in for 40+ years.
Now getting a mob to lynch me is not the tactic of walking in the Spirit or looking at scripture. It testifies against you before the Lord, but maybe that does not bother you at all. I have not picked on any of you, I have just put my points across.
If anger and bitterness is in your heart it is not because of me. Can you not hear and read the tempest Ember is trying to stir up over nothing. Maybe that does not concern you, it does me because it source is not from the Spirit of the Lord.
May you all find Gods peace and place of rest in His love through Christ His son. For that is our salvation, if you rest in Him.
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Ok..I was puzzled by the references to husband and marriage so I back tracked to where peter jens makes comments about whether or not I am divorced now or if my husband is different or some weird thing...
yup...just another peter personal attack..THIS is what Im talking about and he has done this over and over
well yeah Peter...I sure DO hope my husband is different from me..if you are referring to the time I told someone he does not speak in tongues than that is so...however he does not mock others and believes in the spiritual gifts
Now that alone testifies to the fact I believe salvation is not what we do or the gifts we may have
Yup...going on 16 years of marriage here..my husband told me he wanted to marry me first time he saw me...I like a man that knows what he wants lol!
But you have sunk to a new low here petie old boy....
you really know nothing about me at all
the very first exchange we ever had on this site you belittled the gifts of the spirit and went off on some religious tangent...after a few such exchanges I put you on ignore...which I gather insults you no end
You have been nipping and biting at me ever since you silly little man...all of which I ignored...I have been absent for a few months...I come back and bingo you start right in again like some nasty flesh eating bacteria ...chomp chomp chomp
I saw your remarks about me in the quotes of mr religion...otherwise known as rosefromthedead and I could simply hardly believe that all the time I was away you were just waiting to strike...like an adder at the unsuspecting person...you do the same to others as people have been telling me
What on earth possessed you to attack my marriage? As God knows I am a very married woman to a very married man...I daresay you will not be so arrogant to ascribe your comments as inspired by the Lord God Jehovah
kindly simper back to your lair and examine why you are so motivated to attack other believers
yup...just another peter personal attack..THIS is what Im talking about and he has done this over and over
well yeah Peter...I sure DO hope my husband is different from me..if you are referring to the time I told someone he does not speak in tongues than that is so...however he does not mock others and believes in the spiritual gifts
Now that alone testifies to the fact I believe salvation is not what we do or the gifts we may have
Yup...going on 16 years of marriage here..my husband told me he wanted to marry me first time he saw me...I like a man that knows what he wants lol!
But you have sunk to a new low here petie old boy....
you really know nothing about me at all
the very first exchange we ever had on this site you belittled the gifts of the spirit and went off on some religious tangent...after a few such exchanges I put you on ignore...which I gather insults you no end
You have been nipping and biting at me ever since you silly little man...all of which I ignored...I have been absent for a few months...I come back and bingo you start right in again like some nasty flesh eating bacteria ...chomp chomp chomp
I saw your remarks about me in the quotes of mr religion...otherwise known as rosefromthedead and I could simply hardly believe that all the time I was away you were just waiting to strike...like an adder at the unsuspecting person...you do the same to others as people have been telling me
What on earth possessed you to attack my marriage? As God knows I am a very married woman to a very married man...I daresay you will not be so arrogant to ascribe your comments as inspired by the Lord God Jehovah
kindly simper back to your lair and examine why you are so motivated to attack other believers
Ember, I am glad you are happily married. At what point will you stop trying to upset me?
My point to HeRoseFromTheDead is you want to demand a certain response from others. You commanded him to stop sharing.
You are now trying to do the same to me. You want the moderators to stop me sharing. Now I am not abusing you or your beliefs. I am literally putting forward theological points and their fruit. Now it is up to the reader to decide if it applies to them. Obviously for many it does not, for others it might.
If you want to continue to attack me, that is your choice. You are doing exactly what I was warning about and what very often your emotional intent is hinting out. It is a kind of bullying and I have called you out which makes you so angry.
If I was not speaking the truth it would not bother you so much. How many people in your life dare to stand up to you? I suspect very few. But may the Lord bless you, for truly I love you in the Lord, and may you find His peace wherever you may be. By the way I have had to deal with seriously dangerous people so you are a pussy cat.
My point to HeRoseFromTheDead is you want to demand a certain response from others. You commanded him to stop sharing.
You are now trying to do the same to me. You want the moderators to stop me sharing. Now I am not abusing you or your beliefs. I am literally putting forward theological points and their fruit. Now it is up to the reader to decide if it applies to them. Obviously for many it does not, for others it might.
If you want to continue to attack me, that is your choice. You are doing exactly what I was warning about and what very often your emotional intent is hinting out. It is a kind of bullying and I have called you out which makes you so angry.
If I was not speaking the truth it would not bother you so much. How many people in your life dare to stand up to you? I suspect very few. But may the Lord bless you, for truly I love you in the Lord, and may you find His peace wherever you may be. By the way I have had to deal with seriously dangerous people so you are a pussy cat.
Dear reader, I never intended for this conflict with Ember. I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
As I have warned in the past the tendency to polarize people into friend and enemy is the work of the enemy.
We seem to all testify that we love the Lord deeply, so I do not understand this deep antagonism or your anger over "religion". The most religious people I have met often are the humblest and nicest, even when their faith may be off-track.
What I am concerned over is when obviously corrupt and sinful behaviour is just ignored because of the "spiritual" nature of the ministry involved. But maybe I am too much different for you to accept sin is a problem.
As I have warned in the past the tendency to polarize people into friend and enemy is the work of the enemy.
We seem to all testify that we love the Lord deeply, so I do not understand this deep antagonism or your anger over "religion". The most religious people I have met often are the humblest and nicest, even when their faith may be off-track.
What I am concerned over is when obviously corrupt and sinful behaviour is just ignored because of the "spiritual" nature of the ministry involved. But maybe I am too much different for you to accept sin is a problem.
This is Ember people, stir the pot and out will come this, a full frontal assault. Now this is literally all I said Ember would do, and she actually did it.
And what is funny, I have to say funny, people agreed that what I was saying was a lie. But this very post shows you all that I said, she creates a full frontal assault is what she has done. It is like a child saying I do not get angry how dare you say that while pummeling ones face in the ground.
Let Ember be a warning to you, I know of what I speak, so if the Lord gives me the words to call out one your friends, beware that the rest He has given me to say is not equally true. We are not playing games here or being nice, this is serious stuff with eternal consequences. But I suspect the following verse has not been taken to heart
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:7
And what is funny, I have to say funny, people agreed that what I was saying was a lie. But this very post shows you all that I said, she creates a full frontal assault is what she has done. It is like a child saying I do not get angry how dare you say that while pummeling ones face in the ground.
Let Ember be a warning to you, I know of what I speak, so if the Lord gives me the words to call out one your friends, beware that the rest He has given me to say is not equally true. We are not playing games here or being nice, this is serious stuff with eternal consequences. But I suspect the following verse has not been taken to heart
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:7
To put things into perspective
This is what a hyper-grace member said about CC :-
"This is why I like CC. go to any other forum and we may find one or two grace believers and they are warned and on the verge of being banned.
Grace believers are not the majority here, but there are quite a few. Nice to see, I haven't found it to be that way in any other forums. The Grace believers are the first to get the boot and lucky if there are 1 or 2."
I wonder where there are forums which do not allow normal theology to be shared.
And to put things into perspective I have not been warned about anything I have shared or believed.
I have seen people loose it here for different reasons, but that is not a good idea.
This is what a hyper-grace member said about CC :-
"This is why I like CC. go to any other forum and we may find one or two grace believers and they are warned and on the verge of being banned.
Grace believers are not the majority here, but there are quite a few. Nice to see, I haven't found it to be that way in any other forums. The Grace believers are the first to get the boot and lucky if there are 1 or 2."
I wonder where there are forums which do not allow normal theology to be shared.
And to put things into perspective I have not been warned about anything I have shared or believed.
I have seen people loose it here for different reasons, but that is not a good idea.