WHERE DO YOU STAND

[PeterJens]

Well either way whatever is going on between you and ember it isn't my place to meddle only to remind who we are called to be

Thankyou for the reminder. I have nothing against Ember, just I will call out slander and abuse of another when it happens so blatantly. The funny thing is, in response, silence. Because it is all based on a false understanding of theology, sin and our responsibility towards each other.

I publically forgive Ember of her calling me from a sewer, but I will again call out an attack against someone else like this.

I see it as our duty to our brethren to support them especially when they are making true and correct points.

 

[PeterJens]

Now Peter, I clearly showed you I don't hold to all people going to the eternal state.
See, we can't tell what others motives are. We can't judge. Because YOU do matter to me. Whether you believe it or not.
There are souls at stake, and there is the Christian way of life in time at stake.
I would LOVE,LOVE,LOVE,LOVE to see ALL advance in the plan God has for their lives.

Let me pursue this idea. You have concern for me. In what way?
I am saved, I walk with the Lord, I know His grace, I have fellowship daily, hourly with Him.

Now souls at stake. You believe OSAS. So no saved peoples souls at stake.
You believe you are chosen, and it is all of God. So there is no human participation.

So you can do nothing to help save people or loose people.

So you are not telling the truth. Unless you do not believe what you say you believe?

So you are a mess, a 100% mess and totally inconsistent.
Either preaching the word brings fruit to eternal salvation, and it can be lost, so it is worthwhile discussing, encouraging and putting effort in, or it is all predestined and you just follow your calling and the rest just happens.

So which is it for you?

 

[Gr8grace]

Let me pursue this idea. You have concern for me. In what way?
I am saved, I walk with the Lord, I know His grace, I have fellowship daily, hourly with Him.

Now souls at stake. You believe OSAS. So no saved peoples souls at stake.
You believe you are chosen, and it is all of God. So there is no human participation.

So you can do nothing to help save people or loose people.

So you are not telling the truth. Unless you do not believe what you say you believe?

So you are a mess, a 100% mess and totally inconsistent.
Either preaching the word brings fruit to eternal salvation, and it can be lost, so it is worthwhile discussing, encouraging and putting effort in, or it is all predestined and you just follow your calling and the rest just happens.

So which is it for you?

The Christian way Peter, of course.

Its not just arminianism and calvinism.

We use our God given freewill to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation.

He buys us with a price, we are His, in union with Him, A part of His body,..........eternal security

We use our God given freewill to stay a babe or advance in His plan.

All believers will enter His Kingdom, but not all will inherit the Kingdom.

It is our freedom in Christ. Freedom guarantee's inequality. Some will freely choose to advance, some will just stay a babe.

There is no such thing in His word for predestination to salvation.

There is no such thing in His word for the loss of eternal life.

 

[PeterJens]

The Christian way Peter, of course.
Its not just arminianism and calvinism.
We use our God given freewill to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation.
He buys us with a price, we are His, in union with Him, A part of His body,..........eternal security
We use our God given freewill to stay a babe or advance in His plan.
All believers will enter His Kingdom, but not all will inherit the Kingdom.
It is our freedom in Christ. Freedom guarantee's inequality. Some will freely choose to advance, some will just stay a babe.
There is no such thing in His word for predestination to salvation.
There is no such thing in His word for the loss of eternal life.

Well you are different from Grace7x77 and Ben.

Are you aware of this difference?

 

[Gr8grace]

Well you are different from Grace7x77 and Ben.

Are you aware of this difference?

I am aware of some small differences. But it takes a while to get a feel for everyone and the nuances.

 

[Gr8grace]

Well you are different from Grace7x77 and Ben.

Are you aware of this difference?

Peter, just conversation sake. Have you seen the difference between eternal security and perseverance of the saints?

Because OSAS is usually always presented as perseverance of the saints. And it is not the same as eternal security.

eternal security is the preservation of the saints By Christs work alone, not the saints persevering in their own works.

I know we won't line up with this, but have you seen the distinctions before?

 

[PeterJens]

I am aware of some small differences. But it takes a while to get a feel for everyone and the nuances.

I love this phrase, small differences. It does not really matter.
You want to hold with their basic theology, that is your choice.
I am just learning how to define it, because it is rather fluid. I hope you enjoy the Lord wherever you are, because I am at peace where I am.

The interesting thing for me is to realise a new faith is being created, though not distinct, it will become so.
The tendency is to condemn me as an unbeliever and devalue morality and conscience in a persons walk in faith.

I am interested in learning why and discussing scripture, so I wish you well, however you find the Lord

 

[DP]

◄*Ephesians 6:12

Are you making a stand to enter in close and battle on behalf of your nation and your brothers and sisters?

What's the purpose of that question in respect to the Eph.6 Scripture you're talking about?

 

[PeterJens]

Peter, just conversation sake. Have you seen the difference between eternal security and perseverance of the saints?
Because OSAS is usually always presented as perseverance of the saints. And it is not the same as eternal security.
eternal security is the preservation of the saints By Christs work alone, not the saints persevering in their own works.
I know we won't line up with this, but have you seen the distinctions before?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130121-more-hyper-love.html

If you want to understand how I look at Jesus, read this testimony. I can relate.
A lot of issues disappear because they are written on your heart.

Many do not know this depth of feeling or being, I do, though it is difficult to translate to others, it is who you are rather than what you believe.

So I walk with my Lord, does that answer your questions?

 

[Gr8grace]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130121-more-hyper-love.html

If you want to understand how I look at Jesus, read this testimony. I can relate.
A lot of issues disappear because they are written on your heart.

Many do not know this depth of feeling or being, I do, though it is difficult to translate to others, it is who you are rather than what you believe.

So I walk with my Lord, does that answer your questions?

Thanks Peter.

 

[ember]

Thankyou for the reminder. I have nothing against Ember, just I will call out slander and abuse of another when it happens so blatantly. The funny thing is, in response, silence. Because it is all based on a false understanding of theology, sin and our responsibility towards each other.

I publically forgive Ember of her calling me from a sewer, but I will again call out an attack against someone else like this.

I see it as our duty to our brethren to support them especially when they are making true and correct points.

You are a contemptible liar and a false witness. You have no spine knowing that if I engage you in the open while you snipe at me from behind your facade of Christianity I will fall into the trap of seeming to be the person your slanderous imagination tries to paint me as

You are evil in what you do. Anyone with guts here should call you out

Love? No sir...I do not love you nor do I care about being told that is not Christian

You need to repent.

You are doing the work of the devil here and I'm not the only one who knows it

 

[PeterJens]

You are a contemptible liar and a false witness. You have no spine knowing that if I engage you in the open while you snipe at me from behind your facade of Christianity I will fall into the trap of seeming to be the person your slanderous imagination tries to paint me as
You are evil in what you do. Anyone with guts here should call you out
Love? No sir...I do not love you nor do I care about being told that is not Christian
You need to repent.
You are doing the work of the devil here and I'm not the only one who knows it

I am hiding behind a facade of Christianity? Well I am not following your version that is true.

If you read what I write, there is no hiding for me, what I believe is very clear and plain. That is very obvious.
No spine? Now that is odd because I am happy to answer everything and put points forward.

It is your camp who have no spine to answer the theological points put forward. Now there is no problem you becoming another faith, just not trying to own Jesus and paint us as evil.

How am I evil? Do you know what evil is? It is murderers, theives, liars, sexually immoral, embezzlers, the greedy, drunks etc.

Now I am none of these things. If you say I have lied? About what?

You are commanded, literally commanded to love me, by Jesus. As angry as you get, as evil as you try and paint me, this is the way of Jesus. I have never understood why you could not accept this months ago or even now, but it just confirms something is missing in you. Ask your friends, those you care about.

Seriously I do not matter, or what I have said. But this bile coming from your heart is not healthy or good.
Find the Lord and find his forgiveness. I do not know what sin I have done against you, other than point out your agression.

Maybe for you that is sin, so you wish to chew me up. Put me on a cross and kill me, I will still say I love you, as someone who can walk in love and faith with Jesus. I forgive you, may you walk in His peace and find restitution for your soul.

It is also funny, you said no christian can point out a sin in another, and yet here you are doing it to me. That is what they call hypocracy and not doing what you preach. It is the problem of the religious, consistency matters zero to them.

 

[PeterJens]

You are a contemptible liar

Praise the Lord

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matt 5:11

If you want to understand what is being said I am lying about read my blog, it is short but saves me repeating myself

http://christianchat.com/blogs/peterjens/9412-hyper-grace-summary.html

Now I write this stuff because morality and behaviour matters, it is what Christ died for and is the Kingdom walking on earth. Now with a passion Jesus bought my soul through His death, so I am going to share His victory with all who have an ear to hear and rejoice with those who likewise walk in His love and grace.

 

[Utah]

Are you making a stand to enter in close and battle on behalf of your nation and your brothers and sisters?

Yes I am, but living in the liberal cesspool of Norhteastern USA it seems like the battle is being lost here. Yet be that as it may, Jesus Christ shall reign supreme, so I carry onward.

 

[BeyondET]

One more thing as you have missed it....the standing is ONLY DONE AFTER WE HAVE DONE ALL WE CAN

caps are for emphasis
Further...PUT ON armor is not something you can do from a sitting position...and we stand which alone is a verb suggesting one who has accomplished a goal and now defends it..ie. take a stand

Then again we can't do all we can while sitting down one must stand first, It's like standing on a cliff looking out on a sea full of enemies surely one must be standing to see them coming, for if he sits the enemy will come ashore without warning.

 

[ember]

Ember, thank you for finally declaring your stripes. You got to understand you have some serious personality issues, nothing to do with faith but who you are.

It does not help trying to justify it by making me out to be evil or some devil from the beyond.
I simply do not agree with you take on Jesus and spiritual maturity.

Is it possible in your mind the Lord has sent me to demonstrate to you, that He really loves you as you are, and you do not have to try so hard?

You are commanded to love your enemies. So please tell me how you can do that? I love you, though maybe not your spiritual teaching, but that comes from your odd take on faith, so I cannot blame you for that, it is not your fault.

By the way the Lord asked me to take you on, who am I to disagree with Him.

Which lord?

Certainly not Jesus Christ the Lord

You oppose all things pertaining to the Holy Spirit

Further I have never received a warning about my posts

Why don't you be truthful and tell us about the times you have been warned to curb your tongue

Ive asked my membership be deleted because I will simply continue in the other 3 Christian forums I belong to where they have proper moderation and personal attacks are stopped

you have been listening to a spirit that is NOT the Holy Spirit..most folks here know you have a mental problem..
which I guess you can't help...but as is often the case you believe God is telling you to hurt other people...Im not the only one you are hounding...anyone who believes in the Spirit of God is attacked by you...actually it is the false spirit in YOU that is attacking

Are you born again? I believe you may have head knowledge of Christ but your spirit is not right

You can call yourself whatever you like but I know folks here think you are a trouble maker and you do the work of the devil by slandering.

Tell the truth...I put you on ignore right from the start and that is what really irks you

You destroy what is good and you are confused and you cause confusion

I suggest you see both a clinical psychiatrist and ask your pastor to pray over you with several individuals who are strong in the Lord and have discernment

But you may like your false spirit who tells you what to do so they might not be able to help

 

[gb9]

Which lord?

Certainly not Jesus Christ the Lord

You oppose all things pertaining to the Holy Spirit

Further I have never received a warning about my posts

Why don't you be truthful and tell us about the times you have been warned to curb your tongue

Ive asked my membership be deleted because I will simply continue in the other 3 Christian forums I belong to where they have proper moderation and personal attacks are stopped

you have been listening to a spirit that is NOT the Holy Spirit..most folks here know you have a mental problem..
which I guess you can't help...but as is often the case you believe God is telling you to hurt other people...Im not the only one you are hounding...anyone who believes in the Spirit of God is attacked by you...actually it is the false spirit in YOU that is attacking

Are you born again? I believe you may have head knowledge of Christ but your spirit is not right

You can call yourself whatever you like but I know folks here think you are a trouble maker and you do the work of the devil by slandering.

Tell the truth...I put you on ignore right from the start and that is what really irks you

You destroy what is good and you are confused and you cause confusion

I suggest you see both a clinical psychiatrist and ask your pastor to pray over you with several individuals who are strong in the Lord and have discernment

But you may like your false spirit who tells you what to do so they might not be able to help

sorry it came to this for you. I have always enjoyed your posts. if you do leave, God bless you in all you do!!!

 

[PeterJens]

Which lord?
Why don't you be truthful and tell us about the times you have been warned to curb your tongue

Ember, you need help. You take it all miles too seriously. Sorry I hit a nerve, I will try and be more careful next time.

By the way are you into casting out spirits because I would recommend you avoid this ministry, may not turn out so good.

 

[ember]

Religious spirits ALWAYS accuse those who have anything to say about the Holy Spirit

That is why you attack any and all who are either Charasmatic or Pentecostal

You are religious....and you have a religious spirit You bait people until they respond and then you hide behind your phoney religiosity

No one here who has been here any length of time believes the garbage you have spewed off about me

No one

 

[Willie-T]

Religious spirits ALWAYS accuse those who have anything to say about the Holy Spirit

That is why you attack any and all who are either Charasmatic or Pentecostal

You are religious....and you have a religious spirit You bait people until they respond and then you hide behind your phoney religiosity

No one here who has been here any length of time believes the garbage you have spewed off about me

No one

................................................I don't.