Where in scripture are instructions to cancel the feasts?

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7seasrekeyed

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When we honor the feast days it has absolutely nothing to do with any fulfillment, it is celebrating the salvation that God has given us.

you can honor the 10 commandments being given at Mt Sinai

whatever you want

but there is no biblical imperative for believers in Christ to do so
 
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7seasrekeyed

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God is real and everything God tells us, including using Paul to tell us, is real. That means that God rules our secular world. You seem to think they are separate, that God isn't in our secular world, but God is.

I pointed out that men used carnal thinking to decide on their spiritual life, and that is not right. God is to lead us, not the secular world.
yeah ok and I'm going to have a chicken salad

you are not making any sense that a person who understands the transition between testaments can make any sense of

Jesus taking our place and doing away with the sacrificial system introduced by God with Moses as mediator is what is actually spiritual

Jesus is now our mediator...our High Priest...we have no need of animal sacrifice which never actually removed sin from us as does the final sacrifice of God's only Son

you are conflating scripture and introducing a weak historical presentation to create an op that is neither here nor there

the historicity of the time between testaments is far more complicated than anything you could hope to document in the space available in your op

as a ps, you have no idea what I believe, obviously, as you could not possibly be more wrong to state I do not believe that God is active in this world and that it actually is His creation and belongs to Him
 

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God is eternal and His eternal ways do not change. Every step to our salvation was celebrated with a feast, and each celebration of those that have occurred, the first four feasts, happened on the day of the feast. This is the pattern that God follows, if the day Christ returns does not happen on the day of the unknown year it will happen then God will have broken a routine for the first time.
I agree with this except that I am not sure I would say it would be the first time God has done something outside of the pattern and template of the feasts.
I do believe His appearing will be after the patterns in the feasts - the Passover pattern is woven through John's Revelation of Him, and He did very significant things according to these patterns when He walked with us - as our Priest.

I also am not - 100% clear on how to tell time; there are open questions on that topic.
 

Blik

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yeah ok and I'm going to have a chicken salad

you are not making any sense that a person who understands the transition between testaments can make any sense of

Jesus taking our place and doing away with the sacrificial system introduced by God with Moses as mediator is what is actually spiritual

Jesus is now our mediator...our High Priest...we have no need of animal sacrifice which never actually removed sin from us as does the final sacrifice of God's only Son

you are conflating scripture and introducing a weak historical presentation to create an op that is neither here nor there

the historicity of the time between testaments is far more complicated than anything you could hope to document in the space available in your op

as a ps, you have no idea what I believe, obviously, as you could not possibly be more wrong to state I do not believe that God is active in this world and that it actually is His creation and belongs to Him
Jesus did NOT do away with anything when He became the sacrifice, the animal sacrifice was a symbol of the sacrifice of Christ. We are to honor that sacrifice and not need the symbolic sacrifice: that is not cancelling anything but perpetuating it. Jesus is God and He and the OT God is the same God with the same characteristics. It is not a change in Gods but a fulfillment of what the OT God spoke of. The word fulfillment does not mean put an end to, it means that what was is now in full force the opposite of the meaning of the word end.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Jesus did NOT do away with anything when He became the sacrifice, the animal sacrifice was a symbol of the sacrifice of Christ. We are to honor that sacrifice and not need the symbolic sacrifice: that is not cancelling anything but perpetuating it. Jesus is God and He and the OT God is the same God with the same characteristics. It is not a change in Gods but a fulfillment of what the OT God spoke of. The word fulfillment does not mean put an end to, it means that what was is now in full force the opposite of the meaning of the word end.

lean not unto your own understanding takes on new meaning with your op

as you were

nothing to see here
 

Blik

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lean not unto your own understanding takes on new meaning with your op

as you were

nothing to see here
There is LOTS to see here. If Jesus was a fulfillment and not an end then the OT is alive and well, not about something that is ending. Christ does not need to repeat the OT to make it vital to our understanding of God, for Christ is a much a part of the OT scripture as of the NT scripture. When we see Christ in the OT sacrificial system it puts in a completely different light than seeing this system as just something that has been done away with.
 

Dino246

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There is LOTS to see here. If Jesus was a fulfillment and not an end then the OT is alive and well, not about something that is ending. Christ does not need to repeat the OT to make it vital to our understanding of God, for Christ is a much a part of the OT scripture as of the NT scripture. When we see Christ in the OT sacrificial system it puts in a completely different light than seeing this system as just something that has been done away with.
Do you consider it "necessary" for Christians to celebrate the feasts? If so, what is your scriptural support for this belief?
 

Blik

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Do you consider it "necessary" for Christians to celebrate the feasts? If so, what is your scriptural support for this belief?
Are you saying that you are changing your ways and decide to discuss scripture instead of saying things like "red herring"? If so I would be happy to have a discussion of scripture with you, but I am a bible reading person who is serious about loving the Lord, not someone to be drug in the dirt.
 

Dino246

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Are you saying that you are changing your ways and decide to discuss scripture instead of saying things like "red herring"? If so I would be happy to have a discussion of scripture with you, but I am a bible reading person who is serious about loving the Lord, not someone to be drug in the dirt.
I'm saying, do you consider it necessary for Christians to celebrate the feasts? If so, what is your scriptural support for this belief?
 

Blik

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I'm saying, do you consider it necessary for Christians to celebrate the feasts? If so, what is your scriptural support for this belief?
And I am asking if you want to accuse me or discuss scripture, I need to know before I answer you.
 

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I'm saying, do you consider it necessary for Christians to celebrate the feasts? If so, what is your scriptural support for this belief?
If you think not, where is it written that God would condemn the Christian if they did choose to celebrate the remaining feasts?
 

Dino246

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If you think not, where is it written that God would condemn the Christian if they did choose to celebrate the remaining feasts?
Please don't put words in my mouth and then expect me to defend them. I don't play that game.
 

Dino246

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And I am asking if you want to accuse me or discuss scripture, I need to know before I answer you.
If I wanted to accuse you, I would do so. I asked you a question.
 

Dino246

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I would say precisely that to you.
If you read my post you will see I made an inquiry. I did not in any way put words in your mouth.
I have not said anything about God condemning Christians who do celebrate the feasts, but your question assumes that I have. That's putting words in my mouth.
 

Blik

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If I wanted to accuse you, I would do so. I asked you a question.
And as you cannot say that you simply want to discuss scripture then "if I choose to do so" as you say, I can choose not to go into an accusing posting with you.
 

Dino246

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And as you cannot say that you simply want to discuss scripture then "if I choose to do so" as you say, I can choose not to go into an accusing posting with you.
If you don't want to answer the question, that is your choice. If you choose to feel offended when I call you on a logical fallacy, that is also your choice. Why you get offended over such things is beyond me though; it's like being offended that 2 + 2 = 4 rather than 5.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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another ring around the rosy thread

this topic in particular though, is easily answered from scripture

the problem occurs when someone states we still MUST observe what the Jewish people were told to observe

maybe liken it to what Paul said about circumcision

it does not make you a Jew or better in God's eyes and neither does observing dates and times
 

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I have not said anything about God condemning Christians who do celebrate the feasts, but your question assumes that I have. That's putting words in my mouth.
No to both assertions.
I'm sorry you read my query in such a way. My post was a question in two parts, though the first part got cut off somehow. My questions were based on your question to Blik. (below)
I'm saying, do you consider it necessary for Christians to celebrate the feasts? If so, what is your scriptural support for this belief?

Going from that question put to Blik, I asked you, firstly, breaking the two part question down here for your consideration: (the part that was cut out of the final post. I should have noticed that but it appeared when I previewed so I thought it would post. That's my mistake.) First part of that question: Do you think God would not approve a Christian honoring the feasts?
Second part of the question that did post: If you think not, (to clarify here: If you think God would not approve) , where is it written that God would condemn the Christian if they did choose to celebrate the remaining feasts?

I hope that helps to better articulate my first question to you. Thank you for your patience.