You do know Dave that the Catholic Church adds WORKS to everything God says?
And you know this how? Were you ever Catholic? Do you know someone personally that is a Catholic and they revealed this to you? Are you an export on the Catholic religion? i know many Christian who adds WORKS to everything God says, does that make them Catholic? If you KNOW this, please tell HOW you KNOW that to be True.
According to Catholicism Salvation is received by Faith and Grace AND Works. Catholicism also teaches one becomes Righteous AFTER they by their own Works make themselves Righteous. In other words once the Catholics have made themselves Righteous God then declares they are Righteous.
So you are testifying that those who are Catholic do not live by, or believe their own Bible? I think the Protestant Church has forgotten that Catholics have the exact same Bible that we do, Same words from Jesus, Same teachings from the Apostles. And if Catholics are NOT believing in their own Bible i can see that happening, we are living in the last days are we not? But are the Catholics any different than the Christians who are not Catholic? Do Christians believe their own Bible? NO, not this generation. The Bible teaches to "Awake to Righteousness and sin not" Christians don't believe that is even possible. Do they believe the Bible when it teaches all things are possible, apparently not, they think it is impossible to cease from sin. Do they believe the Bible which teaches That those who can't cease from sin are called Cursed children according to the very Bible they say they believe. If then Catholics come up with their own doctrines that is not supported by Scriptures, then they are indeed wrong. But Christians also are dead wrong when they come up with their own doctrines that is not supported by Scriptures as well.
Is it not written to work out your own Salvation. Many Christians believe they are covered by the Blood of Jesus, many believe they are cleansed by His Blood, and nothing else is required. Yet the altogether fail to understand the Scriptures which plainly teach to be covered by His Blood is CONDITIONAL.
1Jn 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
IF = Conditional. And i assure you, anyone who knowingly and willingly commits sin, is NOT walking in the light like Jesus did. ONLY when you walk in the light like He did, is all your sins covered. But as long as this generation chooses to sin, that is they knowingly and willingly choose to do something they know is sinful and against God, yet does it anyways, IS NOT WALKING LIKE JESUS DID.
Do you know all the verses which plainly teach "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" Now i don't care what men of this generation teach His commandments are. i only care about what the Word of God Plainly teaches His Commandments are.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1)
believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2)
love one another, as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Now believing on Jesus is the Faith part of keeping His Commandments. The Loving one another is the Works part of His Commandments. Those who Truly Love One Another WILL HAVE WORKS, not because they have too, not because they are trying to earn Salvation, they will HAVE WORKS because they LOVE ONE ANOTHER. How can a person have LOVE (Jesus) inside of them, and not have WORKS. Faith only is dead. Works only is dead.
Faith + Works = Salvation. Because anyone who claims to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and does nothing to help others, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give to charities, help the needy, Has NO LOVE. Scriptures teach our works proves what is in our hearts. Someone with no works proves that Jesus is not in their hearts, because if Jesus were in their hearts, they would be helping the needy, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, they would have a heart to help people. NOT sitting at home watching TV, watching sports, playing games, or what ever else people do which doesn't help a soul.
The Catholics has added their own Works in the Scriptures. This is what i believe is what Ken is trying to say.
How you can KNOW that is what Ken is trying to say is by asking Ken "Ken what are you trying to say?"
Are there True Christians in the Catholic Church? I would say maybe. But the odds are against it because if a Catholic rejects what the Catholic Church says they are cast out of the Church. The Catholics believe if you are not a member in good standing in the Catholic Church you then cannot enter into Heaven.
It seems to me this is True. i do not agree with what the Catholic Church teaches. Do i know what they teach, no. But what i do know which some of the Catholic members have testified (not that any one member can speak for the entire Church) what they believe is in error and yes some of what they believe even contradicts Scriptures. But are they any different than the Protestant Church. We disagree so much, the protestant church is so divided, which is evident because of its hundreds of different denominations. In the beginning there was only ONE Protestant Church that separated itself from the Catholic Church. Then that one Protestant Church disagreed on a particular matter and split. Thus denominations were born. Scriptures teach "to be of one mind" "To think the same things" This generation is so divided it is absolutely pathetic. We can't even have a Bible study any more, because everyone has different versions of the Bible all claiming theirs is the Word of God. So even Bible studies seems to be a thing of the past. Isn't it well known statement, two things you don't argue about, religion and politics. So who wants to go to a Bible study if every time you go it end up in arguments. Oh the enemy is very good at what he does. And division is his goal. If we are not ONE, we are not powerful against him. We are no longer one body. Catholics and what they teach, i see no difference between what Christians and what they teach. For which of them believes the very words of the Book they call the Word of God?
A parent of a certain house fails to feed his children which are hungry, yet that same parent points his/her finger at the neighbor saying how evil the parents are for letting their children thirst by not giving them water.
Catholics are THIS, Catholics are THAT. All the while Christians are not better then they. First get your own house in order that you may be able to effectively help your neighbor. Should someone who is addicted to nicotine tell another they are evil because they are addicted to drugs?
No Catholic is going to take the chance of not entering into Heaven if they question what the Catholic Church teaches.
Not all Catholics believe you can't question. If no Catholic ever questioned, then their would be no Catholics who converts to Protestant Church. If no Catholic left the Church, then i would believe your statement above. But in Truth many Catholics have left the Catholic Church, and it is most likely because they did question it.
The Catholics do not have the same Bible we have. Their Bible have added books that are false.
i have read the qu'ran, i have read the Book of Mormon, i have read the Lost Books of the Bible, i have read what the Hindus teach, i have read what Buddhist teaches, and yes i have read the Catholic Bible. And Every Book we have in the New Testament, They have an identical Book in their Bible as well. Difference is they have added 5 other Books to their Bible, but they do have the exact same New Testament that we do. And concerning those five books (not saying they are Godly, Evil, Good or Bad) but concerning those five books you say they are false. How are they false, Do they contradict the Word of God, and if so, please reveal it. Or are you making this statement not really knowing they are false, but just saying they are because that is what you believe. Have you read them to make such a judgement about them?
Also you do know Dave that the Catholics put their Unwritten Traditions above the Scriptures. The list of Authority on the Truth is the Pope first, the teachings of the Catholic Church second, then the Scriptures being at the very bottom and last on the list.
And if that is True, that is most assuredly wrong. But can you make the statement that all Catholics believe that? No you can't. The problem i am seeing is the wording you are using. For example, it would have been better for you to say "Also you do know Dave that most Catholics put their Unwritten Traditions above the Scriptures." This is more likely to be True, than saying it as you did, which indicates anyone who claims to be a Catholic does this. and that is not True. What i have seen in this thread is the condemning of Sister Teresa, based on the mere fact that she was a Catholic. Again, lumping all Catholics together as a whole and not a one of them going to Heaven nonsense. As i said before if Sister Teresa worshiped Mary as her God then she will not enter into Heaven. But did she do that? Where is the proof that she did? Are you judging her as worshiping Mary because that is what most Catholics do? If Sister Teresa did all her Good works because she thought it would get her to Heaven, then that too would not allow her into Heaven. But did she the Good works to get to Heaven or did she Good works because LOVE (Jesus) was in her heart? Did she believe Jesus was the Son of God? Yes or No? Did she ever pray to Jesus? Never? Not even once? Did she repent of her sins because of what Jesus done? She had the exact same Gospels that we do. She read Matthew, she read Mark, she read Luke, she read John. She read all the words Jesus spoke in red. Are you going to tell me she did not believe in her own Bible? If so, How so. Did she ever say these things? Did she say she worshiped Mary? what i see is a whole lot of accusations against a person who LOVED much, Calling that which is good, evil. That is how i see it. Now if she was evil and worshiped Mary as her God, prove it? If a person is going to accuse another of something, the burden of proof is always on the one doing the accusing. So if you and others believe she worshiped Mary as her God, then show where she had did that, or show where she had said that, or even show where someone else testifies that is what she said or done, because if you can't do any of those things, it is just hearsay, and false witnessing of a child of God, which you are too.
How can a Catholic who Worships Mary be our Sister or Brother in Jesus Christ?
How can a Christian who accuses another without any evidence whatsoever make any kind of judgement at all against others? It says to not judge according to appearance, but that is exactly what you have done.
Do you not know Dave we are to have nothing to do with darkness?
Sure do. i only walk in the light, i do no darkness at all. Anyone who knowingly and willingly commits sin, is in darkness even until now. Anyone who continues to live in sin, continues to walk in darkness. God is light. satan is darkness. Those who only obey Jesus walk in the light, those who only obey satan walk in darkness. Those who obey both Jesus and satan, walk in darkness as well, they are lukewarm and Jesus will spew them out of His mouth. Yea we are to have nothing to do with darkness. So let us point at the darkness of Catholics all the while darkness fills our own souls because of repeated sins, which this generation doesn't believe they can cease from.
Can you prove Dave that Mother Teresa never bowed down nor served Mary other then by your flapping lips?
You got is all wrong brother, i am not accusing her of doing anything at all. i have not accused her worshiping Jesus. i have not accused her of worshiping God, i have not accused her of anything at all. But from the start YOU and others have accused her of worshiping Mary as her God, and have not been able to show anything that would lead me to believe that your accusation is correct. So i am forced to believe your accusation is false. If i would have accused her of worshiping Jesus, i would have shown in her book where she said "I love Jesus" or the part where she said "I worship the Son of God, Jesus Christ" or i would have shown an article which was a testimony that such and such heard Sister Teresa say she Severs only Jesus Christ. But i can't make such an accusation that Sister Teresa worshiped Jesus, because i do not know if she did or did not worship Him. i never read that she did, i never heard that she did. Therefore i could never bare false witness against her by saying "Sister Teresa worshiped Jesus". i don't know that she did, i know know that she didn't. my point is and always has been in talking in this thread, is neither do you know she worshiped Mary as her God. And when i genuinely asked for the proof that she did, i really did not know if she did or not, and was willing to see the proof of your accusations against her. But no proof came, no evidence, no support to back up such an accusation, therefore it has to be false testimony against a child of God. Something you should NOT do to anyone, it is against God to accuse your brothers and sisters. It is against God to falsely accuse ANYONE even an atheist. But here in this thread i am seeing a person being falsely accused. i say False, because there has not been one shred of evidence to prove otherwise, even after repeatedly asking for it.
Show us proof Dave that Mother Teresa rejected Mary.
If i accused Sister Teresa of rejecting Mary, then the burden of proof would be on me, to show the reason why i am accusing her of rejecting Mary. But since i made no accusations at all concerning Sister Teresa, i need not prove anything. Now if i did accuse her of this or that, than ask me to prove this or that.
You do know Dave that praying the Hail Mary is Idolatry? You do know Dave that praying the Rosary is Idolatry?
Well lets examine it:
[h=3]Hail Mary[/h] Hail Mary, full of grace. (This is True) The Lord is with thee. (This is True)
Blessed art thou amongst women, (This is True and Scriptures teach that)
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (This is True, imagine that the Hail Mary, includes the name of Jesus)
Holy Mary,(This is True) Mother of God, (This is True, she was the Mother of Jesus and Jesus is God)
pray for us sinners, (This is questionable)
now and at the hour of our death. (Questionable) Amen.
Idolatry?????? Seriously you say this is idolatry? Where is the worshiping of Mary as a God. The above testifies that Mary is the Mother of God, NOT GOD. So you can't say they think Mary is God by the Hail Mary. What i see here in this prayer is people praying to a dead person which is actually asleep right now, nor can she hear anyone at all, because she is asleep. Sure i believe it is wrong to pray to dead people, i believe it is wrong to pray to Saints and the such. And even in the Hail Mary i believe it is wrong that they are asking for Mary to intercede for them. But idolatry? i don't see that all. Now if you can show me in Scriptures where it teaches if a person prays to a dead person, that is idolatry i would then have to believe the Hail Mary is idolatry. But if it is Truly idolatry because they pray to Mary, then it would also be idolatry for a child to pray to his/her Mother. Or for a man to pray to his grandma or grandpa. If praying to Mary is idolatry, then it is idolatry for anyone who prays to their loved ones as well. You do error in thinking the Hail Mary is idolatry. Just because someone says the Hail Mary does NOT mean they worship Mary. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Hail Mary which indicates worshiping her. Now if the Hail Mary would have said something like Mary is God, or Mary is worthy to be worshiped, then i would have to agree it is idolatry. But as it is now, there is NOTHING in the Hail Mary that indicates to worship Mary, that is only in the minds of men who thinks there is.
(This is True)
Galatians 5:19-21
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19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
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20 [/SUP]
idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
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21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which
I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who practice Idolatry can never enter into Heaven Dave and this also applies to the Catholics.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who practices idolatry will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven unless they repent and cease to practice idolatry.
Definition of idolatry
Webster = the worship of a picture or object as a god
Dictionary.com = the religious worship of idols.
Easton's Bible Dictionary = image-worship or divine honour paid to any created object.
The Best definition that i have heard = An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God.
Did Sister Teresa worship a picture? Did she worship an object? Did she bow down and worship a statue? Did she replace God with Mary? Then Yes all these things would be considered idolatry. But saying a prayer to a dead person which is sleeping is NOT idolatry, no matter how many people think it is.
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