Which Covenant?

[BarlyGurl]

Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Now we must remember:
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and theyare life.

The everlasting covenant includes dead flesh, from before the beginning. The flesh of God has always been cut off/dead in it's power to motivate The Spirit of God.

We see that God has always been a eunuch, even before the Holy/dead flesh of God came to this earth.

Mat_19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Remember that all things are possible, and the command to those able to recieve it, is to recieve it. Jesus/God recieved it before creation, and His flesh has always been circumsised, and will always be (especially from a spiritual perspective). He proved His flesh has been cut off from the beginning when the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and died for us.

Your theology is SO DEEPLY FLAWED... you have a freakishly weird and unbalanced focus on the mystical "spiritness". You should stop spreading this warped mysticism and polluting the minds of others. Now would be a really good time for you entirely embrace YOUR "spiritness" cut off yourself from the "flesh" and refrain from applying your fleshly fingers to the computer keyboard. Spend some time doing the first things and get on the right path.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Your theology is SO DEEPLY FLAWED... you have a freakishly weird and unbalanced focus on the mystical "spiritness". You should stop spreading this warped mysticism and polluting the minds of others. Now would be a really good time for you entirely embrace YOUR "spiritness" cut off yourself from the "flesh" and refrain from applying your fleshly fingers to the computer keyboard. Spend some time doing the first things and get on the right path.

Any Biblical support for your accusations?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Also, to be a eunuch does not necessarily mean you have to literally cut off your body part as a male. A woman can also be a eunuch.

Joh 6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you,theyare spirit, andtheyare life.

Also, the first man and woman were made by a eunuch, without sex of the flesh.

 

[Elin]

Interesting question. lately I have been reading some of the posts on here regarding the 7th day Sabbath of The Lord God.

One of the main arguments that I see given is that it si part of the Old Covenant. well lets take a look at the Covenants. . .

con't. . .

Listen to what God says to Moses at the burning bush:

Exo 6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
Exo 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

God will Establish, confirm the same covenant/promise with them that he did Abraham. read verse 3.

The text says God has already established the covenant in v. 4.

The establishment was past, not future.

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

now God makes the covenant clear that it is based on obedience to God. same reason we read that Abraham received the Covenant.

Yes, the covenant with Abraham to be their God was conditioned on obedience,
and the Sinaitc covenant was also conditioned on obedience to the Ten Commandments, which were the covenant.

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

notice here that the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant that is eternal in nature. if the covenant is eternal then so is the sign of the covenant.

Yes, covenants had signs.

The sign of the covenant with Noah was a rainbow.
The sign of the conditional covenant with Abraham was circumcision (Ge 17).
The sign of the temporary Mosaic covenant, which was added to the Abrahamic covenant, was the Sabbath.

Signs were a reminder of covenant commitments.
They were not covenants.

And in the NT, the temporary Mosaic (Sinaitic) covenant , along with its sign, has now been made obsolete (Heb 8:13) and, therefore,
the Mosaic law has also been set aside (Heb 7:18-19).

In the New Covenant, Christ is our Sabbath, in whom we rest from all work to earn righteousness (Heb 4:9).

In the New Covenant, the law is in our hearts, not in a written code.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Any Biblical support for your accusations?

The everlasting covenant includes dead flesh, from before the beginning. The flesh of God has always been cut off/dead in it's power to motivate The Spirit of God.

We see that God has always been a eunuch, even before the Holy/dead flesh of God came to this earth.

PROVE THOSE... which you can't... vain imaginations... get out your bible and try to prove them... and I wil use mine to prove your error.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

 

[Powemm]

Wich covenant? How about the one he says ". Hey! You guys ! I've made some promises to you, no matter what ! I'm going to
Keep them all and I'm even going to being you to them ..... Oh yes !! God is a rockstar!!!

 

[BarlyGurl]

Any Biblical support for your accusations?

also Jon... Just to make it PERFECTLY CLEAR. I am not "ACCUSING" you... accusation are when "saying" someone did something ... without proof. Which places the Burden of Proof upon the parties to prove or disprove a claim. I am not accussing YOU. I am JUDGING your theology based on the evidence you have liberally sprinkled thru-out the CC forums and have drawn a firm conclusion from them.... and have decided that this most recent contribution of yours is as good as any other to point out your error in a more clear and precise manner... since yo haven't ever seemed to recieve any the other more gentle corrections I have noticed from others. Mysticsm and spiritism are lies... Stop spreading them... rid yourself of the error.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

also Jon... Just to make it PERFECTLY CLEAR. I am not "ACCUSING" you... accusation are when "saying" someone did something ... without proof. Which places the Burden of Proof upon the parties to prove or disprove a claim. I am not accussing YOU. I am JUDGING your theology based on the evidence you have liberally sprinkled thru-out the CC forums and have drawn a firm conclusion from them.... and have decided that this most recent contribution of yours is as good as any other to point out your error in a more clear and precise manner... since yo haven't ever seemed to recieve any the other more gentle corrections I have noticed from others. Mysticsm and spiritism are lies... Stop spreading them... rid yourself of the error.

Any Biblical support to contradict what I have written? No.

I am from Heaven. I am less than a half hour old, am not male or female, don't know my eternal name yet, and have the same Father as you. Even though I have two kids according to the flesh, I really have no children, they are fellow-heirs, and my spiritual family, which is eternal.

If you cannot understand that the flesh of God existed before Jesus was born on this earth, then I'm sorry, but I don't blame you, you are just under the power of something besides God.

1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

I'm not saying you're not of God, I'm saying that the spirit you are under the power of right now is not of God, in the same way that Jesus spoke to Peter and called him Satan. Jesus wasn't saying that Peter was not of God, but Jesus discerned that Peter was under the power of Satan, and pointed it out (this was after Peter confessed that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh, which means Peter was born of God from the beginning).

 

[BarlyGurl]

Any Biblical support to contradict what I have written? No.

I am from Heaven. I am less than a half hour old, am not male or female, don't know my eternal name yet, and have the same Father as you. Even though I have two kids according to the flesh, I really have no children, they are fellow-heirs, and my spiritual family, which is eternal.

If you cannot understand that the flesh of God existed before Jesus was born on this earth, then I'm sorry, but I don't blame you, you are just under the power of something besides God.

1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

I'm not saying you're not of God, I'm saying that the spirit you are under the power of right now is not of God, in the same way that Jesus spoke to Peter and called him Satan. Jesus wasn't saying that Peter was not of God, but Jesus discerned that Peter was under the power of Satan, and pointed it out (this was after Peter confessed that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh, which means Peter was born of God from the beginning).

Your double speak is garbage... it is a LYING SPIRIT who pollutes this Forum with confusion under the guise of enlightenment which is not of God. By the authority and power of JESUS Christ, depart.... Amen.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Your double speak is garbage... it is a LYING SPIRIT who pollutes this Forum with confusion under the guise of enlightenment which is not of God. By the authority and power of JESUS Christ, depart.... Amen.

No scripture to support all that you are saying?

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Laodicea]

Exodus 25:8
(8) And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
Exodus 25:22
(22) And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
1 Samuel 4:4
(4) So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth between the cherubims: and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

In the old covenant God dwelt between the cherubims
John 14:17
(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

In the new it is internal. In the old the Holy Spirit dwelt between the cherubims in the sanctuary. The old is external while the new is internal.

Jeremiah 31:31-33
(31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
(33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The Law of God in the old was in the ark of the covenant (external) while in the new it is in us (internal).

 

[BarlyGurl]

Wich covenant? How about the one he says ". Hey! You guys ! I've made some promises to you, no matter what ! I'm going to
Keep them all and I'm even going to being you to them ..... Oh yes !! God is a rockstar!!!

Uh... God is a Rock Star????

Don't forget you have to know exactly who and what the promised are for...right?

 

[Abiding]

No scripture to support all that you are saying?

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Jon, i have an honest question. This is not a jab. Are you taking medications. If so what kind? ty

 

[Elin]

Joh 6:49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

This might be a good place to point out the meaning of Jesus' sacrificial language here.

In the Old Testament (OT), one of the five different sacrifices involved a sacrificial meal of the animal sacrificed (slaughtered)
whose blood had been applied to the brazen altar of sacrifice.

The purpose of the meal was to receive (participate in) the benefits of the sacrifice, which were forgiveness of sin, reconciliation and fellowship with God.

Jesus is referring to the sacrificial meal of the NT, the Lord's Supper, in which we participate (1Co 10:16) in the benefits of Christ's sacrifice, through faith by grace.

The benefits are those of his heavenly ministry of interceding, sanctifying, transforming, and preserving (keeping) us for glory, through his Spirit (Jn 15:26).

Jesus is using sacrificial language in Jn 6:49-58, whose meaning is based in the OT sacrificial sytsem, which was a pattern/shadow (Heb 10:1)
showing the purpose, meaning and benefits of his own sacrifice.