Which Jesus are you trusting ?

[Blain]

As far as the trinity goes I found this quite interesting as I was searching for any kind of evidence in scripture for the trinity it would appear that the hebrew language does speak on the concept


The prefix “ha” means “the”. The word Shi•loosh means “Trinity” and “ka•dosh” means “holy.” Although the Jewish faith has no reference to this concept, the Hebrew language recognizes the Trinity respectfully. The usage of the word “ka•dosh,” testifies to this respectful characterization. This is very unique because the Hebrew language cannot otherwise characterize any precepts, doctrines or theological concepts of other religions as holy. Here we see a full recognition of this major pillar of the Christian faith on part of the Hebrew language.
The word Shi•loosh comes from sha•losh (three).
The elements of Ha•shi•loosh Ha•ka•dosh are:
1. Ha•Av – The Father
2. Ha•Ben – The Son
3. Ru•ach Ha•Ko•desh – The Holy Spirit

 

[justbyfaith]

Your false testimony is as clear as day and speaks volumes about you...


1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. ~KJV


Now don't you wish you could just make that verse go away?

The verse in question is perfectly reconciled with my theology.

So, I don't need to make it go away.

 

[justbyfaith]

Your attempt to misrepresent what Trinitarians believe is disgraceful, almost as disgraceful as your false testimony that the "Father became the Son" to be the Savior of the world, when the bible clearly says the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world...

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. ~KJV

I'll be praying for your lost soul

I'll be praying for your lost soul (you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42)).

I do not misrepresent what Trinitarians believe;

But I am aware that there are those who hide behind the label of "Trinitarian" who are not Trinitarian at all but are in all reality Tritheists.

These are those who believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate rather than distinct.

 

[justbyfaith]

That verse you posted was not written to you or I.
I got a better one.

Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

"and" there is "kai" in Greek; which can be translated as "even".

 

[justbyfaith]

I can fully understand why you have eliminated 1 John 4:14 from your bogus theology...anything that disagrees with your false testimony about the Son of God you completely ignore.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. ~KJV


Now here is another verse you need to eliminate from your bible...

Matthew 17
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out
of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. ~KJV

Yes, the Father inhabits eternity as a Spirit without flesh...

Who lived one eternal moment and then descended to take on an added nature of human flesh.

Otherwise, if Jesus is eternally begotten, that is two Gods in heaven, and when Jesus ascends again to fill all things (to exist outside of time that will amount to a quadrinity; since Jesus exists outside of time before He descends and when He ascends to again exist outside of time He will exist side-by-side with His former self and the Father and the Holy Ghost. That amounts to four Gods in heaven.

I have no problem with either of the verses that you have set forth.

The Father exists in heaven without flesh and also lived one eternal moment and then took on human flesh,

Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

So, the Father exists in heaven; while the same Spirit as the Father, come in flesh, exists on earth.

The Father is in eternity which in this case overlaps with time, the time in which Jesus walked the earth.

Jesus did speak of "the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13) even though He was on earth at that time.

 

[BonnieClaire]

The verse in question is perfectly reconciled with my theology.
So, I don't need to make it go away.

The Son is the Father come in human flesh (see Hebrews 10:5).

No, you claim the Father became the Son, and 1 John 4:14 says He sent the Son...huge difference between what you say and what the bible says...

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. ~KJV

 

[BonnieClaire]

I'll be praying for your lost soul (you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42)).

I do not misrepresent what Trinitarians believe;

But I am aware that there are those who hide behind the label of "Trinitarian" who are not Trinitarian at all but are in all reality Tritheists.

These are those who believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate rather than distinct.

No we believe in one God, revealed in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

 

[BonnieClaire]

Yes, the Father inhabits eternity as a Spirit without flesh...

Who lived one eternal moment and then descended to take on an added nature of human flesh.

Otherwise, if Jesus is eternally begotten, that is two Gods in heaven, and when Jesus ascends again to fill all things (to exist outside of time that will amount to a quadrinity; since Jesus exists outside of time before He descends and when He ascends to again exist outside of time He will exist side-by-side with His former self and the Father and the Holy Ghost. That amounts to four Gods in heaven.

I have no problem with either of the verses that you have set forth.

The Father exists in heaven without flesh and also lived one eternal moment and then took on human flesh,

Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

So, the Father exists in heaven; while the same Spirit as the Father, come in flesh, exists on earth.

The Father is in eternity which in this case overlaps with time, the time in which Jesus walked the earth.

Jesus did speak of "the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13) even though He was on earth at that time.

No, the eternal Son became flesh, and that's the one who was with the Father from eternity.
There is nothing in the word that says the Father became the Son, for the Son is eternal as stated in 1 John 1:2...


1 John 1:1-3
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. ~KJV

 

[justbyfaith]

There is a son that would be given and His name will be called among other things The everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6)...

In order to deny this you have to change the wording of that scripture (Isaiah 9:6) not once, but twice...

 

[justbyfaith]

All the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus in bodily form (Colossians 2:9)...

Is the Father not a member of the Godhead?

It should be clear that the Father is the Spirit who dwells in Jesus Christ (John 4:23-23, John 14:7-11).

 

[justbyfaith]

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12), and the Holy Ghost (John 7:39, 2 Timothy 1:14).

One Lord (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

One God (Ephesians 4:6); the Father (Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6, James 3:9 (kjv)), the Son (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 8:58, Exodus 3:14; John 8:59, John 10:31-33), and the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:26-27).

There are not nine members of the Trinity.

Everyone should read Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 in light of this information.

It is written,

Tit 2:1, But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

 

[BonnieClaire]

There are not nine members of the Trinity.

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12), and the Holy Ghost (John 7:39, 2 Timothy 1:14).

One Lord (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

One God (Ephesians 4:6); the Father (Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6, James 3:9 (kjv)), the Son (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 8:58, Exodus 3:14; John 8:59, John 10:31-33), and the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:26-27).

There are not nine members of the Trinity.

Everyone should read Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 in light of this information.

It is written,

Tit 2:1, But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Remember, the Son is eternal and has always been the Son...

1 John 1

2 For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. ~KJV

Nowhere in the bible does it say the Father morphed into the Son, no more than your father morphed into you...but I for one will continue to pray that the Lord will guide you away from your cult before it's too late.

 

[justbyfaith]

Remember, the Son is eternal and has always been the Son...

1 John 1

2 For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. ~KJV

Nowhere in the bible does it say the Father morphed into the Son, no more than your father morphed into you...but I for one will continue to pray that the Lord will guide you away from your cult before it's too late.

In verse 3, above, the word translated "and" is "kai" and can be translated as "even".

When the Son ascended, He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) and this to be outside of time. So, verse 2 is also not against my theology in any fashion.

I know that I know that I know that I have the Holy Ghost...

It is absolutely promised to me that He would come into my life if I would fulfill the condition of a promise...and I have fulfilled that condition (Acts 2:38-39).

Your judgment of me does not faze me in the slightest...but it does motivate me to pray for you.

Because if you are judging me to be without salvation for that I have fulfilled the condition of a conditional promise to be able to receive remission of sins and the Holy Ghost...

then I consider that you are blind to what the scriptures actually say and also have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

The Son was begotten, not eternally; but in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

 

[justbyfaith]

Did 1/3 of God descend to become a Man?

Was it a 2nd God?

Or, was it God?

What is the biblical answer (show scripture to support your answer)?

 

[BonnieClaire]

In verse 3, above, the word translated "and" is "kai" and can be translated as "even".

When the Son ascended, He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) and this to be outside of time. So, verse 2 is also not against my theology in any fashion.

I know that I know that I know that I have the Holy Ghost...

It is absolutely promised to me that He would come into my life if I would fulfill the condition of a promise...and I have fulfilled that condition (Acts 2:38-39).

Your judgment of me does not faze me in the slightest...but it does motivate me to pray for you.

Because if you are judging me to be without salvation for that I have fulfilled the condition of a conditional promise to be able to receive remission of sins and the Holy Ghost...

then I consider that you are blind to what the scriptures actually say and also have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

The Son was begotten, not eternally; but in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

Heavens to Betsy! I didn't realize I was speaking to a Greek scholar!

Nevertheless, nowhere in the bible does it say the Father morphed into the Son, no more than your father morphed into you. Time is running out for you, so get saved today...you can begin by praying God will forgive you for twisting his word.

 

[justbyfaith]

Heavens to Betsy! I didn't realize I was speaking to a Greek scholar!

Nevertheless, nowhere in the bible does it say the Father morphed into the Son, no more than your father morphed into you. Time is running out for you, so get saved today...you can begin by praying God will forgive you for twisting his word.

I was saved at the age of 17, and converted to what I believe in now later on in life.

I assume you don't believe in eternal security if you think that I lost my salvation somewhere along the line...

And also, if I did, then I fell away from the faith and cannot be brought again to repentance.

All because I did what Peter said to do in Acts 2:38-39...

 

[BonnieClaire]

Did 1/3 of God descend to become a Man?

The Son of God descended to become a man, and his Father spoke to him from heaven...

Luke 3:21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. ~KJV

Once again you can see that the Father didn't morph into his Son, and that three persons of the Trinity are present at the same time.

Was it a 2nd God?
Or, was it God?
What is the biblical answer (show scripture to support your answer)?

There is one God, even you believe that and tremble...


James 2:19
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Get saved today!

 

[justbyfaith]

Heavens to Betsy! I didn't realize I was speaking to a Greek scholar!

Nevertheless, nowhere in the bible does it say the Father morphed into the Son, no more than your father morphed into you. Time is running out for you, so get saved today...you can begin by praying God will forgive you for twisting his word.

My understanding of God's word is based on extensive Bible reading and seeking the Holy Spirit for answers.

It is your judgment that I am twisting it; but I am not going to ask God to forgive me for twisting it until and unless I become aware that I have been twisting it.

That will take someone showing me in what manner I have twisted it; and what the correct interpretation is bases on the teaching of holy scripture.

I believe what I believe; and I believe it based on extensive reading of the word.

It will take someone showing me in the word how my theology is wrong for me to repent of preaching what I am preaching; for I believe that what I am preaching is correct to the highest degree.

If others denounce what I am preaching as false doctrine, I consider that to be persecution for righteousness' sake and I consider that I am in good company with Paul the apostle (see Acts 24:14 (kjv))...if they can show me how the Bible contradicts me ypoint of view and there is no answer from my perspective, then I might be more inclined to change my point of view over to what the other person is preaching.

I have changed my point of view on quite a few occasions; and I believe that I am closer to the truth now than before I was convinced of the point of view that I now hold concerning many things.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Son of God descended to become a man, and his Father spoke to him from heaven...

Luke 3:21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. ~KJV

Once again you can see that the Father didn't morph into his Son, and that three persons of the Trinity are present at the same time.

My answer to this is that the Father exists as a Spirit inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15). He lived one eternal moment and then descended into time in order to take on human flesh;

Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

The same Spirit exists in eternity as the one true God (John 17:3);

and in human flesh in the Person of the incarnation of the one true God (He is truly God).

There is one God; even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));

Who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Anything else is Tritheism.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is one God, even you believe that and tremble...


James 2:19
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Get saved today!

Mat 10:25, It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?