Which laws are and are not valid?

[JaumeJ]

If we are seeing only detractors of living in grace as children of obedience, it could be said it is sad, but the messges of most are filled with faith, hope and love because of salvation in Jesus Christ. Walk in live in the fresh daily grace and mercy of Jesus Christ as a child of obedience, and there is nothing ever to fear, for our Salvation has been won on the Cross.

 

[Elin]

Elin, if you read my previous posts today, I believe you will find they condur with your responses to some lines from what I have posted. I believe they do anyway. It is a shame that in a thread oft times it is easy to misunderstastand another because responding to one post not having read the related earlier posts leads to a wrong conclusion.

I have shared, as you have, no one in Jesus Christ is in condemnation.

As you have responded, I have made it clear that we learn about how to behave by Christs' Example and teaching.

Yes we live in Grace after coming to Jesus Christ, but as taught in the NT we also become children of obedience, no longer as we were, children of disobedience.

If we obey Christ, we will be, as best we can, obeying the law, though we do falter , but Jesus Christ has been perfect for us and now we are regarded as sin free and pure by God. If we do sin, we are not damned for Jesus is our Mediator.

Living in grace is no excuse not to learn and DD God's will as best we can, kn owing we will never be perfect until God' good , great and glorious day, at which time He will personally finish the work He began in each of us in an instant. Meanwhile we are to do His Word as best we are able.

Our Salvation is free, and no good work or law abiding saves us , not does it contribut to salvation, but our freedom is never an excuse to be purposely disobedient. Jesus teaches us all.

Yes he does. . .in the words spoken by him in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers in the entire NT.

God bless you Elin. I pray you are well and always on and in the Way given you by our Lord, Jesus Christ......amen.

Thank you.

 

[Elin]

Actually, God's law was given to God's people.
And the law written on scrolls was from God just as much as the law on tablets of stone, no difference.

The Ten Commandments were the basis of the Old Covenant, which is why they were kept in the Ark of the Testimony.

But only the Book of the Covenant, which was not the entire Moasic code, was kept beside the Ark.

I'm sorry but i dont agree with you.

About what?

This is what Jezus said in Mathew 5

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

It's about the ten commandements, nothing else, for all of us.

What is about the Ten Commandments?

Does Jesus say that here?

He mentioned only one commandment here.

NT believers are subject to the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; Gal 6:2; Ro 13:8, 9,10).
They are not subject to the entire Mosaic code which was the basis for the Old Covenant (Heb 7:18-19, 8:13).

 

[jaybird88]

With a new priest there must be a change in the law the book of Hebrews tells us. Therefore I believe that everything Jesus wants us to know about the Old Testament He brought it over to the New.

your using a NT scripture to scrap the word of the Almighty but you have nothing from the Hebrew bible (OT) to sync it with.

 

[Lifetrack]

Only one command? i suggest you read it again.

 

[Elin]

Forgive my repetition but this falls into something addressed earlier.

Yes, we live in grace and mercy after coming to Jesus Christ, thus we know the law from our hearts for teh veil is lifted fro our hearts andminds.

Those who are afraid of the law are still reading the law as though it is still engraved on stone, with no room for the uinderstanding that should come with truly understanding the law, justice, judgement, mercy and grace, not to mention love.

We who do our best to obey God's will keep in mind those precious teachings from Jesus Christ never usiing th elaw to condemn, for condemnation and death were defeated on the cross, this is
that curse of the law, no longer in effect rending the law holy and good until the earth and the moon are no more.

The law is holy and just with, or without, its curse for disobedience.

After this time there will be no need of teh education given us all by our turor, the law, for we shall have been made perfect, like Jesus Christ. We will not be Jesus Christ, but it is enough to be just like He. It is an incredible reward to consider.

So we, now children of obedience, no longer need that tutor, but we certainly need to always refer to the education that tutor has given us.....the law with no fear, for we do not read it as if it were in stone, cold with no judgmen, justice, grace, mercy and love...............now the Holy Spirit show us the way. Do not fear being children of obedience for
w are obedient to our Teacher, amen.

NT believers are subject to the words spoken by the Teacher in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers of the entire NT word of God.

 

[Elin]

I totally agree with you. I find the law God gave to Moses a tool for better understanding of my human nature, as God always knew me better than I knew myself. I see a more clear picture of God's excellent endorsements based on His love for mankind, and actually have been given a better glimpse (outlook) of His divine character which is actually His Name. In that respect it is clear that I am not under the law, but I have been lifted up by Christ Jesus who enables me to see the law in a Spiritual way rather than with a carnal mind as I did before being born again.

Yes, the law is spiritual because sin is spiritual, which the law was given to show.

 

[Elin]

We are blessed in having earnest desire to do God's will, and we are shown by the law just how desperately we need salvation. As the Word teaches in the OT, we cannot ransom ourselves.. PraiseYahweh for Yeshua, amen. Theree is no faith without hope, and
hope leads to faith in Jesus Christ.

That's faith leads to hope in Jesus Christ.

As Paul teaches us all, faith establishes the law, and I believe anythng establishd is confirmed for all of this age and in the next we will be perfectede.

Yes, faith establishes the law on its right ground, subject to the law of grace, as a means of sanctification, but not of justfiication.

Again I ask how can we be properly obedien children if we do not refer constantly to that
education insilled within us by our tutor?

Gentiles did not have that tutor.

Also, confirming all of our education is Jesus Christ's teaching

The words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers consists of the entire NT.

and example, that is if we do indeed model ourselves after His Example. He was perfect for us, but this does not leave us to use our grace as license, we too must do our best to be obedient.

Not forgetting his example of dying for sin, that we might die to sin.

Sin will not condemn us now, for we are in Christ, and He is our Mediator. It is not difficult, but it does rrequire faith to continue in this Way provide by our Salvation, Jesus Christ.

Sin cannot condemn us now (Ro 8:1) because we are made righteous (Ro 5:17)
through faith in Jesus Christ (Ro 1:17).

 

[Elin]

"(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" 2 Corinthians 6:2

Tomorrow will be also. It's a new life, not something that was finalized in the past with us. Jesus completed it, but we haven't yet. By His grace we will make it.

Our salvation has been finalized in the past. . .while our growing in its grace is a life-time event.

 

[Elin]

If we are seeing only detractors of living in grace as children of obedience, it could be said it is sad, but the messges of most are filled with faith, hope and love because of salvation in Jesus Christ. Walk in live in the fresh daily grace and mercy of Jesus Christ as a child of obedience, and there is nothing ever to fear, for our Salvation has been won on the Cross.

And if a son of God habitually fails in obedience, his Father will discipline him back into obedience in a heart-purifying process that will cause him to lose his taste for disobedience.

 

[Elin]

With a new priest there must be a change in the law the book of Hebrews tells us. Therefore I believe that everything Jesus wants us to know about the Old Testament He brought it over to the New.

your using a NT scripture to scrap the word of the Almighty

And what is the NT word of God. . .chopped liver?

but you have nothing from the Hebrew bible (OT) to sync it with.

That knife cuts both ways. . .where does the Hebrew Bible (OT) sync with the NT word of God spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers regarding changing the law?

 

[newlife7]

your using a NT scripture to scrap the word of the Almighty but you have nothing from the Hebrew bible (OT) to sync it with.

I'm not using the scripture to do that God did. I am just repeating what the scriptures say. Look you guys I'm righting these posts out of love. The letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

 

[JaumeJ]

The only Man Who understood all of the Word perfectly died for us all. Each person saved has been approched, rather founjd, by the Father to bring him to Jesus Christ in the manner required by that individual. It is a very personal event, and it cannot be reconciled by intellect; it results from hope leading to faith in Jesus Christ, so we must allow for others to know things we do not and be content with a good conscience in the sight of God. Praise Jesus Christ our Salvation, amen.

 

[Elin]

It's about the ten commandements, nothing else, for all of us.

What is about the Ten Commandments?

Does Jesus say that here?

He mentioned only one commandment here.

NT believers are subject to the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; Gal 6:2; Ro 13:8, 9,10).
They are not subject to the entire Mosaic code which was the basis for the Old Covenant (Heb 7:18-19, 8:13).

Only one command? i suggest you read it again.

I stand corrected. . .Jesus mentions two commandments there.

The question remains: does Jesus say there that it is about the Ten Commandments, nothing else?

 

[Elin]

The only Man Who understood all of the Word perfectly died for us all. Each person saved has been approched, rather founjd, by the Father to bring him to Jesus Christ in the manner required by that individual. It is a very personal event, and it cannot be reconciled by intellect;
it results from hope leading to faith in Jesus Christ,

Many have been saved who were not hoping to be so, for they knew nothing about any of it.

Paul tells us that the unregenerate man is hostile to God (Ro 8:7-8), he is not hoping for God.

Christian hope does not produce faith.
Rather, it requires Christian faith to even have hope.
That is why the NT states that faith leads to hope.

so we must allow for others to know things we do not and be content with a good conscience in the sight of God. Praise Jesus Christ our Salvation, amen.

No one knows what is not in the word God itself.

 

[Lifetrack]

I stand corrected. . .Jesus mentions two commandments there.

The question remains: does Jesus say there that it is about the Ten Commandments, nothing else?

Please keep in mind that i understand that the commandments no longer condemn us, there a guide to keep us awake.

Here is a hint why i say these things.

• First Commandment: You shall have no other gods before Me
  Matthew 4:10; 6:24; 22:37-38; Luke 4:8; Revelation 14:7.
• Second Commandment: Thou shalt not worship Idols
  Acts 15:20; 17:16; 29; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:9; 10:7, 14, 19; 12:2; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Galatians 5:20; Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15.
• Third Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain
  Matthew 5:33-34; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7.
• Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy
  Matthew 12:8, 12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:27-28; 6:2; Luke 4:16, 31; 6:5; 23:56; Acts 13:14, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:1-2; 18:4; Hebrews 4:4, 9-10 (See also Amplified, ASV, BBE, NASB, NIV, RSV and NRSV.)
• Fifth Commandment: Honour your father and your mother
  Matthew 15:4; 19:19; Mark 7:10; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:30; Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; 2 Timothy 3:2.
• Sixth Commandment: Thou shalt not Murder
  Matthew 5:21-22; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Galatians 5:21; 1 Timothy 1:9; James 2:11; 1 Peter 4:15; 1 John 3:15; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15.
• Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not commit Adultery
  Matthew 5:27-28; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:11-12, 19; Luke 16:18; 18:20; Acts 21:25; Romans 1:29; 2:22; 7:3; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9, 18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Hebrews 13:4; James 2:11; 2 Peter 2:14; Jude 1:7; Revelation 2:14; 2:21-22; 9:21.
• Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not Steal
  Matthew 19:18; Mark 7:22; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 2:21; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Peter 4:15; Revelation 9:21.
• Ninth Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness
  Matthew 15:19; 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 8:44; Acts 5:3-4; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Ephesians 4:25; Colossians 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:2; 2 Timothy 3:3; Revelation 21:8; 22:15.
• Tenth Commandment: Thou shalt not Covet your neighbour's things
  Mark 7:22; Luke 12:15; Acts 20:33; Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3, 5; 1 Timothy 6:10; 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 2:14; Hebrews 13:5.

 

[michael56]

I have found those who most stress obedience to the ten commandments are the ones who find it hardest to obey the law relating to the inner man. Nowt has changed in 2000 years, it cannot of course

 

[JaumeJ]

When I was saved, I prayed to the "Onje Wh Is." I was praying not pretending to know who or what the Maker of all that exists is. I was desperate, yet not so much as to remain hopeful for my anwer to come.

I went into a deep sleep and dreamed. What I dreamed was for me only, and would not make sense to most others.

Upone waking it seemed I was a sstranger on the earth, and I was left with the belief the dream was from the "One Who Is.

Later this day, I was conversing in my heart with the One about just how evil mankind is, and suddenly I realized I am a component of that mankind. Then I said to Him, "You are It." Atthat instand everything turned to light and it entered into me.

I ran back to the student union and a firend of mine asked, "Jack, what happened to you?" I replied, "God's spirit came into me, your God, Yahweh."

I was drwn to read the Bible for the first time in my life. That Bible was presented to me in a mostunusual manner. I was drawn by the One Who Is to Jesus Christ.

I was blessed with many miracles and manifestations of gifts for several years aafter accepting Jesus Christ. God has always let me know in unusual ways that He is read and He is caring for me.

Were I to recount my life before coming to Jesus Christ, you probably would think me a liar. Were I to recount my life since coming to Jesus Christ, many would not believe much I have to say.

Yes, if God shows Himself to me in a manner I have not read in the Word, Iknow He comes to all individuals in the manner each requires for He know the hearts and minds of everyone, for He really is Almight, Gentle and Good.

How can I deny what He has done for me. Yes, any believer has something to recount that is strictly his experience in knowing God Almight. You are no exception. It is not a formula, it is real, and it is usually very personal.

I praise Jesus Chrisst for all that has transpired in mhy life and in the lives of all who know Him for His working in ourlives is wondrous, marvelous, an dso very good.

In our Father sight we are all very special, and He proves it with each soul that is saved by Jesus Christ's sacrifice for us. You are no exception. God bless you, and please do not be caught up in teh written Word without the verification and life giving of the Holy Spirt.

 

[Lifetrack]

I have found those who most stress obedience to the ten commandments are the ones who find it hardest to obey the law relating to the inner man. Nowt has changed in 2000 years, it cannot of course

There is some truth in what you say, extra reason to enjoy Gods guide to keep us(me) awake.

 

[michael56]

There is some truth in what you say, extra reason to enjoy Gods guide to keep us(me) awake.

I'm curious as to why some stress the ten commandments so much as the yardstick as it were. Surely it would be better to stress the beatitudes for instance, or gal 6:2. That would seem far more relevant I would have thought.