Which laws are and are not valid?

[BS]

And you know that the born again do not practice them often enough, how?

Proverbs 12:15. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise
13:20. He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
26:12. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Ecclesiastes 7:16. Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?

Jeremiah 18:18. Then said they, Come and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.

Jacob 3:13. Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1Cor 3:18. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
6:5. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

2 Tim. 14-15
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith

Ezekiel 3:21. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Revel 12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[Elin]

Are you saying we are to keep the law for the sake of law keepers' salvation?

How did you get that out of what I posted to newlife7?

Try this example of Paul's on newlife7. It's Bible and has to work well.

1 Corinthians 9:19-22
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law,
as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;[SUP]
21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Just sayin'

These are strictly Paul's words that you are quoting in post 306.
I'm not saying anything.
I'm sure you can answer your own question cause all you have is Paul's writings here.

So you were not applying Paul's words in any particular way to any particular matter. . .just randomly throwin' 'em out there for trial on newlife7?

That's good to know. . .

If we accuse others as being under the law, or, if in fact they are really under the law,

Who outside Christ, other than Jews, think they are under the law?

why not do as Paul did with those who were under the law.

So you were saying we are to keep the law for the sake of law keepers' salvation,
to gain souls for Christ.

Then why do you ask How did you get that out of what I posted?

And why did you say I'm not saying anything. . .

Can't you comprehend the words of Paul in this respect? I'll refine the scripture for you, and focus just on one part.

We are talking about gaining souls for Christ using the concepts of the law in order to relate to those who we think are under it. That's fulfilling the law of love. . .

<in little ole lady's voice of Buick commercial> that's what I said!

You're confused. . .

 

[Elin]

Some people will say that the same GOD that spoke in the new testament also spoke in the old testament and he never changes.
I wish they would understand the difference.

Some people don't know the difference between a changing plan and a changing character.
They think that a multi-faceted plan has to mean a changing mind and character.

As if a parent has only one plan of action in raising their children.

 

[Elin]

Proverbs 12:15. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise
13:20. He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
26:12. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Ecclesiastes 7:16. Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?

Jeremiah 18:18. Then said they, Come and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.

Jacob 3:13. Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1Cor 3:18. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
6:5. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

2 Tim. 14-15
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith

Ezekiel 3:21. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Revel 12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
which is in Christ Jesus.

Yep. . . . . . .

 

[just-me]

So you were saying we are to keep the law for the sake of law keepers' salvation,
to gain souls for Christ.

Then why do you ask How did you get that out of what I posted?

And why did you say I'm not saying anything. . .

You're confused. . .

I'm not adding or saying anything in addition to the scriptures presented here.
Really? Are you getting all this out of what Paul said instead of me? For the 3rd time, Paul said "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:19-20

I'm not endorsing anything on my own. I'm presenting to you Paul's' example of himself in respect to thinking others are "under the law." I didn't have any part in writing this scripture. What part don't you understand? All I am doing is asking why we are unable to follow Paul in this matter? If we accuse others as being under the law, shouldn't we follow Paul's example? Got an ideas?

 

[JesusIsAll]

I'm not adding or saying anything in addition to the scriptures presented here.
Really? Are you getting all this out of what Paul said instead of me? For the 3rd time, Paul said "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:19-20

I'm not endorsing anything on my own. I'm presenting to you Paul's' example of himself in respect to thinking others are "under the law." I didn't have any part in writing this scripture. What part don't you understand? All I am doing is asking why we are unable to follow Paul in this matter? If we accuse others as being under the law, shouldn't we follow Paul's example? Got an ideas?

Ideas? Sure. Paul's example, of what is going on here? Please point out the ChristianChat Jewish user who is under Judaism that needs Christian preaching. Please point out where Paul ever said, "to them that are perverters of truth, I become as a perverter of truth; to they of a cult, I become as a cult; to they which are liars, I become a liar." In my Bible, it's called legalistic bondage and a snare, in the Christian community, doctrines of devils, false prophets. Just once try using an example that fits, though I can see your dilemma, that you won't find an example in the Bible that approves of the likes of Ellen White. Of course, you could prove me wrong, by announcing you're under the law and need to learn Christianity. Or you think you're a Christian, and under the law?

Just who are you? Please provide a sample link maybe to your congregational statement of faith. I'll stand with the Baptists, though non-denominational. You can look up a zillion such churches. So, who are you? Why are you so exercised of people not displaying approval of a pretend gospel, that's under legal bondage?

 

[Elin]

Who outside Christ, other than Jews, think they are under the law?

So you were saying we are to keep the law for the sake of law keepers' salvation,
to gain souls for Christ.

Then why do you ask How did you get that out of what I posted?

And why did you say I'm not saying anything. . .

Can't you comprehend the words of Paul in this respect? I'll refine the scripture for you, and focus just on one part.

We are talking about gaining souls for Christ using the concepts of the law in order to relate to those who we think are under it. That's fulfilling the law of love. . .

<in little ole lady's voice of Buick commercial> that's what I said!

You're confused. . .

I'm not adding or saying anything in addition to the scriptures presented here.
Really? Are you getting all this out of what Paul said instead of me? For the 3rd time, Paul said "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:19-20

I'm not endorsing anything on my own. I'm presenting to you Paul's' example of himself in respect to thinking others are "under the law." I didn't have any part in writing this scripture. What part don't you understand? All I am doing is asking why we are unable to follow Paul in this matter?
If we accuse others as being under the law,
shouldn't we follow Paul's example?

You are some kinda' confused. . .

Who are these "souls to be gained for Christ" who are being "accused of being under the law?"

Do you even understand what you yourself are saying?

 

[just-me]

I'm not adding or saying anything in addition to the scriptures presented here.
Really? Are you getting all this out of what Paul said instead of me? For the 3rd time, Paul said "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:19-20

I'm not endorsing anything on my own. I'm presenting to you Paul's' example of himself in respect to thinking others are "under the law." I didn't have any part in writing this scripture. What part don't you understand? All I am doing is asking why we are unable to follow Paul in this matter? If we accuse others as being under the law, shouldn't we follow Paul's example? Got an ideas?

You are confused. . .

Who are these "souls to be gained for Christ" who are being "accused of being under the law?"

Do you even understand what you yourself are saying?

You are one of the main contributers to CC in this forum. Where have you been? Maybe you're one of those Judaizers and legalizers. LOL

All it takes is to say all of the laws given to Moses are currently edifying to Christians.

 

[BS]

2 Peter 2
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8. (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds
9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
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[Elin]

You are some kinda' confused. . .

Who are these "souls to be gained for Christ" who are being "accused of being under the law?"

Do you even understand what you yourself are saying?

You are one of the main contributers to CC in this forum. Where have you been?
Maybe you're one of those Judaizers and legalizers. LOL

Non-responsive. . .

Yep. . .you're some kinda' confused. . .and don't even understand what you yourself are saying.

That explains a lot. . .

 

[Elin]

2 Peter 2
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8. (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds
9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Yep. . . . . . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

Non-responsive. . .

Yep. . .you're some kinda' confused. . .and don't even understand what you yourself are saying.

You will find what's really being said is shutup in matters of those subtly pushing legalistic cult beliefs.

 

[just-me]

Who outside Christ, other than Jews, think they are under the law?


So you were saying we are to keep the law for the sake of law keepers' salvation,
to gain souls for Christ.

Then why do you ask How did you get that out of what I posted?

And why did you say I'm not saying anything. . .



<in little ole lady's voice of Buick commercial> that's what I said!

You're confused. . .

You are some kinda' confused. . .

Who are these "souls to be gained for Christ" who are being "accused of being under the law?"

Do you even understand what you yourself are saying?

Last time. read the scripture presented and apply it.

I'm not adding or saying anything in addition to the scriptures presented here.
Really? Are you getting all this out of what Paul said instead of me? For the 3rd time, Paul said "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:19-20

I'm not endorsing anything on my own. I'm presenting to you Paul's' example of himself in respect to thinking others are "under the law." I didn't have any part in writing this scripture. What part don't you understand? All I am doing is asking why we are unable to follow Paul in this matter? If we accuse others as being under the law, shouldn't we follow Paul's example? Got an ideas?

Non-responsive. . .

Yep. . .you're some kinda' confused. . .and don't even understand what you yourself are saying.

That explains a lot. . .

I grew up with a saying "that's like the pot calling the kettle black." LOL Stop looking at me and look at Paul.

 

[newlife7]

Some people will say that the same GOD that spoke in the new testament also spoke in the old testament and he never changes.
I wish they would understand the difference.

that's true He never changes, but what many fail to understand is that the Old and New covenants are two different covenants. Notice that Abraham Issac and Jacob were never under the law. So to say that they didn't live by every word of God because they never were under the law is error. Also I do not think I was disobeying Paul's writings of making my self as one under the law to gain them. This is because I was merely responding to posts that were accusing me of being a heretic and a demon. Paul made himself as under the law and He also made sure he preached the Gospel as well and this can be seen by his visit to Jerusalem. I do not think that Paul would have made himself as so much under the law where he would just sit aside and never visit Jerusalem to preach the Gospel and not try to help in the error of their ways.

 

[Elin]

You will find what's really being said is shutup
in matters of those subtly pushing legalistic cult beliefs.

Yeah. . .but it's thinly veiled. . .and easy to see for what it is, in spite of the spin.

They're meetin' themselves comin' back.

Where's Elduh Floyd when you need 'im?

 

[BS]

You will find what's really being said is shutup in matters of those subtly pushing legalistic cult beliefs.

2 Peter 1: 2-9

[FONT=&quot]2.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]3. According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]4. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] 5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] 6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.[/FONT]

....

 

[JesusIsAll]

2 Peter 1: 2-9

2. Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3. According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

....

Titus 1:12-14 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

 

[Elin]

You are some kinda' confused. . .

Who are these "souls to be gained for Christ" who are being "accused of being under the law?"

Do you even understand what you yourself are saying?

Last time. read the scripture presented and apply it.

Non-responsive. . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

Yeah. . .but it's thinly veiled. . .and easy to see for what it is, in spite of the spin.

They're meetin' themselves comin' back.

Where's Elduh Floyd when you need 'im?

Elduh Floyd be visitin likes 'o them 'round here, ah suspekt, mercy lookin liken ta whut da cat drag in!

 

[Elin]

2 Peter 1: 2-9

2. Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3. According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6. And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7. And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

....

Yep. . . . . . .