Which statement is true?

[eternally-gratefull]

You've gotta be kidding..... what kind of idiot would believe such a statement? Or put their "likes" on it?

Read very carefully......
1 Corinthians 3:17 (NASB) If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

1 Corinthians 3:17 (NRSV) If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

1 Corinthians 3:17 (NLT) God will destroy anyone who destroys this temple. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

H O W did you get such a ridiculous interpretation outta that? That was one desperate move..... which makes it look like you will say anything as long as it get folks to believe in OSAS.

H O W will you justify such poor teaching to God..... or do you even care?

And to the "likers"..... I thought you were educated enough to know better. I was wrong.

Really..... you guys believe the readers are that gullible? That's insulting.

No lets be like you, And twist words to make yourself look so smart and more like a christian.

The temple is NOT THE FLESH. the FLESH is the thing which motivates us to sin. So how can you telling us if we destroy the temple God will destroy us in reference to me saying God must destroy the flesh?? REALLY????

So your saying God does not need to destroy our flesh?

Whats insulting is someone like you who thinks he knows something, then makes a total fool of himself because he does not even know what he is responding to. Thus he responds with something that does not even paertain to what I said, then calls us stupid (that my friend is the definition of a hypocrite) and is very insulting to the church.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If you repent of that decision, (decide against God, instead of FOR Him) it means that you are saying you no longer believe in Jesus, and that you are, in effect, back in the howling mob, crucifying Him all over again..... because you now think (as they did) that He is just a blasphemer, claiming to be God.

I'm still gathering info about scriptures like Hebrews 6:4-6
What would make a person repent and decide not to believe anymore?
The bible says that everyone that has this hope purifies themselves.

 

[Stephen63]

And you know this because? I keep forgetting that a few of you set the standard for understanding and knowledge......

No lets be like you, And twist words to make yourself look so smart and more like a christian.

The temple is NOT THE FLESH. the FLESH is the thing which motivates us to sin. So how can you telling us if we destroy the temple God will destroy us in reference to me saying God must destroy the flesh?? REALLY????

So your saying God does not need to destroy our flesh?

Whats insulting is someone like you who thinks he knows something, then makes a total fool of himself because he does not even know what he is responding to. Thus he responds with something that does not even paertain to what I said, then calls us stupid (that my friend is the definition of a hypocrite) and is very insulting to the church.

Oh, I'm sorry, was that my cue to argue with you both? Not gonna happen. Anybody that's been reading how you guys treat people that don't agree with you knows the truth.

 

[dcontroversal]

Oh, I'm sorry, was that my cue to argue with you both? Not gonna happen. Anybody that's been reading how you guys treat people that don't agree with you knows the truth.

Kind of like you treat people...such as your opening statement about idiots and likes....? Get the pole out of your own eye pal before you judge and mouth about the splinter in our eyes!

 

[Dude653]

Troll post

 

[RickyZ]

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My apologies, my apologies, I know it's bad form to start a thread then bail on it. Life happens, whatya gonna do?

And honestly I didn't mean this to be another OSAS thread, so we'll table that debate.

This was about how you interpret and discern scriptures.

Let's go back to an example WillieT mentioned, Mark 9:43 - 43If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Now, as a functionalist, I tend to take everything God says at face value unless He gives me a compelling reason not to. So when I read this verse I take it to mean that in God's eye, He really would prefer I take my hand off than to surf porn and play whack-a-mole with it. Why haven't I taken my hand off? Because I'm a fearful and weak human being, that's why. And because Jesus made a way for fearful and weak human beings to approach God without hacking one's hands off. Praise be and hallelujah. But the fact that God made a way out of it for me/us, I don't think changes the way He feels about it. I just can't think of a verse where God says, what I said back there, I really didn't mean it. Or to where He speaks to one group that He doesn't really include all of us. Sure He wrote to the Hebrews. But you know what? I suffer from the same fallen world maladies as the Hebrews. So I figure I should listen up.


Sure God uses a lot of writing styles in the Bible. There's parables, prophecies, similitudes etc etc etc. But again, I can't think of one clear example where He says what I just said, not that. I'm sorry it's just not in there and if you see it in there you need a new pair of glasses.

I think Gr8Grace pointed out the need for discernment and that's very true. But then it goes back to how we discern. Are we discerning on a limited dimensional human level or can we discern on an omnidimensional spiritual level? When you start saying not this, or this scripture mitigates that one, I see huge red flags and question marks. You have to wrap your head around how it all can be face-value true with no dismissals.

God uses a whole lot of wrinting styles for sure. I just don't see hyperbole on the list.

And eternally grateful, other than satan's vow to do everything he can to turn us from God, no I don't know why anyone would walk away from their salvation. It's suicidal insanity if you ask me.

Yet they do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My apologies, my apologies, I know it's bad form to start a thread then bail on it. Life happens, whatya gonna do?

And honestly I didn't mean this to be another OSAS thread, so we'll table that debate.

This was about how you interpret and discern scriptures.

Let's go back to an example WillieT mentioned, Mark 9:43 - 43If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Now, as a functionalist, I tend to take everything God says at face value unless He gives me a compelling reason not to. So when I read this verse I take it to mean that in God's eye, He really would prefer I take my hand off than to surf porn and play whack-a-mole with it. Why haven't I taken my hand off? Because I'm a fearful and weak human being, that's why. And because Jesus made a way for fearful and weak human beings to approach God without hacking one's hands off. Praise be and hallelujah. But the fact that God made a way out of it for me/us, I don't think changes the way He feels about it. I just can't think of a verse where God says, what I said back there, I really didn't mean it. Or to where He speaks to one group that He doesn't really include all of us. Sure He wrote to the Hebrews. But you know what? I suffer from the same fallen world maladies as the Hebrews. So I figure I should listen up.


Sure God uses a lot of writing styles in the Bible. There's parables, prophecies, similitudes etc etc etc. But again, I can't think of one clear example where He says what I just said, not that. I'm sorry it's just not in there and if you see it in there you need a new pair of glasses.

I think Gr8Grace pointed out the need for discernment and that's very true. But then it goes back to how we discern. Are we discerning on a limited dimensional human level or can we discern on an omnidimensional spiritual level? When you start saying not this, or this scripture mitigates that one, I see huge red flags and question marks. You have to wrap your head around how it all can be face-value true with no dismissals.

God uses a whole lot of wrinting styles for sure. I just don't see hyperbole on the list.

And eternally grateful, other than satan's vow to do everything he can to turn us from God, no I don't know why anyone would walk away from their salvation. It's suicidal insanity if you ask me.

Yet they do.

They do? You have personally seen someone you KNOW was born of God, sealed with the spirit of promise, who was given freely the gift of eternal life. walk away from God and no longer believe he is the god of salvation (I will admit, I have seen prodigal children leave, I was one myself. but I never stopped believing in God and his wonderful salvation, which caused great pain and sorrow in my heart and caused me to return) which will now reject he is the Christ, the son of the living God? which will deny the blood of the croos which paid for him?

Sorry, I do not believe it. why?

1. You would have to be God to KNOW he was saved, and not a person who just walked in the church for awhile
2. The bible said they were never part of us, they left to prove they were never apart of us (speaking of people who were once claiming faith, and now deny faith and Christ)
3. It would make god a liar. (eternal life is not eternal, the guarantee of the HS is not a guarantee, the gift of God is not a gift, but a down payment)

I would be very careful saying Gods promise, his work, and his gifts rely on what we do. We do not deserve anything, and will not deserve anything every moment that we are given grace to walk this earth.

 

[RickyZ]

It's not based on what we do. It's based solely on what we believe. Once you understand that things will be clearer for you.

And I would advise in return that you think carefully before you dismiss Gods word as hyperbole.

 

[notuptome]

It's not based on what we do. It's based solely on what we believe. Once you understand that things will be clearer for you.

And I would advise in return that you think carefully before you dismiss Gods word as hyperbole.

Actually it's based entirely on grace.

It is not a dismissal of Gods word to understand how hyperbole is used to teach especially from a Jewish perspective.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Preacher's Outline & Sermon Bible- Commentary
1. (6:4-5) Warning— Believers: the believer's great privileges. It is difficult to see how these five experiences could be said about a person unless he was a true believer. Being as honest and objective as possible, we would have to strain the meaning to make them apply to anyone else. The Greek Scripture definitely uses the aorist tense which means that the person had a once-for-all experience, an experience that was once-for-all completed, fulfilled, and finished. How could this apply to anyone else other than a believer? Note how each of these read in the aorist tense: the person...
• was once-for-all enlightened
• had once-for-all tasted of the heavenly gift
• was once-for-all made a partaker of the Holy Spirit
• had once-for-all tasted of the good Word of God
• had once-for-all tasted of the power of the world to come.
The word "tasted" (geusamenous[SUP]PWS: 3896[/SUP]) means to partake of, to take in, to experience, to come to know. The Greek scholar Marvin Vincent says that it means to "have consciously partaken of" (Word Studies In The New Testament, Vol. 4, p.445). The very same word is used of Christ when it said that He "tasted death" for us (Hebrews 2:9). And one thing is sure: Christ tasted, that is, consciously experienced, death for us. Therefore, this passage must mean that this person fully tasted and fully experienced salvation. As stated, it seems that we have to twist Scripture to make it say any less than a conscious and full experience. Note the glorious experiences and privileges these persons received in Christ.
1. They were once-for-all enlightened. Enlightened means the light of the gospel and of salvation; the light of Christ, that is, seeing Christ as the Savior and Lord of men; the light of salvation that breaks through the darkness of sin and death. Note: receiving the light happened once-for-all. It was an actual experience of the people, a once-for-all experience. That is, it really happened and it was fulfilled and completed in the people's lives. They received the light of Christ, of His gospel and salvation once-for-all.
2. They had tasted of the heavenly gift. The "heavenly gift" refers to Christ and His salvation which God gave to the world. Scripture proclaims time and again that Jesus Christ and His salvation are God's gifts.
⇒ Christ is God's "unspeakable gift" (2 Cor. 9:15).
⇒ Christ is God's gift to a lost world (John 3:16).
⇒ Salvation is "the gift of God" (Ephes. 2:8-9).
⇒ Christ is the One who came down out of heaven as the gift of God to a lost world (John 3:13; John 3:16; John 3:31-32; John 6:32-33, and a host of other verses. See notes—[SUP]•[/SUP] John 3:32-34; Deeper Study #3—John 3:34 for more references and discussion.)
Note that this is again a once-for-all experience. They had experienced Christ and His salvation once-for-all.
3. They were once-for-all made a partaker of the Holy Spirit. The word "partaker" (metochous) means to share as partners. W.E. Vine says that it means "the fact of sharing" (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. Old Tappan, NJ: Fleming H. Revell, 1966, p.162). The Greek scholar A.T Robertson says, "These are all given as actual spiritual experiences" (Word Pictures In The New Testament, Vol. 5, p.375). These people were sharers in the Holy Spirit. It is very difficult to see how they can be made to be a false profession without straining the Scripture.
4. They had once-for-all tasted God's good Word. This is the gospel of Christ, of His glorious salvation. The Greek scholar Marvin Vincent says that this means that they received...
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]• life (Acts 5:20)
• the Holy Spirit (John 3:34; Acts 5:32; Acts 10:44; Ephes. 6:17; Hebrews 2:4)[/TD]
[TD="width: 165"]• cleansing (Ephes. 5:26).
• spirit and life (John 6:63)
• salvation (Acts 11:14)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(Word Studies In The New Testament, Vol. 4, p.445.)
5. They had once-for-all tasted the powers of the world to come. They had experienced some of heaven upon earth. They had actually experienced the presence and power of Christ in their lives...
• the power of Christ in conquering the trials and temptations and sufferings of this world.
• the healing power of Christ in touching both their bodies and spirits.

"And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us" (1 John 3:24).
"Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit" (1 John 4:13).
Preacher's Outline and Sermon Bible - Commentary - The Preacher's Outline & Sermon Bible – Hebrew, James.

It's plain as the nose on your face where the confusion is. It seems the only thing you can agree on is that it's not literal, which it is.

I have not argued that they are not saved only that they cannot fall away. Verse 6 does not say that they will or have fallen away it says if. If apparently causes you to stumble as you assume that they have or will fall away. You can no more un-ring a bell than you can give up, forfeit, or lose your salvation.

That should be plainly engraved upon your heart by the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Stephen63]

I have not argued that they are not saved only that they cannot fall away. Verse 6 does not say that they will or have fallen away it says if. If apparently causes you to stumble as you assume that they have or will fall away. You can no more un-ring a bell than you can give up, forfeit, or lose your salvation.

That should be plainly engraved upon your heart by the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I'm glad you used the proper meaning for falling away, 'cuz there's one going on right now.....
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In fact, the majority of fighting on this forum is due to this falling away. One only has to be on this site for a year or so to see some members getting worse on here, some to the point of getting banned. And no, not all of them "weren't saved to begin with".

Understand this dear readers, those who oppose God aren't simply the athiests or such like..... the majority will do it in God's name claiming to be fighting for God's cause, when in fact they are fighting for their religious stance in their heretical doctrine. The Antichrist himself will claim to be the world's messiah. Don't let the "majority" fool you..... "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:14

There's a famine in the world for the true word of God. Many preachers are leaving the teachings on the blood of Christ, calling the beliefs of the conservatives a "bloody religion".
Matthew 26:26-28 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; [SUP]28[/SUP]For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Romans 3:23-26 (KJV) [SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; [SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.