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Why not use the definitions God's inspired word gave us for candlesticks and olive trees to figure it out.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
What does Scripture tell us candlesticks are?
Rev 1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
So if seven candlesticks are seven churches wouldn’t two candlesticks be two churches?
What does Scripture tells us olive trees are? (Words in blue parenthesis added for clarity)
Romans 11:17 And if some of the (Jewish) branches be broken off, and thou (the Gentile church), being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.
Romans 11:24 For if thou (the Gentiles) wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree (the Jews): how much more shall these (the Jews), which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
So the olive trees represent the Jews and Christians.
2 olive trees + 2 candlesticks = The Jewish and Christian churches.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
What does Scripture tell us candlesticks are?
Rev 1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
So if seven candlesticks are seven churches wouldn’t two candlesticks be two churches?
What does Scripture tells us olive trees are? (Words in blue parenthesis added for clarity)
Romans 11:17 And if some of the (Jewish) branches be broken off, and thou (the Gentile church), being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.
Romans 11:24 For if thou (the Gentiles) wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree (the Jews): how much more shall these (the Jews), which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
So the olive trees represent the Jews and Christians.
2 olive trees + 2 candlesticks = The Jewish and Christian churches.
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There is no way to know absolutely who the 2 witnesses will be. They will be 2 individuals as Rev. 11 makes clear. Now scripture says it appointed unto to men to die once, so there are many who believe that Enoch and Elijah will be the witnesses since they have not tasted death. But that's just speculation as anyone. Shalom
I like this and would like to add to it if you don't mind.
Notice here that you have the two candles as two churches, namely the Jews and the Gentile.
I would take it a bit further.
Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zec 4:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
Zec 4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
Notice here that the two olive trees are the word of God by the Spirit.
Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
So they are Gods two anointed ones before the whole earth. these two anointed ones witness of the Lord.
So putting this together with your explanation. we have two churches that bare witness of God. the Jewish church and the Christian church .
What bares record of these two churches?
The Old testament is about God through the Jewish faith, and the New Testament is about the Christian Faith. which really are two views of the one faith.
Thus I believe that the two witnesses are the Old and New Testament.
by the way during the dark ages the word of God was hidden for 1260 years and at the end in 1798 the bible was publicly burned in the streets of France and they worshipped the God of reason. this took place for 3 and a half years. interesting that those historical dates match perfectly to the two time periods given in rev 11.
Blessings.
Notice here that you have the two candles as two churches, namely the Jews and the Gentile.
I would take it a bit further.
Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zec 4:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
Zec 4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
Notice here that the two olive trees are the word of God by the Spirit.
Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
So they are Gods two anointed ones before the whole earth. these two anointed ones witness of the Lord.
So putting this together with your explanation. we have two churches that bare witness of God. the Jewish church and the Christian church .
What bares record of these two churches?
The Old testament is about God through the Jewish faith, and the New Testament is about the Christian Faith. which really are two views of the one faith.
Thus I believe that the two witnesses are the Old and New Testament.
by the way during the dark ages the word of God was hidden for 1260 years and at the end in 1798 the bible was publicly burned in the streets of France and they worshipped the God of reason. this took place for 3 and a half years. interesting that those historical dates match perfectly to the two time periods given in rev 11.
Blessings.
The Two Witnesses of Rev. is, The Law and The Prophets,
Which was the embodiment of Jesus Christ.
The True and Faithful Witness, Rev. 3:14
The Word of God is The Law and The Prophets, and are before
His Throne, and are Witnesses in the earth and in the heavens
continuously.
Also The Tabernacle of Moses was called "The Tabernacle of Witness,"
And we know that Christ is the Complete fullfillment of That Tabernacle
and everything in it, That's why it was so important that it be made
precisely according to the Pattern.
Can it be the Church? Yes, Can it be two, No, there is only one Church
But can it be in two different places, Yes, in Heaven and in Earth, In Christ.
There is a reason why Elijah and moses appeared on the mount of
Transfiguration with Him.
42mth......31/2 yrs. of Christ's ministry
1,260 days......31/2 yrs. Christ's ministry
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And they are now in His people, hence the word "bodies" we have been
crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, yet not us but Christ and our bodies are not buried, except in Him.
Blessings
Which was the embodiment of Jesus Christ.
The True and Faithful Witness, Rev. 3:14
The Word of God is The Law and The Prophets, and are before
His Throne, and are Witnesses in the earth and in the heavens
continuously.
Also The Tabernacle of Moses was called "The Tabernacle of Witness,"
And we know that Christ is the Complete fullfillment of That Tabernacle
and everything in it, That's why it was so important that it be made
precisely according to the Pattern.
Can it be the Church? Yes, Can it be two, No, there is only one Church
But can it be in two different places, Yes, in Heaven and in Earth, In Christ.
There is a reason why Elijah and moses appeared on the mount of
Transfiguration with Him.
42mth......31/2 yrs. of Christ's ministry
1,260 days......31/2 yrs. Christ's ministry
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And they are now in His people, hence the word "bodies" we have been
crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, yet not us but Christ and our bodies are not buried, except in Him.
Blessings
The Church is the witness to the world,both Jew and Gentile,to reach out to them of Christ.
The two witnesses are only sent to the house of Israel,to turn their hearts to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,for Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and the Jews are blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,so God will one day bring them to the truth which will be by way of the two witnesses.
And if the world hinders them from trying to preach the Gospel to the Jews,they have power to go against them,in which the world rejoices when they are killed by the beast.
And when they are dead three and one half days,the Spirit of God resurrects them,and they stand on their feet,and they ascended up to heaven,which great fear came upon those that saw them,and there was a great earthquake,and a tenth of the city fell,and the remnant were frightened and gave glory to God,and that is when the Jews realized Jesus is their Messiah as a nation,although there would still be a few Jews that would reject,but it qualified the Jews as a nation in the truth.
The two witnesses seem liken they would be Jews,since they are only sent to Israel.
It seems like they could be Enoch and Elijah,for neither had died a physical death,but they never went to heaven where Jesus ascended to,for Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven but the Son of man,which is in heaven.
The Bible says it is appointed unto man once to die,then the judgment,and since both never died physically,maybe they are to be used in the future to come on earth,preach the Gospel to the Jews,and die physically.
11Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth(Zechariah 4:11-14).
4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth(Revelation 11:11).
It seems like the 2 witnesses cannot be on earth alive at this time,for they stand before God of the earth,and they could not be any saint,but someone that was great with God while they were on earth.
Which would be someone like Enoch,Elijah,or Moses,and Jesus did transfigure Himself on the mountain,and spoke to both Elijah and Moses.
So it seems like it is either Elijah and Enoch,or Elijah and Moses,but it would seem like Elijah would be one of them.
The two witnesses are only sent to the house of Israel,to turn their hearts to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,for Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and the Jews are blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,so God will one day bring them to the truth which will be by way of the two witnesses.
And if the world hinders them from trying to preach the Gospel to the Jews,they have power to go against them,in which the world rejoices when they are killed by the beast.
And when they are dead three and one half days,the Spirit of God resurrects them,and they stand on their feet,and they ascended up to heaven,which great fear came upon those that saw them,and there was a great earthquake,and a tenth of the city fell,and the remnant were frightened and gave glory to God,and that is when the Jews realized Jesus is their Messiah as a nation,although there would still be a few Jews that would reject,but it qualified the Jews as a nation in the truth.
The two witnesses seem liken they would be Jews,since they are only sent to Israel.
It seems like they could be Enoch and Elijah,for neither had died a physical death,but they never went to heaven where Jesus ascended to,for Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven but the Son of man,which is in heaven.
The Bible says it is appointed unto man once to die,then the judgment,and since both never died physically,maybe they are to be used in the future to come on earth,preach the Gospel to the Jews,and die physically.
11Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth(Zechariah 4:11-14).
4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth(Revelation 11:11).
It seems like the 2 witnesses cannot be on earth alive at this time,for they stand before God of the earth,and they could not be any saint,but someone that was great with God while they were on earth.
Which would be someone like Enoch,Elijah,or Moses,and Jesus did transfigure Himself on the mountain,and spoke to both Elijah and Moses.
So it seems like it is either Elijah and Enoch,or Elijah and Moses,but it would seem like Elijah would be one of them.
Scripture shows just what the two witnesses are as mentioned above in the post by midwest. Rev 11:4
In my opinion, to believe anything else would fall under the precepts of men and not what the Inspired Word of God tells us the two witnesses are.
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
In my opinion, to believe anything else would fall under the precepts of men and not what the Inspired Word of God tells us the two witnesses are.
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
The 2 witness are the house of Israel and the House of Judah
The Bible said The 2 witnesses are dressed in sackcloth. Where else are we told of people dessed in sackcloth (sorrow).
JEREMIAH 6:26 O daughter of my people, dress in sackcloth and roll about in ashes! Make mourning as for an only son, most bitter lamentation; for the plunderer will suddenly come upon us. (
LAMENTATIONS 2:10 The elders of the daughter of Zion sit on the ground and keep silence; they throw dust on their heads and gird themselves with sackcloth. The virgins of Jerusalem bow their heads to the ground.
DEUTERONOMY 19:15 " by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.
We know that there needs to be 2 witnesses so who are the daughters of his people.
The older girl was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. I married them, and they bore me sons and daughters. I am speaking of Samaria and Jerusalem, for Oholah is Samaria ( House of Israel) and Oholibah is Jerusalem (House of Judah )Ezekiel 23:4.
ISAIAH 43:1 But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob ( House of Judah), and He who formed you, O Israel ( House of Israel): "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine. . . ." 10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from Me there is no savior. 12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed — I, and not some foreign god among you. You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "that I am God."
REVELATION 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstandsstanding before the God of the earth. ZECHARIAH 4:1-14 and Revelation let us know that this is end time prophecy but not much information on who they are. Then go to JEREMIAH 11:16 The LORD called your name, Green Olive Tree, lovely and of good fruit. With the noise of a great tumult He has kindled fire on it, and its branches are broken. 17 For the LORD of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced doom against you for the evil of the House of Israel and of the House of Judah.
HOSEA 14:5 I will be like the dew to Israel ( House of Israel); he shall grow like the lily, and lengthen his roots like Lebanon. 6 His branches shall spread; his beauty shall be like an olive tree, and his fragrance like Lebanon. It is in Hosea that we find this olive tree is Scattered in the Gentile nations and forgot who they are.
Now through scripture we have been able to tell who the olive trees are.
Now look at ROMANS 11:16-26. Paul speaking to Gentiles ( lost sheep of the House of Israel) Not to think better of themselves then the Jews (House of Judah who never lost their identity in God. Then Romans 11:2626 And so all Israel ( the whole House of Israel)will be saved, as it is written. When you see house of Israel that is the 10 tribes when you see whole house of Israel , that is both the House of Israel and the House of Judah. JOHN 10:16 "And other sheep ( House of Israel) I have which are not of this fold ( House of Judah); them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Now how are the 2 witnesses ( 2 Houses ) divided up
The House of Judah
The tribe of Judah 12,000, The tribe of Benjamin 12,000 and The tribe of Levi 12,000
The House of Israel
The tribe of Joseph 12,000 The tribe of Manasseh 12,000 The tribe of Reuben 12,000
The tribe of Gad 12,000 The tribe of Asher 12, 000 The tribe of Naphtali 12,000
The tribe of Simeon 12,000 and The tribe of Issachar 12,000
A picture of this is Luke 10:1-20
The Seventy Sent Out
1 After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also,[a] and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go. 2 Then He said to them, “The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘The very dust of your city which clings to us[b] we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.’ 12 But[c] I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city. 13 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades.[d] 16 He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”Then the seventy[e] returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven
I learned this from Bryan T. Huie may he be blessed
The Bible said The 2 witnesses are dressed in sackcloth. Where else are we told of people dessed in sackcloth (sorrow).
JEREMIAH 6:26 O daughter of my people, dress in sackcloth and roll about in ashes! Make mourning as for an only son, most bitter lamentation; for the plunderer will suddenly come upon us. (
LAMENTATIONS 2:10 The elders of the daughter of Zion sit on the ground and keep silence; they throw dust on their heads and gird themselves with sackcloth. The virgins of Jerusalem bow their heads to the ground.
DEUTERONOMY 19:15 " by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.
We know that there needs to be 2 witnesses so who are the daughters of his people.
The older girl was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. I married them, and they bore me sons and daughters. I am speaking of Samaria and Jerusalem, for Oholah is Samaria ( House of Israel) and Oholibah is Jerusalem (House of Judah )Ezekiel 23:4.
ISAIAH 43:1 But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob ( House of Judah), and He who formed you, O Israel ( House of Israel): "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine. . . ." 10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from Me there is no savior. 12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed — I, and not some foreign god among you. You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "that I am God."
REVELATION 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstandsstanding before the God of the earth. ZECHARIAH 4:1-14 and Revelation let us know that this is end time prophecy but not much information on who they are. Then go to JEREMIAH 11:16 The LORD called your name, Green Olive Tree, lovely and of good fruit. With the noise of a great tumult He has kindled fire on it, and its branches are broken. 17 For the LORD of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced doom against you for the evil of the House of Israel and of the House of Judah.
HOSEA 14:5 I will be like the dew to Israel ( House of Israel); he shall grow like the lily, and lengthen his roots like Lebanon. 6 His branches shall spread; his beauty shall be like an olive tree, and his fragrance like Lebanon. It is in Hosea that we find this olive tree is Scattered in the Gentile nations and forgot who they are.
Now through scripture we have been able to tell who the olive trees are.
Now look at ROMANS 11:16-26. Paul speaking to Gentiles ( lost sheep of the House of Israel) Not to think better of themselves then the Jews (House of Judah who never lost their identity in God. Then Romans 11:2626 And so all Israel ( the whole House of Israel)will be saved, as it is written. When you see house of Israel that is the 10 tribes when you see whole house of Israel , that is both the House of Israel and the House of Judah. JOHN 10:16 "And other sheep ( House of Israel) I have which are not of this fold ( House of Judah); them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Now how are the 2 witnesses ( 2 Houses ) divided up
The House of Judah
The tribe of Judah 12,000, The tribe of Benjamin 12,000 and The tribe of Levi 12,000
The House of Israel
The tribe of Joseph 12,000 The tribe of Manasseh 12,000 The tribe of Reuben 12,000
The tribe of Gad 12,000 The tribe of Asher 12, 000 The tribe of Naphtali 12,000
The tribe of Simeon 12,000 and The tribe of Issachar 12,000
A picture of this is Luke 10:1-20
The Seventy Sent Out
1 After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also,[a] and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go. 2 Then He said to them, “The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘The very dust of your city which clings to us[b] we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.’ 12 But[c] I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city. 13 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades.[d] 16 He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”Then the seventy[e] returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven
I learned this from Bryan T. Huie may he be blessed
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The seven churches are one church, for we are all one in Christ.
Galatians3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
But in spirit we Christians are Gods Jews, even tho most of us where Gentiles
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
So the two end time witnesses are Christian but could be a Jew by birth or from any other country for that matter.
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That’s not right the two witnesses are a witness to everyone worldwide from the holy city.
We Christians are the house of Israel, and if the two witnesses are sent to anyone it will be us Christians, but it’s not uncommon for God to send prophet’s to cry agents cities in the Bible.
Rv11;3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
We Christians are the house of Israel, and if the two witnesses are sent to anyone it will be us Christians, but it’s not uncommon for God to send prophet’s to cry agents cities in the Bible.
Rv11;3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
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As far as I can see, not all die.
1 Thessalonians 4;17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
But if we die while we are being resurrected in the transformation or translated the yes, but then so did ELIJAH and Enoch. But that’s not the case.
Hebrews 11; 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
2 Kings 2:1And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up ELIJAH into heaven by a whirlwind, that ELIJAH went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2 Kings 2:11And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and ELIJAH went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
1 Thessalonians 4;17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
But if we die while we are being resurrected in the transformation or translated the yes, but then so did ELIJAH and Enoch. But that’s not the case.
Hebrews 11; 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
2 Kings 2:1And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up ELIJAH into heaven by a whirlwind, that ELIJAH went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2 Kings 2:11And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and ELIJAH went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Nath, there are alot of different opinions on here, so it is basically a guessing game for the most part. But we know by Revelation 11 that they are two individuals that are killed after they do what YHVH has them do, and that they are raised up after 3 1/2 days. One thing is scripture gives no absolute on who they are. I would have to say it can't be the church, or two houses of Israel, or you would have thousands of bodies left laying in the street for 3 1/2 days. It doesn't give any indication of this kind of mass death, especially since Rev. refers to the majority of the saints being beheaded. But over all it's anyone's best guess. Shalom
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That’s what I was thinking Shalom.
I know that it says appointed unto to men to die once.
But that was not always the case; in some cases they left the earth alive.
Why not in the resurrection too for them that “are alive and remain”.
Just because ELIJAH and Enoch did not die it does not automatically make the two end time witnesses.
Love from peter
I know that it says appointed unto to men to die once.
But that was not always the case; in some cases they left the earth alive.
Why not in the resurrection too for them that “are alive and remain”.
Just because ELIJAH and Enoch did not die it does not automatically make the two end time witnesses.
Love from peter