who are the two witnesses in revalation

Laodicea · Jan 2, 2012

Because it is symbolic then the 1260 days are also symbolic. They are symbolic for 1260 years which were from 538-1798. During that time the truth was cast to the ground as it says in Daniel 7:25. People were not allowed to own a copy of the Bible on pain of death

"During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Bibles along with their owners."
-The Baptist Pillar
CANADA'S ONLY TRUE BAPTIST PAPER
Published by Bible Baptist Church

"Only ten percent of people
in the Roman Empire could read...
and those were generally in the wealthy
upper classes."
-River of God,
Gregory J. Riley, pp. 66

The Church admits this in her own Laws :
"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195

2knowhim · Jan 2, 2012

If Christ is not the Center focus, Look deeper.

We are talking about The Revelation of Jesus Christ

Even in The Two Witnesses.

Avinu · Jan 2, 2012

The 1260 days are also the 42 months/ 3 1/2 yrs. of tribulation which is not symbolic.

midwestbob · Jan 2, 2012

Laodicea said:

I won't disagree with 1260 being years not days, but 538 -1798 does not fulfill the prophecy. This is a literal event described in symbolic or figurateve languge. How were all the events described in the prophecy fulfilled between 538 and 1798?

How can you say "the truth was cast to the ground" between 538 and 1798? It was during those years that Tyndale translated the New Testament. And let’s not forget the Geneva Bible or the KJV. Couple the fact that the Word was now being translated into a language many understood and was being produced on printing presses the Word was being spread through out Europe. Regardless of the law the Word spread through Europe at a rapid rate, the Word was far from cast to the ground!!

Shilo · Jan 2, 2012

12 represents the fullness of Israel ( God’s Kingdom) all believers in Yeshua are part of this Kingdom
Revelation 21
12 stones on the high priest
12 stones for an alter
12 Tribes
12 apostles
12 thrones
12 foundations
12 stones on the foundations
12 gates
12 angels
Holy city 12 thousand furlongs
12 fruits on the trees
12 months
Wall was 144 cubits
. Revelation 7 you have 12 tribes with 12 thousand people each. This shows the fullness of each tribe none was lost. The fullness of the whole house of Israel and the multitude after that must be the fullness of the gentiles.

Then in the verses
Acts 1:15
15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) 16 and said, “Brothers and sisters,[b] the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our ministry.”

2 chron 5:11-12
11 The priests then withdrew from the Holy Place. All the priests who were there had consecrated themselves, regardless of their divisions. 12 All the Levites who were musicians—Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun and their sons and relatives—stood on the east side of the altar, dressed in fine linen and playing cymbals, harps and lyres. They were accompanied by 120 priests sounding trumpets

Now in acts you have 120 people who the Spirit of God fell on. Then in chronicles you have 120 priest blowing the trumpets. If you take the number of fullness 12 X 120 the priest and the witness you get 144. This is symbolic of the 144,000. As I have shown in other post GOD calls the House of Israel and the House of Judah his witnesses .

Laodicea · Jan 2, 2012

Avinu said:

That goes back to Daniel 9 which we disagree on but, this is why I believe the 42 months to be symbolic

[FONT=&quot]Reason # 1:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The expressions “time, times and the dividing of time”, “42 months”, “1260 days”, and “70 weeks”, are very peculiar. They could have been expressed in literal language but instead they are given a symbolic flavor. Notice, for example, that Luke 4:25 and James 5:17 refer to the period when there was no rain in the days of Elijah as “three years and six months”. This is the normal way of expressing time (see also, Acts 18:11; II Samuel 2:11; I Samuel 27:7).It is significant that every measurement of time in prophecy is given a symbolic flavor: hour (Revelation 17:12; 9:13), day (Revelation 12:6), week (Daniel 9:24-27), month (Revelation 13:5), year (Daniel 7:25). It is also significant that non-apocalyptic prophecies express time in literal language: 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11-12), 400 years (Genesis 15:13-15), 120 years (Genesis 6:3) with literal persons performing literal actions![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Reason # 2:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The symbolic time periods are always found within the context of apocalyptic passages where symbols predominate. For example, the three and one half times are found in the context of four symbolic beasts, a symbolic sea, symbolic winds, symbolic clouds, symbolic horns, and a symbolic little horn. Similarly, the 1260 days are found in a context where a symbolic woman, clothed with a symbolic sun, stands on a symbolic moon, with 12 symbolic stars on her head. She is persecuted by a symbolic dragon who has seven symbolic heads, ten symbolic horns and who casts a third of the symbolic stars to the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Revelation 13, the 42 months are found within a context where a symbolic composite beast, with ten symbolic horns, receives its power from a symbolic dragon. It also arises from a symbolic sea and later uses a symbolic image beast to impose a symbolic mark! The same could be said about Daniel 8. There we have a symbolic ram, a symbolic he-goat, and a symbolic little horn. It only stands to reason that if the scenes where these time periods are found in are symbolic, then the time periods must also be symbolic!![/FONT]

Shilo · Jan 2, 2012

I just want to say that the 2 house witnesses idea is wrong. The 144,000 of the tribes of Israel are the firstfruits like the word has said in Revelation 14. I pray no one took this to heart. Sometime you just got to work through something until the answer that has been looking you in the face is found. Please for
give me. keep looking into the word and you will find your answer

nath1234 · Jan 3, 2012

Shilo said:

thats one of the resons why we come here. Im sure i have ideas which are not correct

its good to hear different points of view even if we dont agree

we grow in our knowledge of the scriptures and learn different opinions on things

i think its good to put ideas out there and see what others think of them

Nath

nath1234 · Jan 3, 2012

peterT said:

Two houses maybe
Two folds yes
12 tribes yes.
Two different people, I don’t think so.
One God.
One blood.
One spirit.
One baptism.
One blood all nations of men.
This is my usual answer when someone says we are not the elect of God but the Jews are. This was my answer last night my thoughts yesterday. But after some pray in the morning I have a new thought paten.

Maybe there are two people.

One that has faith that he is a Jew by faith the elect of God, and the text is speaking to him.

And one that has not faith that he is a Jew by faith and is not the elect of God, and the text is not speaking to him.

We operate according to are faith and whatever is not of faith is a sin.

If you don’t think God is thinking about you when he says
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
And if you don’t think God is talking about you when he says.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew
great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect.
And if you don’t think God is coming for you when he says
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and
they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one
end of heaven to the other.
Then maybe he’s NOT thinking talking about you after all.
According to your faith be it don unto you.

Some of us have faith that God through the Bible is talking to us
And that when it says
Romans 2 28 For he is NOT a JEW, which is one OUTEARDLY- 29 But he IS a JEW, which is one INWARDLY.

That means us Christians are Gods Jews or apparently some of us Christians but apparently not all.

The two end time witnesses are of the household of faith.

I agree we are the elect in christ and also the agree that the hebrews God are saves through Jesus Christ are the elect

and we are all one in Jesus Christ

and i think these verses could be talking to either one of these groups or both groups

Nath

Avinu · Jan 3, 2012

That goes back to Daniel 9 which we disagree on but, this is why I believe the 42 months to be symbolic

[FONT=&quot]Reason # 1:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The expressions “time, times and the dividing of time”, “42 months”, “1260 days”, and “70 weeks”, are very peculiar. They could have been expressed in literal language but instead they are given a symbolic flavor. Notice, for example, that Luke 4:25 and James 5:17 refer to the period when there was no rain in the days of Elijah as “three years and six months”. This is the normal way of expressing time (see also, Acts 18:11; II Samuel 2:11; I Samuel 27:7).It is significant that every measurement of time in prophecy is given a symbolic flavor: hour (Revelation 17:12; 9:13), day (Revelation 12:6), week (Daniel 9:24-27), month (Revelation 13:5), year (Daniel 7:25). It is also significant that non-apocalyptic prophecies express time in literal language: 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11-12), 400 years (Genesis 15:13-15), 120 years (Genesis 6:3) with literal persons performing literal actions![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Reason # 2:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The symbolic time periods are always found within the context of apocalyptic passages where symbols predominate. For example, the three and one half times are found in the context of four symbolic beasts, a symbolic sea, symbolic winds, symbolic clouds, symbolic horns, and a symbolic little horn. Similarly, the 1260 days are found in a context where a symbolic woman, clothed with a symbolic sun, stands on a symbolic moon, with 12 symbolic stars on her head. She is persecuted by a symbolic dragon who has seven symbolic heads, ten symbolic horns and who casts a third of the symbolic stars to the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Revelation 13, the 42 months are found within a context where a symbolic composite beast, with ten symbolic horns, receives its power from a symbolic dragon. It also arises from a symbolic sea and later uses a symbolic image beast to impose a symbolic mark! The same could be said about Daniel 8. There we have a symbolic ram, a symbolic he-goat, and a symbolic little horn. It only stands to reason that if the scenes where these time periods are found in are symbolic, then the time periods must also be symbolic!![/FONT]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one also, lol. Shalom

nath1234 · Jan 3, 2012

i have a question for all who have the opinion it is the chuch and Israel

1 do you think the whole church and the whole houe of Israel will have these abilities listed and prophecy as in rev 11 v5-6

2 also do yo think the whole church and the whole houe of Israel will be gathered togther in Israel and all killed on one day vs9-11

3do you think verse 12 is the rapture?

Nath

midwestbob · Jan 3, 2012

Prophecy is like a puzzle. If we correctly place the pieces of the puzzle we will see the picture. God uses figurative language to describe literal events. The figurative language is the puzzle pieces. If we rightly divide the word of truth we will find the definitions of figurative language in God’s Word and install them in the correct locations enabling us to see the picture.

God/Word which is unchanging, tells us olive trees are Jews and Christians. God/Word which is unchanging, tells us candlesticks are churches. Churches aren’t buildings, but people.

Wouldn’t we be better served to use the definition the unchanging God/Word provides? Scripture tells us to build precept upon precept, line upon line. It also tells us to study so that we can rightly divide the word of truth. Can we rightly divide the word of truth if we ignore the definitions the unchanging God/Word gives in favor of the definitions the doctrines we have been taught hold? When we toss out the definition the unchanging God/Word gives us in favor of the definitions our doctrines teach aren’t we doing exactly what God warned against in Mark7:13?

Mar 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Jews thought they understood prophecy yet when Christ stood before them many failed to recognize him because He did not fit their preconceived notions (others because they were given a spirit of slumber). Let us not make the mistake of being blinded by preconceived notions. Let us properly divide the word of truth so that when the prophecies are fulfilled we will recognize them.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Are we so willing to satisfy our itching ears that we will ignore what the unchanging God/Word tells us so that we can cling to our doctrines? How many people will be thinking on the day of the Lord, it can’t be the day of the Lord this event or this event didn’t happen yet. But they did happen, The person just failed to recognize them because they were blinded by doctrine, just as the Jews that stood before Christ failed to recognize Him because they were blinded by doctrine. We can’t pick and choose our doctrine by what we have been taught or by what we want to happen. If we are to rightly divide the word of truth then we must base that doctrine on the unchanging God/Word actually States not our own understanding

So if we apply the definition the unchanging God/Word gives us we have no choice but to accept that the two witnesses will be the Jewish and Christian people. To do otherwise, would make” the word of God of none effect”.

Many do not want the truth, instead they prefer to satisfy their itching ears. In those cases no matter how many times they are shown their error they will cling to it.

Pro 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Let it not be us that acts as the dog that returneth to his vomit, let us leave that for the ones with itching ears!

For those interested you can read a Scripturally sound hermeneutic study of prophecy for free HERE

peterT · Jan 3, 2012

gotime said:

I like this and would like to add to it if you don't mind.

Notice here that you have the two candles as two churches, namely the Jews and the Gentile.

I would take it a bit further.

Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zec 4:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
Zec 4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

Notice here that the two olive trees are the word of God by the Spirit.

Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

So they are Gods two anointed ones before the whole earth. these two anointed ones witness of the Lord.

So putting this together with your explanation. we have two churches that bare witness of God. the Jewish church and the Christian church .

What bares record of these two churches?

The Old testament is about God through the Jewish faith, and the New Testament is about the Christian Faith. which really are two views of the one faith.

Thus I believe that the two witnesses are the Old and New Testament.

by the way during the dark ages the word of God was hidden for 1260 years and at the end in 1798 the bible was publicly burned in the streets of France and they worshipped the God of reason. this took place for 3 and a half years. interesting that those historical dates match perfectly to the two time periods given in rev 11.

Blessings.

Hi I had a dream about you last night, so I will take a closer look at what you are saying.

But I have a question, two churches one Jewish? What does that mean? Do you mean an unsaved in Christ jewish church/ Synagogue?

I will take a closer look at Zechariah 4

peterT · Jan 3, 2012

gotime said:

I had a closer look at Zac 4 and as far as I can see it is talking about the two end time witnesses

But a Jew without Jesus cannot be a witness for God. He cannot say prepare the way of the lord and make his path straight because the Lord is Jesus.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will [my] Father honour.

As far as I can see the only way your theory can be right, that the two end time witnesses are of the OT and the NT, is if they go forth in spirit and power of Elijah. Thus making them of the OT and the NT. They both have to be Christians but if they go forth in spirit and power of Elijah that makes them of the OT and the NT.

John the Baptist was not born Elijah, he was born john but went forth in spirit and power of Elijah

gotime · Jan 3, 2012

peterT said:

Hi Peter, what I meant by that is that the Jewish church in the Old testament scriptures. In other words the works of God in regards to the nation of Israel.

The Old testament is one of the witnesses that speaks of God via the nation of Israel.

The New testament is the other witness that speaks of God via the early church.

Both are in agreement, by them comes faith and that faith has power. the bible testifies or bares witness of God.

Jesus said this:

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jesus said that the Old Testament was a witness for him. we would all agree that the New testament does this also. so we have two witnesses.

notice some descriptions about them:

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Exodus 7-11 by the word of God through Moses plagues came on the earth.
Jeremiah 5:14 the word of he lord was fire in his mouth.
1 kings 17:1 the word of God though Elijah shut up the heavens.

Jesus is the word made flesh John 1:14. the bible New and old Testament are the word of God testifying of Jesus.

Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Faith comes from the word and thus great power from the two witnesses.

Revelation is interpreted by knowing the Old testament and understanding sanctuary, notice that the opening of chapter 11 is about the sanctuary. etc.

feel free to ask any questions.

Blessings.

Crossfire · Jan 3, 2012

Avinu said:

I've heard that as well. Many feel that Elijah will represent the Jew while Enoch represents the gentile (seeing as there were no Hebrews / Jews in his day).

Another popular opinion is that the two prophets will be Elijah and Moses with Moses representing the Law and Elijah representing the prophets.

Either way many believe one of the two will be Elijah or, at least, walk in the spirit of Elijah simular to John the Baptist.

peterT · Jan 3, 2012

gotime said:

Hi gotime.

I’m still struggling with this bit that you said.

Still don’t know what you mean, dose the Jew confess Jesus with him mouth to others, or dose he just quote bible verses from the OT when witnessing

Abiding · Jan 3, 2012

Its so hard to not press the scripture through your eschatological
meat grinder. And make the sausage u want. But there are some
good views here. Think midwestbob is hot on the trail.

Shilo · Jan 3, 2012

What 2 people are shown in the Bible to be standing by the LORD. It is Moses and Elijah. So they look to be the answer to the olive trees. The Lord said he would send Elijah before the day of the LORD. John was not Elijah by his own testimony. He is also asked if he is the prophet. He knows what they mean by this. We find the answer to this in Deuteronomy 18:18 The LORD said he would send a prophet like Moses. This prophet is like Moses so that is like John who came in the Spirit of Elijah. Not Moses because he has already died. Deuteronomy 18:15 Shows the coming of Jesus. The order that it is written Jesus comes before this prophet the first time. When Jesus is transfigured before them on the mountain 2 times it is written as after the sixth day. There is something different in what Luke writes. His is at 8 days and the cloud did not just covered them they entered into it. The number 6 is man’s number his time on earth, but the number 8 is a new beginning. This looks like the rapture. I have listed somethings about both of them so we might come to know them when the are shown to the world. People in John's day did not look at him like Elijah. I do not know what the meaning is of John and James wanting to be like Elijah, but something else to look into.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like Me ( the LORD) from among your own brothers. You must listen to him

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you ( Moses)from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him

Luke 9:28-34
28 About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud

Mark 9:2-4 and Matthew 17:1-6

2 After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. 3 His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. 4 And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus.
In mark the cloud just covered them in Luke the cloud covered them and they entered in.

John (Yahweh Has Been Gracious) a type of Elijah (Yahweh Is God )

In Luke
His birth foretold
Mother Elizabeth (God Is An Oath or GOD is 7) 7 means GODs plan or complete)
She is called a daughter of Aaron
Zechariah ( YHVH remembers and also can mean YHVH Guy) The Angel Gabriel’s name also means YHVH’s guy.
In the book of Zechariah 4 we have the olive trees and the candlestick
Zerubbabel ( Heated By Babylon) then we are told Zerubaabel brings forth the headstone. We are also told he laid the foundation and will finish it. Hear we are told of the 7 eyes of the LORD. Zechariah 4:14
14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Matthew 14:10 and had John beheaded in the prison. According to Josephus the daughter of Herodias was Salome (Peace ) The other person in the Bible with this name is wife of Zebedee (Gift Of The Lord )and the mother of James and John She's the one who said let my two sons sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom. Jesus' nickname of the two brothers Sons Of Thunder Mark 3:17.When his disciples James( Guided) and John observed this rejection, they asked, "Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them, as Elijah did Luke 9:54

See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.” – Malachi 4:5-6

John1:19-21
19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No

Matthew 17:10-12
10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah will come and restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”

Elijah is one of the witnesses so what do we know about him.

2 Kings 2:11 He was raptured he went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
James 5:17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours
1 Kings 17:1-7 Elijah was supernaturally feed in the wilderness
1 Kings 17:8-16 widow fed him in Zarephath. 2 sticks are talked about; there are also 2 sticks in the book of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel the 2 sticks together are the whole house of Israel. Elijah is prophesied to return the children to the fathers.
1 Kings 17:17-24 Raisethe son of the woman to life
1 Kings 18:17-20 he was called a trouble maker
1 Kings 19:1-21 He did deal with fear
1 Kings 19:9-21 he was a man of sorrow
2 Chronicles 21:12-15 God spoke through him
2 Kings 1:10-12 Elijah called fire down from heaven
1 Kings 21:17-29 He was told to go to the antichrist of his time
1 Kings 18:25-40 Elijah fought against the prophets of the antichrist

Moses lived in the wilderness
Exodus 16:4, John 6:31 fed from GOD in the wilderness
Exodus 3:10 sent to the antichrist and as a leader to god’s people

Exodus 33:11 the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face
Numbers 11:10-15 He felt his call was a burden
Exodus 4:28 Exodus 10:1-29 he did supernatural signs in front of antichrist
Then the Lord said

Acts 7:22 he was mighty in his words and deeds
Numbers 36:13 Made the people understand gods laws

Numbers 16:1-50 he fought with the religious people of his day
Numbers 12:3 he was humble

Exodus 18:13-26 Moses judged the people

gotime · Jan 3, 2012

peterT said:

ok, Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. The interactions of God with Israel is Jesus. They did not know Him As Jesus but as YHWH.

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

notice that God says that they shall pierce Him. this Was Christ speaking of Himself coming to earth in the form of humanity.

Both the New and old testament are about Jesus/God. one and the same.

Don't focus on the jew but the old testament scriptures testify of Jesus. does that help?

who are the two witnesses in revalation

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