Who are the two witnesses in revelation

[Isdaniel]

You tell me......

Lets see what Jesus said

Luke 20

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[Isdaniel]

To The_highwayman


So lets see hmmm you are saying that God gave Enoch and Elijah eternal life already hmmm so if they do have it it will be impossible for them to die

Jesus said

Luke 20

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead,neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.




Jesus made a promise that all of us who accept Him has eternal Life hmm now that will be weird for Elijah and Enoch to die



just a thought also all saints in Gods Kingdom could die again hmmm just does not add up to me

 

[Isdaniel]

To The_highwayman


Based on you saying flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God i do believe that also but lets see if any saint before got the reward of eternal life

You know the saying the last shall be the first and the first the last



What promise is this that none of the saints have not recieved even up to the time Paul was preaching ?

Hebrews 11

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[The_highwayman]

To The_highwayman


Based on you saying flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God i do believe that also but lets see if any saint before got the reward of eternal life

You know the saying the last shall be the first and the first the last



What promise is this that none of the saints have not recieved even up to the time Paul was preaching ?

Hebrews 11

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

I am following everything you are lining up, but when does a saint become immortal or obtain eternal life?

You are out of context on Heb 11.39-40, so I wont answer that.

 

[Isdaniel]

I am following everything you are lining up, but when does a saint become immortal or obtain eternal life?

You are out of context on Heb 11.39-40, so I wont answer that.

Now that is a very interesting question when does the saints get immortality

lest seee


Revelation 20 (King James Version)

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Revelation 20

King James Version (KJV)

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1Corithians 15



50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Isdaniel]

I am following everything you are lining up, but when does a saint become immortal or obtain eternal life?

You are out of context on Heb 11.39-40, so I wont answer that.

My question to you is this if Enoch and Elijah have put on immortality already then how can they die ?

 

[The_highwayman]

My question to you is this if Enoch and Elijah have put on immortality already then how can they die ?

Correct me if I am wrong, but 1 Cor 15 talks about the dead in Christ being changed, and that is correct, Elijah and Enoch never died a physical death. Both were taken by God right?


So again, when does a sanit that has never died gain eternal life or put on immortality?

Does the tree of Life have any bearing on our discussion?

 

[Isdaniel]

Correct me if I am wrong, but 1 Cor 15 talks about the dead in Christ being changed, and that is correct, Elijah and Enoch never died a physical death. Both were taken by God right?


So again, when does a sanit that has never died gain eternal life or put on immortality?

Does the tree of Life have any bearing on our discussion?

Please understand what i am asking and what you are saying

See if this makes sense

How can Enoch and Elijah have eternal life now and in the future God take it back from them let them come witness then die then ressurrect them then give them back eternal life


Not When one has eternal life the cannot die hmmmmmmmmmm

Does the tree of Life have any bearing on our discussion?[

 

[John_S]

The 2 witnesses will be 2 human beings who will be alive at that time. They will NOT be people who have been resurrected for that duty.

 

[The_highwayman]

The 2 witnesses will be 2 human beings who will be alive at that time. They will NOT be people who have been resurrected for that duty.

ENOCH and ELIJAH never died, therefore have not been resurrected.

 

[Isdaniel]

ENOCH and ELIJAH never died, therefore have not been resurrected.

How can Enoch and Elijah have eternal life now and in the future God take it back from them let them come witness then die then ressurrect them then give them back eternal life

Does that make any sense

Not When one has eternal life the cannot die hmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

The_highwayman

Why was the mount of tranfiguration Moses and elijah appeared and not Enoch ?

 

[ServantHood]

The_highwayman

Why was the mount of tranfiguration Moses and elijah appeared and not Enoch ?

He had to wash the dishes.

 

[Bowman]

Zechariah 4

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

That would still be Satan, would it not...?

 

[The_highwayman]

The_highwayman

Why was the mount of tranfiguration Moses and elijah appeared and not Enoch ?

FOr the benefit of the disciples who witnessed the transfiguration.

Moses cannot be one of the two witnesses, because they stand in Jerusalem and Moses was allowed to enter the Promised land

 

[The_highwayman]

How can Enoch and Elijah have eternal life now and in the future God take it back from them let them come witness then die then ressurrect them then give them back eternal life

Does that make any sense

Not When one has eternal life the cannot die hmmmmmmmmmm

SO does being transfigured mean you are now immortal or have eternal life?

How does the Tree of Life fit into this discussion.

 

[Isdaniel]

SO does being transfigured mean you are now immortal or have eternal life?

How does the Tree of Life fit into this discussion.

1 John 5

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God



When the saints change they put on immortality they did not eat of the tree of life which was in the garden of Eden until the 1000yr has ended hmmmmm

Eternal life is in Jesus, the Tree of life is for enjoyment .
As soon as the saints change they put on eternal life they cannot die even though they did not eat of the tree of life . The real Tree of Life Is Jesus

 

[Isdaniel]

SO does being transfigured mean you are now immortal or have eternal life?

How does the Tree of Life fit into this discussion.

Explain what you mean by transfigured because there are many instances with the word use and it has to apply within its context

 

[Isdaniel]

FOr the benefit of the disciples who witnessed the transfiguration.

Moses cannot be one of the two witnesses, because they stand in Jerusalem and Moses was allowed to enter the Promised land

Num 20:8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
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God gives Moses a very specific set of instructions with a limited number of steps. These are not complicated steps, but yet people sometimes hear what they want to hear, instead of what God says and that get’s them into trouble in a very big way. As we read through the rest of this chapter we find that Moses did not do what God said to do. Let’s examine carefully the specific set of instructions that God gave:

1. Take Your Rod.
2. Get Your Brother Aaron.
3. Gather the People before the Rock.
4. Speak to the Rock.
5. Give Everyone a Drink.

Num 20:9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.
Num 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

Num 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

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[Isdaniel]

FOr the benefit of the disciples who witnessed the transfiguration.

Moses cannot be one of the two witnesses, because they stand in Jerusalem and Moses was allowed to enter the Promised land

The vision of the Promised Land.
Then Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, which is across from Jericho. And the Lord showed him all the land of Gilead as far as Dan, all Naphtali and the land of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Western Sea, the South, and the plain of the Valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, as far as Zoar.

a. Then Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo: As Israel camped on the plains of Moab, Moses climbed the heights of Mount Nebo - from which he could see the Promised Land, as far as the Western Sea.

b. And the Lord showed him all the land: This was God’s sweet grace to Moses. Though he could not set foot in the Promised Land, God allowed him to see it. Standing on the peak of Nebo on the collection of Mountains called Pisgah, Moses stood on what is the modern nation of Jordan, looking towards the Promised Land.

2. (4) God’s last words to Moses: This is the land…

Then the Lord said to him, “This is the land of which I swore to give Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have caused you to see it with your eyes, but you shall not cross over there.”