Who is a Prophet Under God?

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newton3003

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You walk along a busy city street and you see a man holding up a sign that says, ‘The end is near.’ Is he a prophet? If you didn’t know any better, in terms of prophesying how is he any different than Jesus, who prophesied in Matthew 24? Both predict something that may not come to pass in our lifetime. Some may think that the man is a disciple of Jesus, since both have basically predicted the end to the world as we know it. Without knowledge of the Bible, can you argue that the man is a false prophet?

Was Jesus a prophet while on earth? Hebrews 1:1-2 says, “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…” What to make of that? Aren’t we all sons and daughters of God? Is Jesus not a prophet because he is God’s exalted son?

Holding for the moment that Jesus is Jesus as the Bible describes him, the question is Who is a prophet, at least someone whom we can listen to? Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says, “But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, IF THE WORD DOES NOT COME TO PASS OR COME TRUE, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.”

Well, it seems that anyone who predicts something happening hundreds or thousands of years from now can call themselves a prophet, simply because it will be a long time before anyone can know whether his predictions come to pass. Does that mean he is to be regarded as a prophet in the meantime?

Let’s presume for the moment that anyone who predicts something happening a long time from now can be regarded as a prophet, as someone who, according to 2 Peter 1:21 speaks from God. What would it take for us to conclusively say, ‘The man doesn’t speak from God”? Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says, “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘LET US GO AFTER OTHER GODS…and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams.”

If we take the whole Bible into consideration in accordance with 2 Timothy 3:16, the prophet need not expressly say ‘Let us go after other Gods.’ He may also implore us to do things that are contrary to what God wants, as far as our understanding of the Bible is concerned. If he says to you ‘You must sacrifice a pig in order to show your faith in God,’ and we do so, we would be in essence following a god that approves of this practice.

What if the so-called prophet says, ‘You must give me money to show your faith in God’? Well, why would God need money? And does the Bible tells us that you either worship God or you worship money, but you can’t worship both?

What if a clergyman, supposedly a man of God tells you that your son died in childbirth because you sinned? (This is what a clergyman told one of my friends.) Well, there are a number of reasons that can be taken from the Bible, to show that God doesn’t sacrifice a person for the wrong another person has done. First off, every conception is an act of God. Secondly, God commanded us to multiply, so for Him to indiscriminately stop a childbirth is a non-starter. Third, did God not say that the sins of the father shall not be visited on the son? Given all that, would this clergyman truly be a man of God, whether or not he may say he’s a prophet? Does this clergyman not seem to go after other gods, those who believe that the child should be made to suffer for the sins of the parent?

As far as God goes, we must always be on guard as to whom we should listen to. If a man holds up a sign saying ‘The end is near,’ should we take him seriously? Are we not told that there are angels in our midst? Well, if we ask him about his sign, and he says something like, ‘You must sacrifice a child to forestall the end,’ well, we can just walk on by.
 

Dino246

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There is a lot of material in your post, requiring a book to answer it all thoroughly.

A true prophet is one who speaks God's words to men. In the OT, this is mostly either predictive (foretelling the future which is often conditional) or corrective. In the NT, obviously Jesus prophesied, but so did Anna, Agabus, Philip's daughters, and at least some of the Corinthian believers. Some of it was predictive, some was not. 1 Corinthians 14 gives some parameters for prophecy.

A false prophet is one who pretends to speak God's words. Whether his motive is personal gain, prestige, or deceit, it is not to be faithful to God.

Repeating something that has already been prophesied clearly does not make someone a prophet. The guy with the sign is likely just retelling a message he read or heard somewhere.

The "clergyman" who told your brother that his child died because of his sin was at best far out of line. There is a myriad of reasons why a child might die, and unless your brother was convicted about a specific sin, he can ignore the clergyman's message as irrelevant.

The prophets in the OT never demanded money. Samuel may have accepted what might be called honoraria, but Elisha flatly refused the gift Naaman offerred. Any self-designated "prophet" who demands money can be ignored.

As with new bank tellers training with new money, the best way to understand who is or isn't a prophet is to become familiar with the real thing in Scripture.
 

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Hebrews 1:1-2 says, “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…” What to make of that? Aren’t we all sons and daughters of God?
No.

But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed
in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision
or a husband’s will, but born of God.

John 1:12-13
 

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Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus,
“I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God” (Matthew 26:63). “‘Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66). Later, before Pontius Pilate, “The Jews insisted, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God’” (John 19:7). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”

Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the “son of perdition.” John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the “son of perdition”? The word perdition means “destruction, ruin, waste.” Judas was not the literal son of “ruin, destruction, and waste,” but those things were the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1, 14). Source
 

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Who is a Prophet Under God?
Prophets spoke strictly by divine revelation. The apostle John was the last genuine prophet. And he closed off all prophecies.
 

newton3003

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No.

But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed
in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision
or a husband’s will, but born of God.

John 1:12-13
Yes. and John 3:16 says, "“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." So, taking into account John 1:12-13, He desires then that everyone be his children. So, there is His son Jesus, and there are his other sons and daughters, who, having received Him are His children also, and who will receive Him will become His children as well.

All prophets under God, then, are His children.
 

newton3003

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The apostle John was the last genuine prophet. And he closed off all prophecies.
What do you make of Jeremiah 1:5, which says "“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”? Does that passage no longer apply? It has been used to argue that God knows everyone who is in the womb, and that anyone of those could have been appointed a prophet by Him, therefore things like abortion are not only murder, they are sacrilegious.

John was the last RECORDED prophet in the Bible, via Revelation. But Jeremiah 1:5 leaves open other prophets that may come, and may have come after John, IMHO.
 

newton3003

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The apostle John was the last genuine prophet. And he closed off all prophecies.
The prior post, expanded:

What do you make of Jeremiah 1:5, which says "“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”? Does that passage no longer apply? It has been used to argue that God knows everyone who is in the womb, and that anyone of those could have been appointed a prophet by Him, therefore things like abortion are not only murder, they are sacrilegious.

John was the last RECORDED prophet in the Bible, via Revelation. But Jeremiah 1:5 leaves open other prophets that may come, and may have come after John, IMHO.

Don't know where in the Bible it says that future prophets are closed off. If you are thinking of Revelation 22:18 which says "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book," writers have interpreted 'adding to the Book' here to mean adding anything which may go contrary to the spirit and faith in God that the Bible projects. If, for example, a person "prophesies" that God will appear as Satan and will condemn all people He judges to be righteous, God might add to such a person the "plagues that are written in this Book."

Unfortunately I don't believe I ever met a prophet, so i can't give an example of a person prophesying in a manner that doesn't "add" to the prophesies in the Bible, but i believe such a person, maybe more than one person, may be out there fro time to time.
 
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Repeating something that has already been prophesied clearly does not make someone a prophet. The guy with the sign is likely just retelling a message he read or heard somewhere.
Prophecy declares the word or will of God. Prophets prophesy by declaring the will of God, prophecy.

Repeating something that has already been prophesied clearly does make someone a prophet when they do declare it . The gospel can be hear over and over.

The guy with the prophecy is likely just retelling a message he read or heard in the bible, the book of prophecy. If he would add to it He would be considered a false prophet.
 

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What if a clergyman, supposedly a man of God tells you that your son died in childbirth because you sinned?
I would tell the insensitive jerk to stick it where the sun don't shine and find another church.
 
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The prior post, expanded:

What do you make of Jeremiah 1:5, which says "“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”? Does that passage no longer apply? It has been used to argue that God knows everyone who is in the womb, and that anyone of those could have been appointed a prophet by Him, therefore things like abortion are not only murder, they are sacrilegious.

John was the last RECORDED prophet in the Bible, via Revelation. But Jeremiah 1:5 leaves open other prophets that may come, and may have come after John, IMHO.

Don't know where in the Bible it says that future prophets are closed off. If you are thinking of Revelation 22:18 which says "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book," writers have interpreted 'adding to the Book' here to mean adding anything which may go contrary to the spirit and faith in God that the Bible projects. If, for example, a person "prophesies" that God will appear as Satan and will condemn all people He judges to be righteous, God might add to such a person the "plagues that are written in this Book."

Unfortunately I don't believe I ever met a prophet, so i can't give an example of a person prophesying in a manner that doesn't "add" to the prophesies in the Bible, but i believe such a person, maybe more than one person, may be out there fro time to time.

Hi Newton when you declare the word of God you are prophesying. You prove that or introduce yourself Newton a prophet when you post the word of God as a apologist defending prophecy which does defend us. If you feel God is supporting you them you are also a apostle in the truest sense of the word. This was before false apostles like the Catholics began adding other meaning to the word .

This does not mean erroring in interpretation but making adding doctrine of men that do despite to the grace of God taking away the intended gospel.

It's the gospel that makes a prophet true. Not the feet or the person of those sent (apostle)



When one add to all things written in the law and the prophets . Then they are considered false prophets .They are declaring thier own will as a oral tradition and not the will of God.
 
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newton3003 said:


What if a clergyman, supposedly a man of God tells you that your son died in childbirth because you sinned?

I would ask him what's the numbers of the lottery?

David was revealed it was the cause . The spirit of Christ that indwelt David must of informed him he has quickened the child's soul in the womb . He said you can go to him on the last day when they both received their new incorruptible bodies, but he cannot come back to corruption.
 

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Unfortunately I don't believe I ever met a prophet, so i can't give an example of a person prophesying in a manner that doesn't "add" to the prophesies in the Bible, but i believe such a person, maybe more than one person, may be out there fro time to time.
Keep on dreaming. What the prophets had to say is now recorded in a book which brought genuine prophecies to an end. But you are welcome to listen to the false prophets which Jesus said would abound before His coming.
 

Dino246

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Prophecy declares the word or will of God. Prophets prophesy by declaring the will of God, prophecy.

Repeating something that has already been prophesied clearly does make someone a prophet when they do declare it . The gospel can be hear over and over.

The guy with the prophecy is likely just retelling a message he read or heard in the bible, the book of prophecy. If he would add to it He would be considered a false prophet.
Did you read the OP? What makes you think what the clergyman said comes from the Bible? It isn't there.

Retelling the gospel does not make the speaker a prophet... not at all. Prophecy is a specific gifting that God gives to certain people of His choice for His purposes. Retelling His word or expounding on it is preaching, not prophesying.
 
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Did you read the OP? What makes you think what the clergyman said comes from the Bible? It isn't there.

Retelling the gospel does not make the speaker a prophet... not at all. Prophecy is a specific gifting that God gives to certain people of His choice for His purposes. Retelling His word or expounding on it is preaching, not prophesying.
With all due respect. Ok then if the gospel does not make the speaker a prophet what does it make the person (seen) ? A Mystic?

He is the master teacher we can plant the seed and water it. .We are to call no man teacher on earth .One is in heaven. We can teach others on how we believe according to the tools he has given as to how we can hear. But we would never assume that power that works in us could be of us. God moves men. He makes us different then one another. Like fingerprints some a little other more.

Prophets declare the gospel called prophesying. Some more than once many all their new life as the new tongue that follows one that has heard and believed God not seen .

And yes moving one's feet (apostle) as one sent with prophecy makes them a prophet .Helps us to understand all apostles are prophets .

God sent Able the first martyr with prophecy . Cain killed the messenger Abel (apostle) thinking he killed the source. Abel's voice of prophecy is still faithfully crying out from the same field .They killed the Son of man, Jesus a prophet sent with the word of the father. the high apostle of our calling. Thinking it would make all things written in the law and prophets without effect as in out of sight out of mind. ….Yet for all that they refused to hear prophecy .
 

Dino246

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With all due respect. Ok then if the gospel does not make the speaker a prophet what does it make the person (seen) ? A Mystic?
Why does it have to make the speaker anything other than what he is... himself (or herself)?

He is the master teacher we can plant the seed and water it. .We are to call no man teacher on earth .One is in heaven. We can teach others on how we believe according to the tools he has given as to how we can hear. But we would never assume that power that works in us could be of us. God moves men. He makes us different then one another. Like fingerprints some a little other more.
Yes, but "prophet" is one gifting, "apostle" is another, and "teacher" is still another. They aren't all the same thing. See 1 Corinthians 12 and 14, and Ephesians 4.

Prophets declare the gospel called prophesying. Some more than once many all their new life as the new tongue that follows one that has heard and believed God not seen .

And yes moving one's feet (apostle) as one sent with prophecy makes them a prophet .Helps us to understand all apostles are prophets .
Declaring the gospel is not prophesying; it never was in the New Testament and it isn't in the Church. Moving one's feet does not make that person an apostle any more than speaking the Scripture makes a person a prophet.

God sent Able the first martyr with prophecy . Cain killed the messenger Abel (apostle) thinking he killed the source. Abel's voice of prophecy is still faithfully crying out from the same field .They killed the Son of man, Jesus a prophet sent with the word of the father. the high apostle of our calling. Thinking it would make all things written in the law and prophets without effect as in out of sight out of mind. ….Yet for all that they refused to hear prophecy .
Not sure what you're talking about here. It seems off topic.
 
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Why does it have to make the speaker anything other than what he is... himself (or herself)?
It does not make him any more than what he is. It reveals who God is more or any less. It is said; how beautiful are the feet .Feet are used throughout the Bible to represent the power of the gospel that works in us .We are to never assume it could be of as sent one.(apostles).

A prophet is a person who declares the word of God because that is what he calls those who moves to bring his gift prophecy . The gift is not the person but the goods they bring ,

Yes, but "prophet" is one gifting, "apostle" is another, and "teacher" is still another. They aren't all the same thing. See 1 Corinthians 12 and 14, and Ephesians 4.
An apostle is one sent with the prophecy of God .Prophecy the word of God it teaches us the things of God .Apostles as prophets are sent with the word of God to plant the seed or water it with the water of the word.They have nothing to do with the growth if any. Diversities of one brings different working of the gift , but the same Spirit works in all to teach all

.It is our anointing teacher Christ in us that not only teaches, comforts and sent people out with a new tongue (the gospel) but he also is accredited to brining to our mind his interpretation as a gift.... as all things he has taught us that we do hear coming from prophecy. The gift that keeps on giving.

Its the Holy Spirits approval we are to seek of. The gift of infallibility does not come after the flesh as that which the eyes see,

Even the Son of man Jesus as an apostle did not make the claim of being a fleshly infallible mediator of God. He would not stand in the Holy Place of our Father in heaven as the abomination of desecration as a daysman . The Pope does it up proudly

Declaring the gospel is not prophesying; it never was in the New Testament and it isn't in the Church. Moving one's feet does not make that person an apostle any more than speaking the Scripture makes a person a prophet.
Declaring the gospel (Bible) is prophesying;

The gospel is the good news of God .(The whole Bible or book of prophecy makes up the one gospel ).

The gospel is not limited to the idea of calling each prophet, the gospel of this one or that one as if it was after man to begin with .

Like some say the gospel of Mathew, Mark, luke or John.( oral traditions of men) That can get confusing . some will still pit one prophet against another (like James against Paul, or Paul against other apostles and miss the good news gospel

The gospel is not gospel of men .Again the good new is we can hear God not seen .That god news begins in generisis and end with the last capter of the book .Revelation
 

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It does not make him any more than what he is. It reveals who God is more or any less. It is said; how beautiful are the feet .Feet are used throughout the Bible to represent the power of the gospel that works in us .We are to never assume it could be of as sent one.(apostles).

A prophet is a person who declares the word of God because that is what he calls those who moves to bring his gift prophecy . The gift is not the person but the goods they bring ,



An apostle is one sent with the prophecy of God .Prophecy the word of God it teaches us the things of God .Apostles as prophets are sent with the word of God to plant the seed or water it with the water of the word.They have nothing to do with the growth if any. Diversities of one brings different working of the gift , but the same Spirit works in all to teach all

.It is our anointing teacher Christ in us that not only teaches, comforts and sent people out with a new tongue (the gospel) but he also is accredited to brining to our mind his interpretation as a gift.... as all things he has taught us that we do hear coming from prophecy. The gift that keeps on giving.

Its the Holy Spirits approval we are to seek of. The gift of infallibility does not come after the flesh as that which the eyes see,

Even the Son of man Jesus as an apostle did not make the claim of being a fleshly infallible mediator of God. He would not stand in the Holy Place of our Father in heaven as the abomination of desecration as a daysman . The Pope does it up proudly



Declaring the gospel (Bible) is prophesying;

The gospel is the good news of God .(The whole Bible or book of prophecy makes up the one gospel ).

The gospel is not limited to the idea of calling each prophet, the gospel of this one or that one as if it was after man to begin with .

Like some say the gospel of Mathew, Mark, luke or John.( oral traditions of men) That can get confusing . some will still pit one prophet against another (like James against Paul, or Paul against other apostles and miss the good news gospel

The gospel is not gospel of men .Again the good new is we can hear God not seen .That god news begins in generisis and end with the last capter of the book .Revelation
I disagree with you... almost completely. However, let’s pretend for a moment that your view is correct. Why then is Agabus called a prophet but Apollos, Prisca, and Peter are not?
 

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Keep on dreaming. What the prophets had to say is now recorded in a book which brought genuine prophecies to an end. But you are welcome to listen to the false prophets which Jesus said would abound before His coming.
It sounds, NEHEMIAH, like you BUILT A WALL against any further prophets. Nehemiah the prophet, your namesake, did not build such a wall. The one he oversaw being built was in Jerusalem to replace the one that was destroyed by its enemies.

There is nothing in the Bible that says there will be no more prophets. Not even the Old Testament says this.
 

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There is nothing in the Bible that says there will be no more prophets. Not even the Old Testament says this.
This is a matter of simple logic. If there can be no more genuine prophecies after the book of Revelation, then there can be NO MORE PROPHETS.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Rev 22:18)

1. John identifies the book of Revelation as a prophetic book.

2. Then he warns everyone about adding to these prophecies.

3. Then he describes the dire punishment for those who would violate this injunction.

4. We know from Church History as well as the location and content of Revelation, that it was the last prophetic book of the Bible as well as the last book chronologically.

5. Which means that John was the final genuine prophet who spoke by divine revelation.

6. We also know that Christ Himself is called the ultimate Prophet by Moses, and John was giving us "the Revelation of Jesus Christ".

7. Putting all these FACTS together you are hereby warned: BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS.

8. Mohammad, Joseph Smith, and Ellen G. White (among many others) all claimed to be prophets. But they all produced false teachings.