Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

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PlainWord

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Jackson123,

Your evidence is just noise. Babylon is not the Catholic Church. In today's world the Catholic Church is peaceful. There is nothing on the horizon that suggests a holy crusade by Catholics. ISLAM is a different story. Everything is pointing to a world wide Caliphate and Holy Jihad. ISIS has declared one. ISIS will not be stopped and the whole world will look at ISIS in amazement.

If we look at John's 7 Beasts and Daniel's 4 Beasts we see a couple things in common with them all:

1) Pagan worship
2) Captivity of God's people


Disobedience to God has led to captivity. This concept of captivity is a recurring theme by the prophets. They speak of spiritual and physical captivity.

Ezekiel 39:23
The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword.

Ezekiel 39:28
then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them captive any longer.

Daniel 11:33
And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering.

Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Revelation 13:10
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

The Roman Catholic Church has NEVER captured the Jewish nation. Rome has and that's why Rome is one of the beasts (6th).

I shared with you in my recent post about Ishmael and Hagar the Egyptian. Issac is the father of Jews and Ishmael is the father of Arabs. These two families or genealogies have for 4,000 years been linked. The history of conflict between these two in the Bible and up to today is undeniable. Now consider Galatians 4:

Two Covenants

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? [SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [SUP]24 [/SUP]which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”


[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.


Jerusalem - Jews - Free
Arabia - Muslims - Bondage


Spiritually speaking:

Jerusalem is the center of Christianity
Mecca is the center of Paganism (ISLAM)


Hagar = Bondwoman = Harlot = Today's ISLAM = Spiritually Bonded to Satan

Now look at the distance between these two spiritually opposite cities.

Jerusalem to Mecca

Route information


Distance


  • Air line: 767.07 mi


767.07mi = 666.57nmi

The cities are 666 nautical miles apart. I'm not saying this is the 666. I'm just saying isn't this an interesting coincidence?

[h=1]Temple mount to Mecca is 666 miles!!!!!![/h]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXdFjuAJ-w#t=13
 
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Jackson123

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My dear Brother Plainword.


You said Catholic never doing hostile to Jew?
than why John Paul II make apology? Apology for what?






Apology by Pope John Paul II for past sins of Roman Catholics


www.religioustolerance.org/p...





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A Roman Catholic apology for the past sins of its members

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2 Arab my attack Israel in the last day, but it doesn't mean Antichrist from Arab.

It my first beast, but the power is come from second beast/Pope. He work secretly till in the middle of tribulation show up in the temple as a god.
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PlainWord

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My dear Brother Plainword.


You said Catholic never doing hostile to Jew?
than why John Paul II make apology? Apology for what?






Apology by Pope John Paul II for past sins of Roman Catholics


www.religioustolerance.org/p...





Language of the




A Roman Catholic apology for the past sins of its members

Scope, language, implications, reactions


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apologies:

The language used in both Pope John Paul II's apology and the "Memory and Reconciliation" seems to downplay the seriousness of the sins and errors committed:
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[TD="width: 100%"]In an apparent reference to the instructions of church leaders and councils which resulted inburning hundreds of thousands of Jews alive, in exiling them from entire countries, in forcing them into ghettos, the document said that "The hostility and wariness of numerous Christians toward Jews over the course of time is a painful historic fact." In the pope's homily, he referred to "attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed towards followers of other religions." Some might think that the church's actions went well beyond simple "hostility," " wariness" and " mistrust" to include mass murder and perhaps even genocide. [/TD]
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2 Arab my attack Israel in the last day, but it doesn't mean Antichrist from Arab.

It my first beast, but the power is come from second beast/Pope. He work secretly till in the middle of tribulation show up in the temple as a god.
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We are talking about the future my friend. Who is the future last Babylon?? Is it the Catholics or the Islamist?

Babylon does not equal AntiChrist

I do find it ironic that in the past Catholics blame Jews for Christ's crucifixion when it was the Romans who actually carried out the act. I also find it sad that many Christians still harbor ill will towards Jews in general because of the part their religious leaders played in the Cross. They forget the tens of thousands of every day common Jew who followed Christ, believed in Him and belonged to the early Jewish churches. Instead, they lump the whole nation in as sinners thinking that the entire Jewish nation missed their Messiah which isn't true.

As for Mystery Babylon the Great - It is no mystery any longer. It is Islam. Priests are not going around cutting off heads of Christians and Muslims who will not follow ISIS - ISIS is doing this. It is ISIS threatening the Muslim and Jewish world and it this is the start of the end. ISIS is the beginning of the final BEAST and ISLAM is riding this beast. There is NO military group of nations fighting a Catholic Holy War my friend, nor will there be again.

This "AntiChrist" causes people to set up an image to this beast. He then makes this image come alive. He then causes people to "worship" this image of this ISLAM Beast, take it's mark, its name or the number of its name. Whoever refuses to worship the Image of this Islamic Beast will be killed.

The number of this Islamic Beast is "666." John was told to write down what he saw in the vision. This is what he wrote...



These symbols mean....



The Mark of the BEAST ISIS is being worn on foreheads right now!!!





Since the final Beast is a group of Islamic Terrorists which will be joined by nations such as Turkey and since the will hate their own religion ISLAM as followed by the Arab Kings, they will destroy MECCA and take the wealth of Saudi Arabia and other rich Arab Nations - Since we know this, should we think that the "AntiChrist" is Catholic?

Do you think the Pope is going to forsake his 1.2 Billion Catholics and go take over ISLAM so he can control their 1.5 Billion followers so he can then wage a holy war against Christians, including his fellow Catholics, Jewish and Muslims who do not live under Sharia Law? That's a little on the wild speculation front my friend. Instead, think ARAB leader who appears peaceful who comes from where John was at the time he wrote his 3 epistles (Turkey).

It will be none other than Satan himself. Satan is the Man of Sin. Satan is the "AntiChrist" come as a man. There is only one entity already sentenced to Perdition and that is Satan. So, the Son of Perdition is Satan come as a man just as the Son of God was/is Christ come as a man.
 
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We are talking about the future my friend. Who is the future last Babylon?? Is it the Catholics or the Islamist?

Babylon does not equal AntiChrist

I do find it ironic that in the past Catholics blame Jews for Christ's crucifixion when it was the Romans who actually carried out the act. I also find it sad that many Christians still harbor ill will towards Jews in general because of the part their religious leaders played in the Cross. They forget the tens of thousands of every day common Jew who followed Christ, believed in Him and belonged to the early Jewish churches. Instead, they lump the whole nation in as sinners thinking that the entire Jewish nation missed their Messiah which isn't true.

As for Mystery Babylon the Great - It is no mystery any longer. It is Islam. Priests are not going around cutting off heads of Christians and Muslims who will not follow ISIS - ISIS is doing this. It is ISIS threatening the Muslim and Jewish world and it this is the start of the end. ISIS is the beginning of the final BEAST and ISLAM is riding this beast. There is NO military group of nations fighting a Catholic Holy War my friend, nor will there be again.

This "AntiChrist" causes people to set up an image to this beast. He then makes this image come alive. He then causes people to "worship" this image of this ISLAM Beast, take it's mark, its name or the number of its name. Whoever refuses to worship the Image of this Islamic Beast will be killed.

The number of this Islamic Beast is "666." John was told to write down what he saw in the vision. This is what he wrote...



These symbols mean....



The Mark of the BEAST ISIS is being worn on foreheads right now!!!





Since the final Beast is a group of Islamic Terrorists which will be joined by nations such as Turkey and since the will hate their own religion ISLAM as followed by the Arab Kings, they will destroy MECCA and take the wealth of Saudi Arabia and other rich Arab Nations - Since we know this, should we think that the "AntiChrist" is Catholic?

Do you think the Pope is going to forsake his 1.2 Billion Catholics and go take over ISLAM so he can control their 1.5 Billion followers so he can then wage a holy war against Christians, including his fellow Catholics, Jewish and Muslims who do not live under Sharia Law? That's a little on the wild speculation front my friend. Instead, think ARAB leader who appears peaceful who comes from where John was at the time he wrote his 3 epistles (Turkey).

It will be none other than Satan himself. Satan is the Man of Sin. Satan is the "AntiChrist" come as a man. There is only one entity already sentenced to Perdition and that is Satan. So, the Son of Perdition is Satan come as a man just as the Son of God was/is Christ come as a man.

PlainWord I agree with you that Islam is one of the final main players of the end times.
However the bible clearly states and shows that the Roman empire will follow him, so we can not leave them out as I believe the bible points to the pope (now or future one) as the false prophet. The bible clearly shows this Roman empire will rise again and that is what follows the man of sin to destroy Babylon.
 

john832

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PlainWord I agree with you that Islam is one of the final main players of the end times.
However the bible clearly states and shows that the Roman empire will follow him, so we can not leave them out as I believe the bible points to the pope (now or future one) as the false prophet. The bible clearly shows this Roman empire will rise again and that is what follows the man of sin to destroy Babylon.
Got some scripture that shows Islam is a final main player?
 

PlainWord

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Consider the below passage and keep in mind the translators did not have the context we have today. in the early 1600s Islamist extremists were not running around chopping of the heads of "infidels." Now look at the below passage as originally transliterated.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

The word "calculate" as translated from the Greek "psephizo" may also be translated as "reckon" "or "decide" or "identify."

The word "number" from the Greek "arithmos" may also be translated as "multitude" as in "Multitudes of Peoples/Nations" which we see used a lot in Revelation.

Imagine if John was writing down Arab text that he saw being worn by multitudes instead of writing down Greek letters as they were translated and imagine this text is the same Arab text we see today which means "in the name of Allah" how confusing it would be to John some 500+ years before Islam existed and how confusing it would be for translators 500 years ago to correctly translate into English.

If the translators of the King James had the context of today, and could see what is happening in the world today, they could have easily, and more accurately, translated the above verse like this:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding identify the multitude (of peoples) of the beast, for it is the multitude (peoples) of a man (Satan as a man): His multitude (peoples) act in the name of Allah.

Since the above required wisdom, we can assume the passage included more than just Greek text. The context would be impossible for anyone to understand until events started to unfold. Daniel tells us that in the last days, knowledge will increase. Thus if the above translation is true things are already in place and unfolding in our life times.
 

john832

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Consider the below passage and keep in mind the translators did not have the context we have today. in the early 1600s Islamist extremists were not running around chopping of the heads of "infidels." Now look at the below passage as originally transliterated.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

The word "calculate" as translated from the Greek "psephizo" may also be translated as "reckon" "or "decide" or "identify."

The word "number" from the Greek "arithmos" may also be translated as "multitude" as in "Multitudes of Peoples/Nations" which we see used a lot in Revelation.

Imagine if John was writing down Arab text that he saw being worn by multitudes instead of writing down Greek letters as they were translated and imagine this text is the same Arab text we see today which means "in the name of Allah" how confusing it would be to John some 500+ years before Islam existed and how confusing it would be for translators 500 years ago to correctly translate into English.

If the translators of the King James had the context of today, and could see what is happening in the world today, they could have easily, and more accurately, translated the above verse like this:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding identify the multitude (of peoples) of the beast, for it is the multitude (peoples) of a man (Satan as a man): His multitude (peoples) act in the name of Allah.

Since the above required wisdom, we can assume the passage included more than just Greek text. The context would be impossible for anyone to understand until events started to unfold. Daniel tells us that in the last days, knowledge will increase. Thus if the above translation is true things are already in place and unfolding in our life times.
Yep and the Roman numerals in the name Ronald Wilson Reagan add up to 666 as does just about every other diplomat or world leader.

Some things to consider...

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

It is not too difficult to figure out this is a religious figure who speaks as if he is a representative of the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

He will perform miracles.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

How many people do you know that will fall into the deception of the Islam to the point of tailoring their work routines and how they do things as well as how they think to the ways of the prophet?

Too many of my friends have a concealed carry permit to do that.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Now this mark, something in the way you do things or work and the way you think will determine whether you can buy or sell (conduct business). One has to have the mark, the name or the number associated with what they think and do.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This Beast is a man and something about him adds up to 666. I don't see Islam working for this.
 

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PlainWord I agree with you that Islam is one of the final main players of the end times.
However the bible clearly states and shows that the Roman empire will follow him, so we can not leave them out as I believe the bible points to the pope (now or future one) as the false prophet. The bible clearly shows this Roman empire will rise again and that is what follows the man of sin to destroy Babylon.
I beg to differ. Nothing in the Bible that I am aware of points to the Roman Empire rising again. Daniel identifies 4 Beast Empires, right? They were:

Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Rome being the most terrible.

John saw 8 Beast empires:

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Ottoman Empire, and the final one not identified.

If we put what Daniel and John saw we have these 7.

1) Egypt, 2) Assyria, 3) Babylon, 4) Medo-Persia, 5) Greece, 6) Rome, 7) Ottoman Empire

The above were continuous meaning one replaced the other without break. The Ottoman Empire replaced the last of Rome which was the Eastern Roman Empire AKA the Byzantine Empire headquartered at Constantinople which of course was named after Roman Constantine and now called Istanbul.

When the Ottoman Empire fell in 1922 we had a mortal wound. There was no successor. But we are told that the mortal wound will be healed and the world will marvel. This 7th Beast was Islamic, and the 8th beast is (or will be) Islamic. Now, don't feel bad, a lot of people don't catch this. They think that Daniel told us the 4th beast (ROME) would not only be the most terrible, but also the Last Beast. But that isn't what Daniel says at all.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kingsWho shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;


We see that 10 kings (or Kingdoms) will arise from Rome and another horn will arise. This happens after Rome is gone. The least beast, the 8th are of the previous 7 meaning they are of Satan and they are pagan, worshiping a foreign god in this case - ALLAH.
 

PlainWord

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Yep and the Roman numerals in the name Ronald Wilson Reagan add up to 666 as does just about every other diplomat or world leader.

Some things to consider...

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

It is not too difficult to figure out this is a religious figure who speaks as if he is a representative of the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

He will perform miracles.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

How many people do you know that will fall into the deception of the Islam to the point of tailoring their work routines and how they do things as well as how they think to the ways of the prophet?

Too many of my friends have a concealed carry permit to do that.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Now this mark, something in the way you do things or work and the way you think will determine whether you can buy or sell (conduct business). One has to have the mark, the name or the number associated with what they think and do.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This Beast is a man and something about him adds up to 666. I don't see Islam working for this.
I do. The SECOND BEAST is Satan come as a Man - Just as Christ did. He is the Son of Perdition meaning he has already been condemned to Hell.

So, who is the Son of Satan? The answer is Satan himself as a man.

How do we know? Because we are told.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped...

SON OF PERDITION?? There is only one. Are we told Satan comes as a Man? YES OF COURSE.

Satan is the King of Tyre, right???

Ezek 28:


[SUP]8 [/SUP]They shall throw you down into the Pit,
And you shall die the death of the slain
In the midst of the seas. (PEOPLES)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Will you still say before him who slays you,
‘I am a god’?
But you shall be a man, and not a god,
In the hand of him who slays you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]You shall die the death of the uncircumcised
By the hand of aliens;
For I have spoken,” says the Lord God.’”

The above describes the death of Satan as a Man who is the same person Paul described above and the same that Daniel saw as the King of the North.

Why does Satan come as a Man?? Because he is a copy cat. He wishes to replace Christ and God.
 
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I beg to differ. Nothing in the Bible that I am aware of points to the Roman Empire rising again. Daniel identifies 4 Beast Empires, right? They were:

Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Rome being the most terrible.

John saw 8 Beast empires:

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Ottoman Empire, and the final one not identified.

If we put what Daniel and John saw we have these 7.

1) Egypt, 2) Assyria, 3) Babylon, 4) Medo-Persia, 5) Greece, 6) Rome, 7) Ottoman Empire

The above were continuous meaning one replaced the other without break. The Ottoman Empire replaced the last of Rome which was the Eastern Roman Empire AKA the Byzantine Empire headquartered at Constantinople which of course was named after Roman Constantine and now called Istanbul.

When the Ottoman Empire fell in 1922 we had a mortal wound. There was no successor. But we are told that the mortal wound will be healed and the world will marvel. This 7th Beast was Islamic, and the 8th beast is (or will be) Islamic. Now, don't feel bad, a lot of people don't catch this. They think that Daniel told us the 4th beast (ROME) would not only be the most terrible, but also the Last Beast. But that isn't what Daniel says at all.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kingsWho shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;


We see that 10 kings (or Kingdoms) will arise from Rome and another horn will arise. This happens after Rome is gone. The least beast, the 8th are of the previous 7 meaning they are of Satan and they are pagan, worshiping a foreign god in this case - ALLAH.

The final ten kingdom nation is made up of the Roman empire, and the other 3 heads of the beasts in Daniel 7 combined.



Notice the final beast made up of the ten kingdoms represented by the feet with its 10 toes represent the mixture of the nations as shown by Revelation 13. It is a combined of the Roman empire (Iron) mixed with the other kingdoms.....
 

john832

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I beg to differ. Nothing in the Bible that I am aware of points to the Roman Empire rising again. Daniel identifies 4 Beast Empires, right? They were:

Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Rome being the most terrible.

John saw 8 Beast empires:

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Ottoman Empire, and the final one not identified.

If we put what Daniel and John saw we have these 7.

1) Egypt, 2) Assyria, 3) Babylon, 4) Medo-Persia, 5) Greece, 6) Rome, 7) Ottoman Empire

The above were continuous meaning one replaced the other without break. The Ottoman Empire replaced the last of Rome which was the Eastern Roman Empire AKA the Byzantine Empire headquartered at Constantinople which of course was named after Roman Constantine and now called Istanbul.

When the Ottoman Empire fell in 1922 we had a mortal wound. There was no successor. But we are told that the mortal wound will be healed and the world will marvel. This 7th Beast was Islamic, and the 8th beast is (or will be) Islamic. Now, don't feel bad, a lot of people don't catch this. They think that Daniel told us the 4th beast (ROME) would not only be the most terrible, but also the Last Beast. But that isn't what Daniel says at all.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kingsWho shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;


We see that 10 kings (or Kingdoms) will arise from Rome and another horn will arise. This happens after Rome is gone. The least beast, the 8th are of the previous 7 meaning they are of Satan and they are pagan, worshiping a foreign god in this case - ALLAH.
Neither you nor Joel Richardson are correct here.
 

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The final ten kingdom nation is made up of the Roman empire, and the other 3 heads of the beasts in Daniel 7 combined.



Notice the final beast made up of the ten kingdoms represented by the feet with its 10 toes represent the mixture of the nations as shown by Revelation 13. It is a combined of the Roman empire (Iron) mixed with the other kingdoms.....
Can you identify the 10 other nations that rose up from and replaced Rome?
 

john832

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Can you identify the 10 other nations that rose up from and replaced Rome?
No, because they did not. The ten nations band together at the time of the end and give their power to the Beast for a very short period of time during the 3-1/2 years...

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Same as the ten toes on Nebuchadnezzar's image.

There are seven resurrections of the Holy Roman Empire...

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The final resurrection has ten kings and are led by the Beast.
 

Jackson123

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We are talking about the future my friend. Who is the future last Babylon?? Is it the Catholics or the Islamist?

Babylon does not equal AntiChrist

I do find it ironic that in the past Catholics blame Jews for Christ's crucifixion when it was the Romans who actually carried out the act. I also find it sad that many Christians still harbor ill will towards Jews in general because of the part their religious leaders played in the Cross. They forget the tens of thousands of every day common Jew who followed Christ, believed in Him and belonged to the early Jewish churches. Instead, they lump the whole nation in as sinners thinking that the entire Jewish nation missed their Messiah which isn't true.

As for Mystery Babylon the Great - It is no mystery any longer. It is Islam. Priests are not going around cutting off heads of Christians and Muslims who will not follow ISIS - ISIS is doing this. It is ISIS threatening the Muslim and Jewish world and it this is the start of the end. ISIS is the beginning of the final BEAST and ISLAM is riding this beast. There is NO military group of nations fighting a Catholic Holy War my friend, nor will there be again.

This "AntiChrist" causes people to set up an image to this beast. He then makes this image come alive. He then causes people to "worship" this image of this ISLAM Beast, take it's mark, its name or the number of its name. Whoever refuses to worship the Image of this Islamic Beast will be killed.

The number of this Islamic Beast is "666." John was told to write down what he saw in the vision. This is what he wrote...



These symbols mean....



The Mark of the BEAST ISIS is being worn on foreheads right now!!!





Since the final Beast is a group of Islamic Terrorists which will be joined by nations such as Turkey and since the will hate their own religion ISLAM as followed by the Arab Kings, they will destroy MECCA and take the wealth of Saudi Arabia and other rich Arab Nations - Since we know this, should we think that the "AntiChrist" is Catholic?

Do you think the Pope is going to forsake his 1.2 Billion Catholics and go take over ISLAM so he can control their 1.5 Billion followers so he can then wage a holy war against Christians, including his fellow Catholics, Jewish and Muslims who do not live under Sharia Law? That's a little on the wild speculation front my friend. Instead, think ARAB leader who appears peaceful who comes from where John was at the time he wrote his 3 epistles (Turkey).

It will be none other than Satan himself. Satan is the Man of Sin. Satan is the "AntiChrist" come as a man. There is only one entity already sentenced to Perdition and that is Satan. So, the Son of Perdition is Satan come as a man just as the Son of God was/is Christ come as a man.



Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

[SUP]12[/SUP] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[SUP]13[/SUP] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[SUP]14[/SUP] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

read brother John post.

Antichrist is like a lamb but speak like a dragon/ deceiver.

Muslim leader not like a lamb. Pretend a lamb/Christ but not.

It come from within but not one of us.

Muslim not come from within/not like a lamb/Christ. everybody know muslim is not christian.

And Pope is deceiver, said Muslim is in the plan of salvation, Atheist go to heaven etc.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

[SUP]12[/SUP] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[SUP]13[/SUP] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[SUP]14[/SUP] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

read brother John post.

Antichrist is like a lamb but speak like a dragon/ deceiver.

Muslim leader not like a lamb. Pretend a lamb/Christ but not.

It come from within but not one of us.

Muslim not come from within/not like a lamb/Christ. everybody know muslim is not christian.

And Pope is deceiver, said Muslim is in the plan of salvation, Atheist go to heaven etc.

This beast is the false prophet, not the antichrist !!!
 
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Sophia

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I'm seeing a lot of random shots in the dark. Nothing but newspaper prophecy.
You guys act like you have dominion over the Word of prophecy, but you have no submission to it, and are just speaking hollow powerless assumptions.
This isn't to everyone, but to most. A few have made good points, and a very few have made good points while keeping a right attitude in regard to Scripture and our position in Christ and as His ambassadors and stewards.
 
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I find it interesting that Plainword brought up this point about ISIS...

I'm curious if there any aware of who that name "ISIS" belongs to in relation to Babylon.
Look it up and do some research, you might just be surprised.