Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?
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Read this verse alone, could be. In this scenario, Pope as false prophet behind ISIS, finance, and organized, via CIA or other country.
But if we remember what John said, that antichrist come from within, mean Pope is antichrist.
[SUP]12[/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
If we combine those 2 verses:
1. antichrist come from within,
2. he exercise power like a beast before him,
It could be that when Pope in power, the first beast not in power anymore.
If the first and second beast in power on the second half of tribulation, than there will be 2 president in power.
so if ISIS leader is Antichrist than violate what John said, he come from within.
But if we remember what John said, that antichrist come from within, mean Pope is antichrist.
[SUP]12[/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
If we combine those 2 verses:
1. antichrist come from within,
2. he exercise power like a beast before him,
It could be that when Pope in power, the first beast not in power anymore.
If the first and second beast in power on the second half of tribulation, than there will be 2 president in power.
so if ISIS leader is Antichrist than violate what John said, he come from within.
K
I don't believe ISIS is the antichrist.
I do not see eye to eye with Plainword on this subject, as I believe ISIS is green horse, 200 million man army from the Euphrates river area of Revelation 9:16, and mystery Babylon. The part of ISIS being mystery Babylon is about as far as I agree with Plainword. This is because the main Islamic capital is Mecca in Saudi Arabia, and Mecca has a meaning of mother. Which is one description of Babylon, Mother of all Harlots.
Babylon gets destroyed by the man of sin and the ten nation revised Roman empire in Revelation 17:16.
So the way I look at it is that the antichrist has to destroy Islam so his true one world religion can thrive, lead by the pope aka false prophet.
Let me show you something the two horns represents, as it stands for an apostate christianity (catholic) mixed with another false religion (muslim). The pope is allowing Christians and Muslims to worship together.
K
The first beast is a combination of all the beast kingdoms of Daniel 7, which part of it is the revised Roman empire nations.
Revelation 13:5 is the antichrist that leads this first beast made up of those nations. So it is a total combining of the nations with its leader. The second beast is the false prophet that leads the world in false religion to worship him. The Roman empire has always had one political leader and one religious leader, and the end time renewed system will be no different.
Revelation 13:5 is the antichrist that leads this first beast made up of those nations. So it is a total combining of the nations with its leader. The second beast is the false prophet that leads the world in false religion to worship him. The Roman empire has always had one political leader and one religious leader, and the end time renewed system will be no different.
Interesting.
It raise 3 question.
1. The second beast give the power to first beast. Mean Pope give power to the leader of combination ISIS and roman empire.
Who is going to be the leader? Catholic or Muslim?
2. How long it the first beast in power? 3,5 years or 7 years.
3. Pope also have political power. As what? Leader of NWO or vice leader for Antichrist?
It raise 3 question.
1. The second beast give the power to first beast. Mean Pope give power to the leader of combination ISIS and roman empire.
Who is going to be the leader? Catholic or Muslim?
2. How long it the first beast in power? 3,5 years or 7 years.
3. Pope also have political power. As what? Leader of NWO or vice leader for Antichrist?
I believe The antichrist in the end time will be the ruler of the world.
He have great authority
The first beast have great authority, and the second beast have the great authority like the first beast.
Mean when the second beast in power the first beast not in power anymore.
The first beast have authority for the whole world.
The second beast have the same authority like the beast before him. Mean have authority for the whole world.
If the first beast still rule the world, mean they share the authority, mean the authority of second beast not equal to the beast before.
The second beast must come from within/look like christian but not. revelation 13 confirm the second beast like a lamb but speak like dragon.
Like christian but not.
So I believe second beast is Antichrist. Prophet not ruler.
Second beast is religious leader and political leader like Cesar Constantine.
He have great authority
The first beast have great authority, and the second beast have the great authority like the first beast.
Mean when the second beast in power the first beast not in power anymore.
The first beast have authority for the whole world.
The second beast have the same authority like the beast before him. Mean have authority for the whole world.
If the first beast still rule the world, mean they share the authority, mean the authority of second beast not equal to the beast before.
The second beast must come from within/look like christian but not. revelation 13 confirm the second beast like a lamb but speak like dragon.
Like christian but not.
So I believe second beast is Antichrist. Prophet not ruler.
Second beast is religious leader and political leader like Cesar Constantine.
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Yup, eat least in political sense, he has all the power the beast before him, plus more power of miracle etc.
12[/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Yup, eat least in political sense, he has all the power the beast before him, plus more power of miracle etc.
12[/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Yes, you are on the right track. There are/will be 10 nations replacing the Ottoman Empire. Do you agree that the Ottoman Empire was the 7th Beast Kingdom that John saw? I submit to you that this has already happened.
Ah, but the 7 heads are not resurrections of the Holy Roman Empire. These are the same 7 beasts that John saw. Daniel saw 4 of them. They have nothing to do with literal mountains although it is often said that Rome, Jerusalem and MECCA all sit on 7 mountains which is nothing more than another bizarre coincidence.
Ah, but the 7 heads are not resurrections of the Holy Roman Empire. These are the same 7 beasts that John saw. Daniel saw 4 of them. They have nothing to do with literal mountains although it is often said that Rome, Jerusalem and MECCA all sit on 7 mountains which is nothing more than another bizarre coincidence.
They don't replace Rome as the Roman empire is not nor has it ever been just Rome.
The 10 Nations — Fulfilled Prophecy
The 10 Nations — Fulfilled Prophecy
John clearly saw Rome as the Beast that "was" during his lifetime. But John saw a 7th Beast and also an 8th Beast.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Besides, we need to keep our definitions straight. The horns are not nations or kingdoms, they are kings!! ...meaning they are people/leaders. They don't have a kingdom as of yet, so clearly they are not nations. Twice we are told this.
Dan 7:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
Rev 17:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
So what we see is a short period of time when 10 leaders, without a kingdom, will receive authority for one hour (short time frame) to be kings with the beast. So let's look for leaders who are not yet kings working for the Beast and waging war against Saints.
This to me sounds a lot like terrorist groups in our today context.
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So who did we decide the whore is? It could be said that all religions stemmed from Babylon. As Ive studied saturn worship, ive come to the conclusion that every religion worships Satan/Lucifer under different names. Most people belong to the religions for the masses: Catholicism, Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Scientology, the Semitic religions, the Egyptian/Greek/Roman religions etc. But the people behind all these religions and the people that "control the world" actually directly worship Saturn/Satan/Lucifer. All your secret societies of "enlightened" people which have the "secret" knowledge all throughout history. Those who do the will of Satan.
All hystory of christianity, it was known that the Third Temple (on Moria mount) will be rebuild by antichrist.
And that is the reason why jews will proclaim the man of sin as Messiah (=Moshiah=Christ).
And revelation reflects very clearly that false prophet is a person (niether false religion nor political system could be cast into the lake of fire).
If we look by whom the jews expect to Moshiah to be brought in Jerusalem, we will see clearly false prophet is fake Elijah prophet (who only in the scriptures exactly performed the fire-downing).
Only mentally blind could suppose Antichrist be tied with moslems (and accociate his kingdom with islamic khaliphat) =Jews never proclaim whosoever moslem as Moshiah.
Babylon is real Great City and real Christian Church at same time. And it is not Rome - it is Moscow.
Russia will motherland of both beasts the antichrist and false Elijah.
Any false religion which does not recognize God the Father as Creator of all things and His son, Jesus as the Messiah is idol worship which of course is of Satan. However, there is only one MOTHER of all False Religions and that religion is ISLAM. ISLAM is the single largest religion in the world and it is FALSE.
Mystery Babylon is definitely not Catholic. Such an idea is utter nonsense. Catholics don't go around beheading people who aren't Catholic.
Mystery Babylon is definitely not Catholic. Such an idea is utter nonsense. Catholics don't go around beheading people who aren't Catholic.
Show me a passage that says the "AntiChrist" comes claiming to be Christ. He doesn't. The only deception the "AntiChrist" does to the Jews is a fake peace treaty that he breaks and then attacks them.
The "AntiChrist" AKA "Man of Sin", AKA "King of the North", AKA "Beast from the Sea", AKA "King of Tyre" is Satan come as a Man. Satan does not come claiming to be Christ. There will be those who think Satan is Christ having returned and there will be Muslims who think he is the 12th Imam. People will think Satan is what they have been waiting for but that doesn't mean Satan claims to be these different entities.
Satan doesn't want to fool people into thinking he is Christ at all. He wants people to think he is above everything!!! Satan wants people to think he is above Christ and above Allah and that the real God is a fake so that only he is worshiped and only he is the divine creator of all things. We don't have to guess about this. We are told this!!
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. [SUP]37 [/SUP]He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
Paul affirms Daniel:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Now, pay attention to what Christ himself says:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
Notice it is people talking telling other people that Christ is here. It isn't the Man of Sin saying it. What we have is Satan doing miracles and telling the world that he (Satan) is above everything that everyone has been worshiping. Satan will claim to be what all the religions have been waiting for - above all called God so that he is GOD, not Christ.
But Satan goes further. He tells people to follow the BEAST of the SEA which we know is ISLAMIC terrorists who have been killing fellow Muslims and Christians. Satan orders the extinction of Christians and those who will not worship the first BEAST (ISLAM).
The "AntiChrist" AKA "Man of Sin", AKA "King of the North", AKA "Beast from the Sea", AKA "King of Tyre" is Satan come as a Man. Satan does not come claiming to be Christ. There will be those who think Satan is Christ having returned and there will be Muslims who think he is the 12th Imam. People will think Satan is what they have been waiting for but that doesn't mean Satan claims to be these different entities.
Satan doesn't want to fool people into thinking he is Christ at all. He wants people to think he is above everything!!! Satan wants people to think he is above Christ and above Allah and that the real God is a fake so that only he is worshiped and only he is the divine creator of all things. We don't have to guess about this. We are told this!!
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. [SUP]37 [/SUP]He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
Paul affirms Daniel:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Now, pay attention to what Christ himself says:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
Notice it is people talking telling other people that Christ is here. It isn't the Man of Sin saying it. What we have is Satan doing miracles and telling the world that he (Satan) is above everything that everyone has been worshiping. Satan will claim to be what all the religions have been waiting for - above all called God so that he is GOD, not Christ.
But Satan goes further. He tells people to follow the BEAST of the SEA which we know is ISLAMIC terrorists who have been killing fellow Muslims and Christians. Satan orders the extinction of Christians and those who will not worship the first BEAST (ISLAM).
I always thought that the Man of Sin aka the Son of Perdition or the false prophet ....was Muhammed?
Part of the whole, Islam is the first beast of Rev 13?
13-14 hundred years old now, and billions of followers throughout its dark history?
John 17:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[SUP][b][/SUP] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
The Abrahamic covenant, mentioned at the time of Jesus/cross.
Ismael /Issac/Abraham/seeds were kept with this covenant, EXCEPT Muhammed, (the son of perdition)
....who they believe, can be linked to Ismael.
The Quran states this, and believes Muhammed to be the "one", (and of Ismael and Abraham's seed)
Islam----Hidden in plain sight.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4?--Muhammed fits the description completely.
There is no way another "man" will accomplish what took Muhammed 1400 years to...... in just under a decade.
3 1/3 years......7 years?
Kenneth---Islam (Mecca?) is covered by the first beast, Son Of Perdition, Man of Sin, the False Prophet, the Kaaba Stone, spiritual marks, the Quran, the number of "a man", 666 --being the number of the Quran....etc.
That was plenty.
Like Sophia said, Babylon the Great, is about other filth that has dominated the planet.
He has to cover all of mans downfalls.
Part of the whole, Islam is the first beast of Rev 13?
13-14 hundred years old now, and billions of followers throughout its dark history?
John 17:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[SUP][b][/SUP] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
The Abrahamic covenant, mentioned at the time of Jesus/cross.
Ismael /Issac/Abraham/seeds were kept with this covenant, EXCEPT Muhammed, (the son of perdition)
....who they believe, can be linked to Ismael.
The Quran states this, and believes Muhammed to be the "one", (and of Ismael and Abraham's seed)
Islam----Hidden in plain sight.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4?--Muhammed fits the description completely.
There is no way another "man" will accomplish what took Muhammed 1400 years to...... in just under a decade.
3 1/3 years......7 years?
Kenneth---Islam (Mecca?) is covered by the first beast, Son Of Perdition, Man of Sin, the False Prophet, the Kaaba Stone, spiritual marks, the Quran, the number of "a man", 666 --being the number of the Quran....etc.
That was plenty.
Like Sophia said, Babylon the Great, is about other filth that has dominated the planet.
He has to cover all of mans downfalls.
K
The thing is we must take all prophecy into account, and when you go back to Daniel 2 and 7 we can see that the Roman empire still is part of the end times, as the legs of Iron is the Roman empire. And in the 10 toes, which are represented by the ten kingdoms or ten kings (ten horns) as the iron mixed with the clay. So it is a combined effort, as the other beasts from Daniel 7 are also combined with these in Revelation 13.
That is why this grouping is different then those before, as they all came and ruled at separate times but in the end times they will all be together as one. Plus to know where the man of sin comes from Daniel 9:26 tells us;
Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
What people destroyed the temple in 70 AD ?
It was the Romans, so by this prophecy in Daniel the prince (man of sin) will come from within them, and he and his false prophet who are two separate individuals, will take this revised Roman empire against Saudi Arabia and Mecca and destroy her.