Who is GOD.......?

[charisenexcelcis]

JOHN 14:8-11
PHILIP ASKS JESUS SHEW US THE FATHER
JESUS SAYS TO PHILIP
HAVE.......I.......BEEN WITH YOU SO LONG YOU DO NOT ........KNOW ME...?
WHEN YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU SEE ME WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER
I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME

JOHN 10:30
JESUS SAYS..........I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE
OR
THE WORD THAT GOD SPEAKS ARE THE SAME

COLOSSIANS 2:9
IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD BODY

In John 14:8-11 and John 10:30 he stops short of saying he is the Father, even though he had no problem claiming to be God.
Colossians 2:9 The fulness of the Godhead is certainly a statement of the diety of Jesus, but again Jesus is not refered to as God the Father. By the way, what in your opinion did Jesus empty Himself of in Philippians 2:7?

 

[livingbygrace]

FOR THE WORD OF GOD
AND GOD.......... ARE ONE
BECAUSE
THEY ARE THE SAME

THE FACT
MANY CHRISTIANS ARE NOT IN ONE MIND
IS BECAUSE
THEY RELY
UPON THEIR OWN KNOWLEDGE
RATHER
THAN WHAT GOD TELLS THEM WHEN THEY ARE ALONE
FOR
YOU CAN PICK ANY BOOK UP AND READ WORDS
AND WORDS HAVE MANY MEANINGS
BUT
UNTIL THE AUTHOR OF THE WORDS
REVEAL THE TRUE MEANING
TO YOU
THEN WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW
IS JUST WHAT YOU READ IN BLACK AND WHITE
THERE IS
HEAD KNOWLEDGE
AND GOD KNOWLEDGE
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIVE BY.......?

So if Christians were of one mind they would be one as Jesus is one with His Father. Thank you for that answer

 

[joint-heir]

As I said. Nowhere in the NT does it say that Jesus is God the Father.

For in Him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

The Godhead being the Father, and His Spirit resides in Jesus

I have answered your other scriptures before.
Point 1 Heb1:3

Point 2 I mentioned a few minutes ago. But I am afraid we must agree to disagree. Paul was explicit in 1Cor15:24-28. I can be no more explicit than that

I AGREE TO DISAGREE
THAT IS NO PROBLEM
I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE
BUT
I WILL SAY THIS MUCH
I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE OR WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN THRU OR GOING THRU
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MAKES YOU.......YOU
I CAN ONLY ANSWER ABOUT ME, MYSELF, AND I
BUT
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE
BY GOING TO GOD
IN AN OPEN MIND
AND ASKING HIM
IF TRINITY IS FALSE
THEN SHOW ME

GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION
THAT IS SATAN'S POSITION

MAY GOD KEEP AND BLESS YOU

 

[joint-heir]

In John 14:8-11 and John 10:30 he stops short of saying he is the Father, even though he had no problem claiming to be God.
Colossians 2:9 The fulness of the Godhead is certainly a statement of the diety of Jesus, but again Jesus is not refered to as God the Father. By the way, what in your opinion did Jesus empty Himself of in Philippians 2:7?

PHILIPPIANS 2:7
IS EVERYTHING I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING

JESUS
IS THE SPOKEN ..............WORD.............OF GOD
GOD SPOKE HIMSELF INTO A FLESHLY EXISTENCE
FOR
ONLY GOD COULD MAKE HIS OWNSELF

2:7 IS CLEARLY THE WORD OF GOD BEING CREATED INTO FLESH
IN THE FASHION
BY WHICH GOD WANTED HIMSELF
TO DWELL AMONG HIS OWN CREATION

 

[charisenexcelcis]

PHILIPPIANS 2:7
IS EVERYTHING I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING

JESUS
IS THE SPOKEN ..............WORD.............OF GOD
GOD SPOKE HIMSELF INTO A FLESHLY EXISTENCE
FOR
ONLY GOD COULD MAKE HIS OWNSELF

2:7 IS CLEARLY THE WORD OF GOD BEING CREATED INTO FLESH
IN THE FASHION
BY WHICH GOD WANTED HIMSELF
TO DWELL AMONG HIS OWN CREATION

What did Jesus empty Himself of when He became flesh?

 

[joint-heir]

So if Christians were of one mind they would be one as Jesus is one with His Father. Thank you for that answer

TAKE IT POSITIVELY BROTHER
AS I SAID
NONE OF US KNOW THE SPECIFICS
WE ONLY KNOW
WHAT IS REVEALED UNTO US
AND MANY TIMES
I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE COME TO ME AND ASK
HOW IS IT YOU SEEM TO LIVE A GREAT LIFE AND ARE SOO BLESSED
WHEN YOU ARE IN YOUR SITUATION
I REPLY
BECAUSE
I DO NOT SAY OR MAKE A MOVE
UNTIL I FEEL GOD
OR HEAR GOD
TELLING ME WHAT TO DO OR SAY

IN JESUS' OWN WORDS
NEVER
HAVE YOUR ANSWERS PRACTICED OR MEMORIZED
ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT
TO ANSWER FOR YOU

 

[MyBagsRPacked]

TAKE IT POSITIVELY BROTHER
AS I SAID
NONE OF US KNOW THE SPECIFICS
WE ONLY KNOW
WHAT IS REVEALED UNTO US
AND MANY TIMES
I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE COME TO ME AND ASK
HOW IS IT YOU SEEM TO LIVE A GREAT LIFE AND ARE SOO BLESSED
WHEN YOU ARE IN YOUR SITUATION
I REPLY
BECAUSE
I DO NOT SAY OR MAKE A MOVE
UNTIL I FEEL GOD
OR HEAR GOD
TELLING ME WHAT TO DO OR SAY

IN JESUS' OWN WORDS
NEVER
HAVE YOUR ANSWERS PRACTICED OR MEMORIZED
ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT
TO ANSWER FOR YOU

Can I just say, respectfully, that when you lock your caps, it is perceived as yelling. People will never listen to yelling....

 

[joint-heir]

What did Jesus empty Himself of when He became flesh?

SHOWS YOU JUST HOW SMART GOD IS AND HOW FOOLISH WE REALLY ARE

GOD SPOKE JESUS IN A FORM
THAT WAS NOT EQUAL UNTO GOD
ALTHOUGH
HE WAS STILL GOD

GOD PROVED MAN TO BE WRONG
THINKING THE MESSIAH WOULD COME IN FULL GLORY AND POWER

OF COURSE HIND-SIGHT IS 20/20
HAD THEY KNOWN THE REAL PURPOSE OF GOD SENDING HIMSELF AS A LOWLY NOTHING
TO DIE FOR US AND FOR OUR SALVATION
THEY WOULD HAVE
NEVER KILLED HIM

 

[charisenexcelcis]

SHOWS YOU JUST HOW SMART GOD IS AND HOW FOOLISH WE REALLY ARE

GOD SPOKE JESUS IN A FORM
THAT WAS NOT EQUAL UNTO GOD
ALTHOUGH
HE WAS STILL GOD

GOD PROVED MAN TO BE WRONG
THINKING THE MESSIAH WOULD COME IN FULL GLORY AND POWER

OF COURSE HIND-SIGHT IS 20/20
HAD THEY KNOWN THE REAL PURPOSE OF GOD SENDING HIMSELF AS A LOWLY NOTHING
TO DIE FOR US AND FOR OUR SALVATION
THEY WOULD HAVE
NEVER KILLED HIM

And so your answer would be that He emptied Himself of His full power and glory?
I ask because the entire universe is held together by God's power and that power is exerted at the will of God. Do you believe that while Jesus was on the earth that He was holding the universe together by His power?

 

[joint-heir]

And so your answer would be that He emptied Himself of His full power and glory?
I ask because the entire universe is held together by God's power and that power is exerted at the will of God. Do you believe that while Jesus was on the earth that He was holding the universe together by His power?

HE DID NOT COMPLETELY REMOVE ALL OF HIS POWER
FOR
HE STILL
HEALED THE SICK
RAISED THE DEAD
CAST OUT DEMONS
WALKED ON WATER
MADE THE SEAS OBEY HIM
TURNED WATER INTO WINE
DIED FOR US
RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD
DEFEATED SATAN
DEFEATED THE GRAVE
WHICH GOES TO SHOW US JUST WHO GOD REALLY IS
HE CAN DO ANYTHING
WHILE HIS WORD WAS FLESH ON EARTH DYING FOR US
HIS POWER WAS STILL KEEPING THE UNIVERSE IN TACT

 

[joint-heir]

OK BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST
I MUST GO
IM PREACHING IN A REVIVAL AND NEED REST AND BIBLE TIME
AND MOTEL ROOMS ARE THE HARDEST TO GET COMFORTABLE

MAY GOD KEEP AND BLESS YOU ALL

SEE YOU LATER ON

 

[MahogonySnail]

I MYSELF AM GREATER THAN MY WORDS

(JUST LIKE THE FATHER SPIRIT AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH

WHAT YOU ARE NOT COMPREHENDING
GODS WORDS BECAME LIFE
BUT
THEY ARE STILL THE SAME PERSON OR SAME GOD)
FOR MY WORDS COULD NOT EXIST UNTIL I SPOKE THEM
WE ARE STILL THE SAME THOUGH

The Trinity does not deny that the three persons together constitute "God". But it is error to claim they are all one and the same.

ITS NOT AN EXPLANATION

IT IS IN FACT
A FINITE UNDERSTANDING OF WHO GOD IS
FOR I MYSELF
DID NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE LIES ABOUT TRINITY
BECAUSE I WAS NEVER AROUND IT
WHAT I WAS FACED WITH THOUGH
WAS
WHEN I FINALLY SAID TO GOD
NOT MY WILL BUT YOUR WILL
YOU HAVE CALLED ME TO PREACH AND LEAD
BUT
IF I AM GOING TO DO THIS GOD
I WILL GO BOLDLY WHEREVER IT IS YOU LEAD ME TO
BUT PLEASE
SHOW ME
ARE YOU ONE OR 3
AND HOW I EXPLAINED IT TO YOU MAHOGONY SNAIL
IS HOW GOD HIMSELF
EXPLAINED IT TO ME

That's nice but it doesn't explain how Jesus was communicating to the Father in heaven as scripture shows..he talks to Himself does he? Most people have enough common sense to know that the Father, Spirit and Christ... are three separate persons.

YOU ARE LIVING BY TRADITIONS

AND BY YOUR OTHER FORUMS YOU WALK IN THE PAST OF WHAT OTHERS ACCOMPLISHED
AND NEVER OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED
SO THIS WOULD BE THAT GOD TO YOU IS A RELIGION
ONCE
GOD BECOMES A RELATIONSHIP
ONE ON ONE
THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH
AND NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE
TO ALWAYS
FOLLOWING TRADITION AND A LIES

Why re-invent the wheel? God has revealed Himself to us by His prophets, the apostles, the scripture, and past faithful Christians. To claim that none of these have a relationship, in fact to claim that God to me is a religion and not relationship is very poor...who are you to judge? You're just one of many people on the fringes..who claim that there belief and there way is the only way...and hold to specific erroneous doctrines.

Oneness Pentecostal... they believe you have to speak in tongues as evidenced of the infilling of the Spirit to be saved, and believe that you have to be baptised by full immersion and using the right formula "in the name of Jesus". It's a subtle form of heresy but heresy nonetheless, and would be condemned by the apostle Paul Himself who taught not to accept anyone who preaches another Gospel.

Do you believe that those baptised in the Trinitarian formula are going to hell? Simple question, please answer when you are able.

 

[joint-heir]

And so your answer would be that He emptied Himself of His full power and glory?
I ask because the entire universe is held together by God's power and that power is exerted at the will of God. Do you believe that while Jesus was on the earth that He was holding the universe together by His power?[/quote



I SEE
THIS IS THE PERFECT RESPONSE
ONLY
A TRINITARIAN COULD SAY

SO BASICALLY
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD
TO BE ON EARTH AND KEEPING THE UNIVERSE TOGETHER ALL AT THE SAME TIME

GLAD TO SEE
YOU DO NOT REALLY WORSHIP AND BELIEVE IN GOD
FOR HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD
YOU YOURSELF
PUT LIMITATIONS ON.......?


MY GOD
SPOKE
AND THE WORD CREATED THE UNIVERSE
AND THE WORD CREATED THE EARTH
AND THE WORD CREATED LIFE
AND THE WORD WATCHED OVER HIS CREATION
AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH
AND THE WORD DIED FOR OUR SALVATION
AND THE WORD IS BACK WITH THE ONE WHO SPOKE
THEY ARE THE SAME
ONE SPOKE ONE BECAME THE WORD THAT WAS SPOKEN
MY GOD
CAN DO ANYTHING

 

[charisenexcelcis]

And so your answer would be that He emptied Himself of His full power and glory?
I ask because the entire universe is held together by God's power and that power is exerted at the will of God. Do you believe that while Jesus was on the earth that He was holding the universe together by His power?[/quote



I SEE
THIS IS THE PERFECT RESPONSE
ONLY
A TRINITARIAN COULD SAY

SO BASICALLY
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD
TO BE ON EARTH AND KEEPING THE UNIVERSE TOGETHER ALL AT THE SAME TIME

GLAD TO SEE
YOU DO NOT REALLY WORSHIP AND BELIEVE IN GOD
FOR HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD
YOU YOURSELF
PUT LIMITATIONS ON.......?


MY GOD
SPOKE
AND THE WORD CREATED THE UNIVERSE
AND THE WORD CREATED THE EARTH
AND THE WORD CREATED LIFE
AND THE WORD WATCHED OVER HIS CREATION
AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH
AND THE WORD DIED FOR OUR SALVATION
AND THE WORD IS BACK WITH THE ONE WHO SPOKE
THEY ARE THE SAME
ONE SPOKE ONE BECAME THE WORD THAT WAS SPOKEN
MY GOD
CAN DO ANYTHING

You seem to say that he was emptying Himself of his full power--that is partially emptying Himself of His power and glory? Am I correct? (I did not say that you were saying that He fully emptied Himself of His power.)

 

[joint-heir]

The Trinity does not deny that the three persons together constitute "God". But it is error to claim they are all one and the same.








That's nice but it doesn't explain how Jesus was communicating to the Father in heaven as scripture shows..he talks to Himself does he? Most people have enough common sense to know that the Father, Spirit and Christ... are three separate persons.





Why re-invent the wheel? God has revealed Himself to us by His prophets, the apostles, the scripture, and past faithful Christians. To claim that none of these have a relationship, in fact to claim that God to me is a religion and not relationship is very poor...who are you to judge? You're just one of many people on the fringes..who claim that there belief and there way is the only way...and hold to specific erroneous doctrines.

Oneness Pentecostal... they believe you have to speak in tongues as evidenced of the infilling of the Spirit to be saved, and believe that you have to be baptised by full immersion and using the right formula "in the name of Jesus". It's a subtle form of heresy but heresy nonetheless, and would be condemned by the apostle Paul Himself who taught not to accept anyone who preaches another Gospel.

Do you believe that those baptised in the Trinitarian formula are going to hell? Simple question, please answer when you are able.

NO REINVENTIONS GOING ON AT ALL
IN FACT
IT IS ONLY YOUR LIMITATIONS
THAT YOU PUT ON GOD
THAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO KNOW GOD

GOD IS NOTHING LIKE YOU THINK
OR IN FACT
LIKE I THINK

GOD IS BEYOND OUR COMPREHENSION

BUT BOTTOM LINE

THE TERM FATHER IS ULTIMATE OVERSEER AND CREATOR
THE TERM WORD IS WHAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN FROM THE FATHER
HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND THE WORD SPOKEN BY THE FATHER
TO VIEW THIS AS 3 SEPARATE BEINGS OR PERSONS IS A FALACY
THEY ARE THE ONE SAME GOD
THEY ARE CLEARLY IN DIFFERENT ROLES
BUT THEY ARE FROM THE SAME BODY

MY BODY IS A UNIQUE MECHANISM
BUT
WITHOUT MY BRAIN TO FUNCTION THE MY HEART TO CIRCULATION I AM DEAD
YET
THESE CANNOT CLEARLY DEFINE ME
BUT
WHAT I SAY
AND WHAT MY SPIRIT RELAYS TO THE UNBELIEVER
DO DEFINE ME
THESE 2 FUNCTIONS
ARE CLEARLY SEPARATE BUT BOTH REPRESENT
AN EVIDENCE OF TESTIMONY TO THOSE WHO CAN SEE AND HEAR
BUT STILL
THEY
ARE ALL A PART OF MY BODY AND ME

YOU ONLY LIMIT YOURSELF WHEN YOU LIMIT GOD
AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN UNEDUCATED MINDS
BEGIN
WHEN YOU SPLIT ONE GOD
INTO 3 SEPARATE PARTS

 

[joint-heir]

You seem to say that he was emptying Himself of his full power--that is partially emptying Himself of His power and glory? Am I correct? (I did not say that you were saying that He fully emptied Himself of His power.)

THE SCRIPTURE SAID HE THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL TO GOD
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WAS NOT EQUAL
FOR HE MADE HIMSELF LOWLY
NOW
YOU ARE UPSETTING ME MR. IRS
BECAUSE THIS IS AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS
YOU ARE TWISITING THIS FOR PERSONAL GAIN
BUT HERE IS WHERE YOUR BUSTED

HAD JESUS MADE HIMSELF EQUAL AS GOD WHICH HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE
SINCE
HE IS GODS SPOKEN WORD MADE INTO FLESH
WHICH IS THE SAME PERSON
ONE SPEAKING THE WORDS
THE OTHER BEING
THE WORDS COMING TO LIFE
BUT HAD JESUS MADE HIMSELF EQUAL AS GOD
AND CAME TO EARTH
IN FULL GLORY AND POWER
NO ONE
NO ONE
NO ONE
WOULD HAVE CRUCIFIED HIM AND WE WOULD ALL STILL BE IN SIN

SINCE HE CAME THIS WAY
EVEN THE SO-CALLED RELIGEOUS EXPERTS
COULD NOT SEE THAT HE WAS GOD
ONLY 12 MIS-FIT MEN
WHO WERE MADE LIKE HE CAME TO US
COULD NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND
BUT
BECAME THE CONERSTONES BY WHICH
THE WORLD EVER KNEW JESUS WAS GOD

 

[HumbleSaint]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Hoy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:7-8

 

[joint-heir]

PRAISE GOD
PRAISE GOD
PRAISE GOD
PRAISE GOD
PRAISE GOD

ANOTHER WONDERFUL NIGHT OF REVIVAL
GOD IS AMAZING
OVER 500+ IN ATTENDANCE
60 GAVE THEIR LIVES TO GOD

THE ANGELS ARE DANCING

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AND TOMORROW IS STILL YET TO COME

JESUS
I GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE AND GLORY
HALLELUIAH

 

[joint-heir]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Hoy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:7-8

AMEN BROTHER
THIS IS JOHN THE YOUNGEST OF ALL JESUS' DISCIPLES WRITING
THIS IS HIS DESCRIPTION OF WHO JESUS IS
NOTICE
ON EARTH JESUS IS ...WATER - BLOOD -SPIRIT AND THESE 3 THINGS ONLY AGREE IN ONE
WHY...?
BECAUSE YOU MADE THE WORD OF GOD SPOKEN INTO FLESH TO DWELL UNATURALLY AND FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT TO BE EQUAL TO THE WATER AND BLOOD OF FLESH IS IMPOSSIBLE SO THEY CAN ONLY AGREE AS ONE
BUT
IN HEAVEN JESUS IS...FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST AND THESE 3 ARE ONE
WHY...?
BECAUSE THE WORD IS THE FATHERS SPOKEN LIFE AND THE HOLY GHOST IS THE DIVINE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND THE WORD WHICH MEANS ALL IN ALL THEY ARE THE THE SAME

 

[charisenexcelcis]

THE SCRIPTURE SAID HE THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL TO GOD
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WAS NOT EQUAL
FOR HE MADE HIMSELF LOWLY
NOW
YOU ARE UPSETTING ME MR. IRS
BECAUSE THIS IS AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS
YOU ARE TWISITING THIS FOR PERSONAL GAIN
BUT HERE IS WHERE YOUR BUSTED

HAD JESUS MADE HIMSELF EQUAL AS GOD WHICH HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE
SINCE
HE IS GODS SPOKEN WORD MADE INTO FLESH
WHICH IS THE SAME PERSON
ONE SPEAKING THE WORDS
THE OTHER BEING
THE WORDS COMING TO LIFE
BUT HAD JESUS MADE HIMSELF EQUAL AS GOD
AND CAME TO EARTH
IN FULL GLORY AND POWER
NO ONE
NO ONE
NO ONE
WOULD HAVE CRUCIFIED HIM AND WE WOULD ALL STILL BE IN SIN

SINCE HE CAME THIS WAY
EVEN THE SO-CALLED RELIGEOUS EXPERTS
COULD NOT SEE THAT HE WAS GOD
ONLY 12 MIS-FIT MEN
WHO WERE MADE LIKE HE CAME TO US
COULD NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND
BUT
BECAME THE CONERSTONES BY WHICH
THE WORLD EVER KNEW JESUS WAS GOD

My problem with this partial emptying is that the Godhead is diminished. When Jesus put aside, as I believe, His omniscience, His omnipotence, and His omnipresence, the Godhead was not diminished. This is one strength of the Trinity.
By the way, your attempt to intimidate me because of my decade with the I.R.S. will not succeed. If you are interested, I was a Tax Law Specialist with the Seattle District from 1985 to 1995. If you have any questions about the particular tax advantages available under the law for ministers, I would be happy to answer them. I was in ministry for seven years before, served in churches during my service with the IRS and have continued for the fifteen years since. I have been in Orofino for eleven years.