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livingbygrace said:
The word was God. God the Father refered to Jesus as God in Heb1:8, but still said He was Jesus God in the next verse. The word was with(beside)God The word is God.

Charisen is right. If ther Father Son and Holy Spirit are not three individual members the Bible must contain many misleading statements, or be a cryptic Bible. Why would God make it as such?
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THE WORD
CAN BE ANYWHERE YOU PUT IT

JUST MAKE A CALL TO ANYONE AND ANY PLACE
YOUR WORDS JUST WENT TO WHEREVER THAT PLACE WAS

THE FACT IS
JESUS WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD
WHO IS GOD
BECAUSE
WHENEVER GOD SPEAKS IT IS THRU HIS WORD
THUS
THEY ARE THE SAME
AND IRONICALLY
WHEN EVERYONE SAYS THAT JESUS WENT TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
JESUS HIMSELF SAYS
I GO TO THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER
HE IN FACT NEVER SAYS HE IS GOING TO RIGHT HAND OF GOD
FOR HE IS THE WORD OF GOD
WHICH MAKES HIM THE POWER OF GOD
 
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livingbygrace

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joint-heir said:
THE WORD
CAN BE ANYWHERE YOU PUT IT

JUST MAKE A CALL TO ANYONE AND ANY PLACE
YOUR WORDS JUST WENT TO WHEREVER THAT PLACE WAS

THE FACT IS
JESUS WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD
WHO IS GOD
BECAUSE
WHENEVER GOD SPEAKS IT IS THRU HIS WORD
THUS
THEY ARE THE SAME
AND IRONICALLY
WHEN EVERYONE SAYS THAT JESUS WENT TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
JESUS HIMSELF SAYS
I GO TO THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER
HE IN FACT NEVER SAYS HE IS GOING TO RIGHT HAND OF GOD
FOR HE IS THE WORD OF GOD
WHICH MAKES HIM THE POWER OF GOD
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And yet Jesus will be subject to God the Father after he has destroyed all, dominion, authority, and power. And he will reign until this has happened.
 
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joint-heir said:
THE WORD
CAN BE ANYWHERE YOU PUT IT

JUST MAKE A CALL TO ANYONE AND ANY PLACE
YOUR WORDS JUST WENT TO WHEREVER THAT PLACE WAS

THE FACT IS
JESUS WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD
WHO IS GOD
BECAUSE
WHENEVER GOD SPEAKS IT IS THRU HIS WORD
THUS
THEY ARE THE SAME
AND IRONICALLY
WHEN EVERYONE SAYS THAT JESUS WENT TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
JESUS HIMSELF SAYS
I GO TO THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER
HE IN FACT NEVER SAYS HE IS GOING TO RIGHT HAND OF GOD
FOR HE IS THE WORD OF GOD
WHICH MAKES HIM THE POWER OF GOD
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No, the power of God is the Holy Spirit. It was the Spirit that was the power for Jesus miracles, as he himself confirmed
 
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livingbygrace said:
No. The Father gave the Spirit to Jesus to send to us.

God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. Acts2:32&33
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YOU DO NOT SEND SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY YOU
SO THE WORD SENT WHAT WAS SPOKEN

THIS MEANS YOU SEND IT YOURSELF


PROOF HOLY GHOST IS JESUS
GALATIANS 4:6...And because ye are sons(WE ARE SONS OF GOD WHEN WE ACCEPT JESUS AND ARE BAPTIZED AND SAVED),
GOD hath sent forth the SPIRIT(NOTICE CAPITAL "S" INDICATING HOLY GHOST)
of his SON(JESUS - NOTICE THE CAPITAL "S"PIRIT(HOLY GHOST) IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS) into your hearts,
crying, ABBA FATHER.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
LETS LOOK AT THIS A BIT MORE CLOSELY

WHO IS SENDING THE HOLY GHOST TO US.......?
LUKE 24:49...JESUS SAYS I SEND THE PROMISE (HOLY GHOST) OF MY FATHER
JOHN 14:26...JESUS SAYS THE FATHER WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) IN MY NAME
JOHN 15:26...JESUS SAYS I WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) UNTO YOU
JOHN 16:7...JESUS SAYS I WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) UNTO YOU

3 OF 4 TIMES JESUS SAYS HE IS SENDING THE HOLY GHOST TO US
AND THE 4TH TIME
HE REFERS TO HIMSELF AS THE FATHER WHO IS SENDING US THE HOLY GHOST

I WOULD SUGGEST
USING ALL SCRIPTURES IN REFERENCE
BEFORE MAKING ANY POINT
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As the early fathers said, the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. This does not mitigate Jesus clearly speaking of himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as separate persons.
 
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livingbygrace said:
And yet Jesus will be subject to God the Father after he has destroyed all, dominion, authority, and power. And he will reign until this has happened.
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MY WORDS ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO ME FOR I SPAKE THEM

JESUS IS THE SPOKEN WORD
THAT MEANS
HE IS SUBJECT TO GOD WHO IS SPEAKING
BUT IT IS STILL GOD SPEAKING THE WORD
WHICH THE WORD THAT IS BEING SPOKEN
IS STILL GOD
 
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joint-heir said:
MY WORDS ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO ME FOR I SPAKE THEM

JESUS IS THE SPOKEN WORD
THAT MEANS
HE IS SUBJECT TO GOD WHO IS SPEAKING
BUT IT IS STILL GOD SPEAKING THE WORD
WHICH THE WORD THAT IS BEING SPOKEN
IS STILL GOD
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No. Paul says. Then the Son Himself will be suject to Him who put everything under Him.

Paul is diferentiating between two differant occasions when Jesus has returned to Heaven, if what you say is true, this could not be.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
As the early fathers said, the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. This does not mitigate Jesus clearly speaking of himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as separate persons.
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ALL YOU JUST SAID WAS
ALOT OF WORDS
TO MAKE ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU
OR
UNDERSTANDS THE WORD OF GOD
WOULD BE CONFUSED BY YOU
WHICH
I AM SURE
YOU GAINED THIS ABILITY
FROM THE IRS
CHASING THOSE
YOU WERE DOG HUNTING
TO CAPTURE
I WONDER
HOW MANY MIS-QUOTES
YOU GAVE TO THEM
FOR THEM TO BELIEVE AND COME FORTH
THAT YOU WERE REWARDED LATER AFTERWARDS
AFTER THEY REALIZED
YOU TRICKED THEM
 
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livingbygrace said:
No. Paul says. Then the Son Himself will be suject to Him who put everything under Him.

Paul is diferentiating between two differant occasions when Jesus has returned to Heaven, if what you say is true, this could not be.
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ONCE AGAIN

THE SON IS FLESH

THE WORD IS GOD

THE SON WHO IS FLESH IS SUBJECT TO THE WORD WHO IS GOD
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
ALL YOU JUST SAID WAS
ALOT OF WORDS
TO MAKE ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU
OR
UNDERSTANDS THE WORD OF GOD
WOULD BE CONFUSED BY YOU
WHICH
I AM SURE
YOU GAINED THIS ABILITY
FROM THE IRS
CHASING THOSE
YOU WERE DOG HUNTING
TO CAPTURE
I WONDER
HOW MANY MIS-QUOTES
YOU GAVE TO THEM
FOR THEM TO BELIEVE AND COME FORTH
THAT YOU WERE REWARDED LATER AFTERWARDS
AFTER THEY REALIZED
YOU TRICKED THEM
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If Jesus speaks in John 14:26 of himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as three persons, I am content to accept that.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
If Jesus speaks in John 14:26 of himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as three persons, I am content to accept that.
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WOW
YOU GOT 3 PEOPLE FROM THIS

I SEE
WHAT THAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY REVEALS

JESUS IS CLEARLY SAYING
THE CONFORTER
WHICH IS HIS SPIRIT
WILL COME TO YOU
SO YOU WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT I SAID TO YOU AS I LIVED WITH YOU
BUT AS I SHOWED IN THE OTHER 3 VERSES
JESUS IS THE WORD
THAT WILL BE SPOKEN FROM GOD
TO SEND
GOD's SPIRIT

I SEE IN THIS ONE VERSE

GOD THE FATHER
THE SPOKEN WORD OF GOD
GOD's HOLY SPIRIT
THEY ARE THE SAME GOD AND SAME PERSON IN SAME ONE BODY

I AM A PERSON
I SPEAK WORDS
MY SOUL LIVES FOREVER
WE ARE MADE EXACTLY IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
 
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joint-heir said:
WOW
YOU GOT 3 PEOPLE FROM THIS

I SEE
WHAT THAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY REVEALS

JESUS IS CLEARLY SAYING
THE CONFORTER
WHICH IS HIS SPIRIT
WILL COME TO YOU
SO YOU WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT I SAID TO YOU AS I LIVED WITH YOU
BUT AS I SHOWED IN THE OTHER 3 VERSES
JESUS IS THE WORD
THAT WILL BE SPOKEN FROM GOD
TO SEND
GOD's SPIRIT

I SEE IN THIS ONE VERSE

GOD THE FATHER
THE SPOKEN WORD OF GOD
GOD's HOLY SPIRIT
THEY ARE THE SAME GOD AND SAME PERSON IN SAME ONE BODY

I AM A PERSON
I SPEAK WORDS
MY SOUL LIVES FOREVER
WE ARE MADE EXACTLY IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
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When Jesus prayed to His Father in John17 He prayed.

That they may be one as we are one

He was speaking of Christians.

So how can you and I be one? Are we the same person? No

We can only be one inthe Spirt

That they may be one AS we are one
 
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livingbygrace said:
Once again, Paul is speaking concerning events when Jesus has returned to Heaven. He is not then flesh.
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AND JOHN
WHO WAS THE YOUNGEST OF ALL OF JESUS' DISCIPLES
WROTE IN 1 JOHN 5:6-7
HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT THE TRUE FUNCTIONS OF JESUS REALLY ARE
JEUS IS
ON EARTH = WATER - BLOOD - SPIRIT
IN HEAVEN = FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST
SO
THIS WOULD BE ALSO WHAT PAUL IS SPEAKING ABOUT AS JOHN HAS
CLEARLY
MADE POINT TO
 
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joint-heir said:
AND JOHN
WHO WAS THE YOUNGEST OF ALL OF JESUS' DISCIPLES
WROTE IN 1 JOHN 5:6-7
HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT THE TRUE FUNCTIONS OF JESUS REALLY ARE
JEUS IS
ON EARTH = WATER - BLOOD - SPIRIT
IN HEAVEN = FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST
SO
THIS WOULD BE ALSO WHAT PAUL IS SPEAKING ABOUT AS JOHN HAS
CLEARLY
MADE POINT TO
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Nowhere in the NT does it say that Jesus is God the Father. But many times it says that Jesus isn't.
 
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livingbygrace said:
When Jesus prayed to His Father in John17 He prayed.

That they may be one as we are one

He was speaking of Christians.

So how can you and I be one? Are we the same person? No

We can only be one inthe Spirt

That they may be one AS we are one
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FOR THE WORD OF GOD
AND GOD.......... ARE ONE
BECAUSE
THEY ARE THE SAME

THE FACT
MANY CHRISTIANS ARE NOT IN ONE MIND
IS BECAUSE
THEY RELY
UPON THEIR OWN KNOWLEDGE
RATHER
THAN WHAT GOD TELLS THEM WHEN THEY ARE ALONE
FOR
YOU CAN PICK ANY BOOK UP AND READ WORDS
AND WORDS HAVE MANY MEANINGS
BUT
UNTIL THE AUTHOR OF THE WORDS
REVEAL THE TRUE MEANING
TO YOU
THEN WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW
IS JUST WHAT YOU READ IN BLACK AND WHITE
THERE IS
HEAD KNOWLEDGE
AND GOD KNOWLEDGE
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIVE BY.......?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
WOW
YOU GOT 3 PEOPLE FROM THIS

I SEE
WHAT THAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY REVEALS

JESUS IS CLEARLY SAYING
THE CONFORTER
WHICH IS HIS SPIRIT
WILL COME TO YOU
SO YOU WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT I SAID TO YOU AS I LIVED WITH YOU
BUT AS I SHOWED IN THE OTHER 3 VERSES
JESUS IS THE WORD
THAT WILL BE SPOKEN FROM GOD
TO SEND
GOD's SPIRIT

I SEE IN THIS ONE VERSE

GOD THE FATHER
THE SPOKEN WORD OF GOD
GOD's HOLY SPIRIT
THEY ARE THE SAME GOD AND SAME PERSON IN SAME ONE BODY

I AM A PERSON
I SPEAK WORDS
MY SOUL LIVES FOREVER
WE ARE MADE EXACTLY IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
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This is one of many verses in which Jesus clearly speaks of His Father and/or the Holy Spirit as separate persons. If I say to you: When George comes by, whom my father will send with a note from me, he will remind you of what I told you. You will understand that I am a different person from George and that my father is a different person from both George and me. Jesus did not encode anything when He said that when the Helper comes, whom His Father sent in Jesus name, that same Holy Spirit would remind them of Jesus words. Three persons.
 
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livingbygrace said:
Nowhere in the NT does it say that Jesus is God the Father. But many times it says that Jesus isn't.
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JOHN 14:8-11
PHILIP ASKS JESUS SHEW US THE FATHER
JESUS SAYS TO PHILIP
HAVE.......I.......BEEN WITH YOU SO LONG YOU DO NOT ........KNOW ME...?
WHEN YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU SEE ME WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER
I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME

JOHN 10:30
JESUS SAYS..........I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE
OR
THE WORD THAT GOD SPEAKS ARE THE SAME

COLOSSIANS 2:9
IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD BODY
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
This is one of many verses in which Jesus clearly speaks of His Father and/or the Holy Spirit as separate persons. If I say to you: When George comes by, whom my father will send with a note from me, he will remind you of what I told you. You will understand that I am a different person from George and that my father is a different person from both George and me. Jesus did not encode anything when He said that when the Helper comes, whom His Father sent in Jesus name, that same Holy Spirit would remind them of Jesus words. Three persons.
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ONLY MAN CAN SEE 3 PEOPLE

GOD
CLEARLY SHOWS US
ONE GOD
IN 3 FUNCTIONS

I AM SORRY
YOU THINK THERE ARE 3 GODS RUNNING AROUND
THAT IS NOT BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE
I WOULD SAY
IF THERE WERE THAT MANY EQUAL GODS
SCRIPTURES WOULD HAVE SHOWED US
3 THRONES WITH 3 LIKENESS OF MEN UPON THEM
BUT
THIS IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE
AFTER 6000 YEARS OF HISTORY WITHIN THE BIBLE
IF THERE WERE 3 GODS
ONE OF THE MANY WRITERS
WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT
FOR GOD
IS THE SAME YESTERDAY - TODAY - AND FOREVER
AND I HAVE NEVER READ
WHERE
ADAM TO MALACHI
ANY OF THEM SPOKE ABOUT MORE THAN ONE GOD
IN WHOM THEY WORSHIPPED

JESUS IS GODS SPOKEN WORD BECOME FLESH
THEY ARE THE SAME
 
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joint-heir said:
JOHN 14:8-11
PHILIP ASKS JESUS SHEW US THE FATHER
JESUS SAYS TO PHILIP
HAVE.......I.......BEEN WITH YOU SO LONG YOU DO NOT ........KNOW ME...?
WHEN YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU SEE ME WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER
I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME

JOHN 10:30
JESUS SAYS..........I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE
OR
THE WORD THAT GOD SPEAKS ARE THE SAME

COLOSSIANS 2:9
IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD BODY
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As I said. Nowhere in the NT does it say that Jesus is God the Father.

For in Him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

The Godhead being the Father, and His Spirit resides in Jesus

I have answered your other scriptures before.
Point 1 Heb1:3

Point 2 I mentioned a few minutes ago. But I am afraid we must agree to disagree. Paul was explicit in 1Cor15:24-28. I can be no more explicit than that
 
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