Who Is Your Most Beloved Roman Catholic Saint To Pray To And Why??

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Do You Have a Special Beloved Roman Catholic Saint That You Pray To???

  • Yes,I Have One.

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Yes,I Have More Than One.

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • I Do Not Have One.

    Votes: 12 75.0%

  • Not Sure.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
dscherck

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cfultz3 said:
Perhaps, you should google this matter. It was around 1500 AD that they added these books. Keep in mind while you search that Christianity started with the Jews and not the Egyptians.
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I did google the matter.
Keep in mind, these books are considered canonical by the Oriental Orthodox, who parted ways from the Catholics around 451 AD, and by the Eastern Orthodox who parted ways from the Catholics around 1054AD. So, somehow, these books were considered canonical for at least 1000 years before they magically got added in the 1500s?
Does that make any sense?
 
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cfultz3

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dscherck said:
I did google the matter.
Keep in mind, these books are considered canonical by the Oriental Orthodox, who parted ways from the Catholics around 451 AD, and by the Eastern Orthodox who parted ways from the Catholics around 1054AD. So, somehow, these books were considered canonical for at least 1000 years before they magically got added in the 1500s?
Does that make any sense?
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What doesn't make sense is the Jews were entrusted with the Oracles of God, yet, you argue the Oriental and the Eastern Orthodox catholics accept them, so they are considered canonical. Perhaps, another search as to why the Jews, Jesus being a Jew Himself, did not accept them as God's word would be benefitual.
 
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megaman125

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There is nothing in the Bible that even SUGGESTS that we should be praying to dead saints, or anyone other than God. When Jesus died on the cross, the veil was torn, giving us an open communication line to God. Praying to dead saints diminishes what Jesus did on the cross.
 
Canadian36

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The question isn't who, it's why. Why are you praying to a saint. So stupid. Is a saint holding the universe in there hand? Is a saint inside every single atom in the universe? Is a saint something other than a dead man? Personally I think if you pray to a saint that saint is probably thinking, "why is this person so foolish??? Why are they praying to me and not to God?" Talk direct to God. He's not to busy to hear you. He wants to hear from you!!! He misses you I'm sure!..... it's like ....."nope sorry, heaven direct switch board is over capacity, but I can patch you threw to a saint, would that work for you?" .... like come on! ;-p
 
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SantoSubito

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cfultz3 said:
What doesn't make sense is the Jews were entrusted with the Oracles of God, yet, you argue the Oriental and the Eastern Orthodox catholics accept them, so they are considered canonical. Perhaps, another search as to why the Jews, Jesus being a Jew Himself, did not accept them as God's word would be benefitual.
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The Septuagint, which was translated for Jews in the Greek diaspora included the Deuterocanon among the canon, are the diaspora Jews somehow inferior to the Jews in Judaea? Now onto my favorite question to ask. Which Jewish canon from Jesus' time do you want to accept? The Sadducces with only the Torah? The Essenes with their massive canon?

Point being the Jews were no more united in their canon then we are now; so it's not simply a matter of pointing to the Masoretic text and saying "See the Jews didn't include it!" since the earliest complete copy of the Masoretic text dates from the 9th century AD and is the product of the winning faction in Judaism after the destruction of the Temple, the Rabbinical Pharisees.

On the other hand we have two complete copies of the Septuagint The Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Alexandrinus (from the 4th and 5th centuries AD respectively) that include the Deuterocanon.

Balls in your court dude.
 
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StMichaelTheArchangel

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cfultz3 said:
What doesn't make sense is the Jews were entrusted with the Oracles of God, yet, you argue the Oriental and the Eastern Orthodox catholics accept them, so they are considered canonical. Perhaps, another search as to why the Jews, Jesus being a Jew Himself, did not accept them as God's word would be benefitual.
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Jesus Himself and the Apostle Paul quoted and made reference to the apocrypha (deuterocanonical) books.

I shall very clearly give proof of this.


Wisdom of Solomon 2:18 sys, "For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies."

Sound familiar?

Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.




St Paul clearly quotes from Wisdom of Solomon also:

Wis 13:1 Surely vain are all men by nature, who are ignorant of God, and could not out of the good things that are seen know him that is: neither by considering the works did they acknowledge the workmaster;


Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


That is undeniable proof.


The full list is here:

Scripture Catholic - DEUTEROCANONICAL BOOKS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

 
dscherck

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Canadian36 said:
The question isn't who, it's why. Why are you praying to a saint. So stupid. Is a saint holding the universe in there hand? Is a saint inside every single atom in the universe? Is a saint something other than a dead man? Personally I think if you pray to a saint that saint is probably thinking, "why is this person so foolish??? Why are they praying to me and not to God?" Talk direct to God. He's not to busy to hear you. He wants to hear from you!!! He misses you I'm sure!..... it's like ....."nope sorry, heaven direct switch board is over capacity, but I can patch you threw to a saint, would that work for you?" .... like come on! ;-p
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By that logic, why would you ask your family to pray for you? They certainly don't hold the universe in their hands, nor are they in every atom in the universe. Why would you ever ask anyone to pray for you when you can go directly to God?
 
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cfultz3

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dscherck said:
By that logic, why would you ask your family to pray for you? They certainly don't hold the universe in their hands, nor are they in every atom in the universe. Why would you ever ask anyone to pray for you when you can go directly to God?
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Because the prayer of a righteous man prevails much.
 
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megaman125

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dscherck said:
By that logic, why would you ask your family to pray for you? They certainly don't hold the universe in their hands, nor are they in every atom in the universe. Why would you ever ask anyone to pray for you when you can go directly to God?
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Praying FOR a friend/family member who is alive is vastly different from praying TO a dead saint or Mary.
 
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loveme1

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Praying to and Praying for is different anyhow.................

The person would be praying to Yahvah God for you............

Quite different to the catholic praying to their idols.
 
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Lamby

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I honestly don't understand why you would need a 'righteous saint' to pray on your behalf. We are all made righteous through the blood of Jesus and acceptable in the sight of God. It seems so unnecessary.
 
dscherck

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megaman125 said:
Praying FOR a friend/family member who is alive is vastly different from praying TO a dead saint or Mary.
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And again, completely ignoring the fact that Scripture affirms that the saints in heaven are alive.

Is death somehow more powerful than Christ's love? Can death separate us from the love of Christ? Or is Christ greater than death?
 
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Lamby said:
I honestly don't understand why you would need a 'righteous saint' to pray on your behalf. We are all made righteous through the blood of Jesus and acceptable in the sight of God. It seems so unnecessary.
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Well, I for one am a sinner. I need all the help I can get. :)
 
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Lamby

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There is no sin greater than the atoning power of Jesus' blood! You are no longer a sinner but redeemed and made acceptable in His sight. =)
 
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Loloy

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the Saints are still just a man even though they are in heaven... they are not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent... imagine hundreds of people praying to them most of the time.. in just a minute there should be someone praying to them.. now can these Saints are capable of memorizing every prayers for them to relay it to God? Can they hear all prayers at the same time?... maybe we can say, nah, they can do it because they are not in the moral body anymore,.. still is there any verse in the Bible that say's these saints are capable of doing so?... now if there's not then it would remain a heresy..
 
JaumeJ

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All who believe Yeshua (Jesus) are sanctified by His Blood. We, as do all those sainted by the rcc, go to sleep until the last trump. Do not pervert the Word of Yahweh again by claiming the saints proclaimed by catholic men are not doing the same as those proclaimed by the Blood of the Lamb, sleeping. It is apostasy to say otherwise. Do not make this claim again, for if others are not aware of this teaching from the Word, you are leading them away from the light, and you know who does this, repent.
 
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JaumeJ said:
All who believe Yeshua (Jesus) are sanctified by His Blood. We, as do all those sainted by the rcc, go to sleep until the last trump. Do not pervert the Word of Yahweh again by claiming the saints proclaimed by catholic men are not doing the same as those proclaimed by the Blood of the Lamb, sleeping. It is apostasy to say otherwise. Do not make this claim again, for if others are not aware of this teaching from the Word, you are leading them away from the light, and you know who does this, repent.
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In case you have not read the Bible, or simply forgotten what you have read, the following is just one of the teachings on the subject.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them who are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also who sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not precede them who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore, comfort one another with these words.
 
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dscherck said:
By that logic, why would you ask your family to pray for you? They certainly don't hold the universe in their hands, nor are they in every atom in the universe. Why would you ever ask anyone to pray for you when you can go directly to God?
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lol....what were you smokin cuz I want some. Seriously! ummm they're praying DIRECT to God and asking him for help for me, or whatever they require. Hello???

If they were praying to me direct, what I'm suppose to answer they're prayer somehow for them, like as if I'm God is that what you're saying???

The bible is very clear on who to pray too. And in that way it only makes sense, pray to a dead man, oh brother, pray to a bug, a stone, a lil birdy. Don't ask the owner of the hotel for a room upgrade, ask that other guest who's staying there. Maybe they can somehow make it happen.

Sorry for being harsh...I just don't understand your logic.:confused:

9In this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name.
10Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Thine is the Kingdom, and the power and the glory for ever. Amen.


Where's the debate here?
 
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Lamby said:
There is no sin greater than the atoning power of Jesus' blood! You are no longer a sinner but redeemed and made acceptable in His sight. =)
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Doesn't quite work that way. Catholics don't subscribe to "Snow covered dung hill theology".
 
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SantoSubito said:
Doesn't quite work that way. Catholics don't subscribe to "Snow covered dung hill theology".
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Where does that imagery stem from? Not from the Holy Spirit. The person's post is quite according to the Holy Scriptures, what you and your cohorts are posting here is nothing but catholic intellectual dribble, nothing to do with the Holy Word that is God.
 
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