Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

under your rendering, if a person is "made conscious of it", faith (believing) is passive. However, we know from Scripture that faith (believing) is an active verb:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (verb, active) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth (verb, active) on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not (verb, active) is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The words "believeth" / "believeth not" are active verbs which means the person either believes or believes not what he or she hears when truth is revealed to him or her ... iow the person either actively believes or actively does not believe ... not, as you erroneously claim a passive "made conscious".

Quit manipulating Scripture ... READ YOUR BIBLE!!!





... more of your manipulation of Scripture whereby the person does not need to actively believe. Scripture is very clear that faith (believing) is an active verb.

God tells us exactly what occurs:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe [verb, active] on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

righteousness is imputed [verb, passive] when a person believes [verb, active].





... another of your misnomers due to your rejection of what is written in Scripture, namely, that faith is not works:

Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:3 tells us righteousness is imputed when a person believes.

Romans 4:4-5 tell us faith ≠ works. For you to continue to insist that faith is some sort of "work" on the part of man is nothing but you trying to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
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I have explained to you what it is to be Justified by Faith. Its when the already Justified person receives a knowledge of their Justification by Christ. Faith is the evidence put before the mind and conscience of ones Justification. Heb 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[brightfame52]

... more manipulation of Scripture. Why do you have such a problem with reading the verse exactly as written by the Author???

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

In fact, Romans 5:18 makes it clear that all descendants of Adam are under condemnation and Romans 5:18 makes clear that the free gift came upon all descendants of Adam:

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The only reason all descendants of Adam will not escape the lake of fire is that some reject that which God has so freely provided.
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According to the Gospel of Rom 5:18-19 How are the many or the all Justified or made righteous.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The faith of man is unrighteous and therefore cannot bring salvation

... straw man

fyi rogerg, no one who has posted on this thread believes that "The faith of man" can "bring salvation".

The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent’s position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the “straw man”) rather than what his opponent actually claims.​

https://answersingenesis.org/logic/straw-man-fallacy/​

you throw up your straw man all the time and it is tiresome ...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The people for whom Jesus Christ died

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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[reneweddaybyday]

I have explained to you what it is to be Justified by Faith.

nope ... all you have "explained" is your erroneous dogma

Its when the already Justified person receives a knowledge of their Justification by Christ.

again ... under your rendering, if a person "receives a knowledge of" ... then faith (believing) is passive. However, we know from Scripture that faith (believing) is an active verb:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (verb, active) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth (verb, active) on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not (verb, active) is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The words "believeth" / "believeth not" are active verbs which means the person either believes or believes not what he or she hears when truth is revealed to him or her ... iow the person either actively believes or actively does not believe ... not, as you erroneously claim a passive "receives a knowledge".

Quit manipulating Scripture ... READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[reneweddaybyday]

the Gospel of Rom 5:18-19

another figment of your erroneous dogma ...
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[brightfame52]

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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All those scriptures are about the Justified! It excludes the non elect.

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... all you have "explained" is your erroneous dogma





again ... under your rendering, if a person "receives a knowledge of" ... then faith (believing) is passive. However, we know from Scripture that faith (believing) is an active verb:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (verb, active) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth (verb, active) on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not (verb, active) is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The words "believeth" / "believeth not" are active verbs which means the person either believes or believes not what he or she hears when truth is revealed to him or her ... iow the person either actively believes or actively does not believe ... not, as you erroneously claim a passive "receives a knowledge".

Quit manipulating Scripture ... READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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I have been explaining to you the Gospel and you are very resisting to it, not good friend.

 

[brightfame52]

another figment of your erroneous dogma ...
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You resist the Gospel truth of those scriptures. They show that the ones Christ represented are Justified by His One obedience, but unfortunately you deny which is unbelief. May God be pleased to give you repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth!

 

[rogerg]

... straw man

fyi rogerg, no one who has posted on this thread believes that "The faith of man" can "bring salvation".

The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent’s position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the “straw man”) rather than what his opponent actually claims.​

https://answersingenesis.org/logic/straw-man-fallacy/​

you throw up your straw man all the time and it is tiresome ...

Nobody? Really? You're authorized to speak for everyone on this tread? I must have missed the memo.

"The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent’s position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the “straw man”) rather than what his opponent actually claims."

That actually describes you.

 

[brightfame52]

Renewed

Does 1 Peter 2:24 say "They were justified by His stripes" ???

Yes, incuded in being healed!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

All those scriptures are about the Justified! It excludes the non elect.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... 2 Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2​

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[reneweddaybyday]

nope ... all you have "explained" is your erroneous dogma

again ... under your rendering, if a person "receives a knowledge of" ... then faith (believing) is passive. However, we know from Scripture that faith (believing) is an active verb:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (verb, active) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth (verb, active) on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not (verb, active) is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The words "believeth" / "believeth not" are active verbs which means the person either believes or believes not what he or she hears when truth is revealed to him or her ... iow the person either actively believes or actively does not believe ... not, as you erroneously claim a passive "receives a knowledge".

Quit manipulating Scripture ... READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

I have been explaining to you the Gospel

nope ... you're espousing another gospel

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

and you are very resisting to it

When viewed through the lens of Scripture, your erroneous dogma fails. I will hold to Scripture.
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[reneweddaybyday]

You resist the Gospel

... I "resist" your error

you deny

I do not deny Scripture ... I deny the erroneous dogma you espouse


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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[reneweddaybyday]

Does 1 Peter 2:24 say "They were justified by His stripes" ???

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Quit manipulating God's Word in your futile attempt to prop up your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

Yes, incuded in being healed!

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness - this phrase speaks to our justification ... not our physical healing.

by whose stripes ye were healed - this phrase speaks to our physical healing. There is a day coming when our bodies shall be changed and there shall be no more sickness, disease, death. The dead shall be raised with incorruptible bodies ... the mortal (living) shall put on immortality


1 Corinthians 15:

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (those who are dead at the last trump will be raised with incorruptible bodies), and this mortal must put on immortality (those who are alive at the last trump their bodies will be changed)

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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[reneweddaybyday]

The faith of man is unrighteous and therefore cannot bring salvation

... straw man
fyi rogerg, no one who has posted on this thread believes that "The faith of man" can "bring salvation".

Nobody?

yep

Really?

yep

You're authorized to speak for everyone on this tread?

... another straw man, rogerg ...

I have been participating in this thread since 10/03/2021. I have read every post submitted. I have not seen one post which states what you claim.

So the onus is on you to provide the post submitted thus far in this thread by anyone other than yourself (or brightfame52 and possibly ForestGreenCook because you,bf52,FGC seem to all agree with each other) wherein what you claim has been stated ... now you'll probably just place a red X on this post and pat yourself on the back even though you'll provide no support for your claim ...

Just because you believe something has been stated does not mean that is what has been stated.

I must have missed the memo.

since there is no "memo", all you have done is raise another straw man. you do it all the time and, again, it is tiresome ...

"The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent’s position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the “straw man”) rather than what his opponent actually claims."

That actually describes you.

... you feel better now???

I have replied to brightfame52's erroneous dogma with the truth of Scripture. brightfame52 manipulates what has been written by the Author of Scripture and you agree with just about everything he (she?) submits ... even brightfame52's outlandish claim concerning the fact that people "do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" when God never condones sin ... even in the wicked:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...
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[brightfame52]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... 2 Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2​

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Again all those verses refer to the Elect of God.

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... you're espousing another gospel

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.





When viewed through the lens of Scripture, your erroneous dogma fails. I will hold to Scripture.
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Once again, you resist the Gospel, not good

 

[brightfame52]

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness - this phrase speaks to our justification ... not our physical healing.

by whose stripes ye were healed - this phrase speaks to our physical healing. There is a day coming when our bodies shall be changed and there shall be no more sickness, disease, death. The dead shall be raised with incorruptible bodies ... the mortal (living) shall put on immortality


1 Corinthians 15:

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (those who are dead at the last trump will be raised with incorruptible bodies), and this mortal must put on immortality (those who are alive at the last trump their bodies will be changed)

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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Again, to be healed is to be Justified, it means to bring about ones total salvation. 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Healed is the greek word iaomai and its in aorist passive and means:

1. to cure, heal
2. to make whole
   1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

to be free from sins is forgivenss and Justification, and the healing ensures all the Spiritual blessings needed to live unto righteousness, or to be converted unto God,

And the new bodies the elect will receive is included in the healing.

 

[rogerg]

I have been participating in this thread since 10/03/2021. I have read every post submitted. I have not seen one post which states what you claim.

I doubt that, but if you have, due to your deluded mind, you've missed the point.
As usual, your assertions are ludicrous and not to be taken seriously.