Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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brightfame52

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What About Heb 1:3

All for whom Christ died, are by His Death/Blood Alone, Justified before God from all sin, this can be concluded also by Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

What sins ? These sins that were charged to Him 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now the sins of all for whom He died, He hath purged them away. That word purged means:

a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

Now actually, by Imputation, the Guilt of the sins of those Christ died for, is gone, done away with by the Offering of Christ.6

All for whom He died therefore are Justified from all guilt of their sins !

It has been purged out of the sight of God and His Law, hence they are Justified, and none of these can ever die in their sins Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

This also means that those Christ has died for and purged away their guilt before God, will not always remain Unbelievers, for only those whom Christ did not die for shall continue in Unbelief and consequently die in their sins or will be found in them at His Coming !

This purging of their sins was done by Himself, not by anything they for whom He died for did or done !
 

brightfame52

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I understand the Scripture verses as set forth within the context of Scripture (i.e. where God placed them).

However, you don't share "scripture truth" ... you share a verse out of context then lapse into your dogma ... share another verse out of context ... then more of your dogma.

There's a reason you rip verses from the context ...

Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


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Again Im witnessing the truth to you and you dont receive it. You only make up reasons why you dont receive it.
 

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I stand approved before God

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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You entitled to your opinion, however I see a person disagreeing with Gods word.
 
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Again Im witnessing the truth to you and you dont receive it. You only make up reasons why you dont receive it.
The only "truth" you submit in this thread is the few verses of Scripture and I readily receive the truth of Scripture.

what I "dont receive" is your errant dogma.


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reneweddaybyday said:
I stand approved before God

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
You entitled to your opinion, however I see a person disagreeing with Gods word.
You must be looking at one of these:




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Not all unbelievers are under the wrath of God, not those who Christ died for, they are Justified while being enemies and unbelievers by Christs Blood and righteousness imputed !
Romans 5: 8 doesn’t say we were justified while being enemies. You read that part wrong. The scripture says while we were enemies, Christ died for us.
 

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Yes because He only died for them that believe. Believing is the evidence that Christ died for an individual and Justified them !
Romans 5:1, finish the sentence.

Therefore being by ———— we have peace with God…
 

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Justified the Ungodly !

Though it is hotly denied by religionists, all those Christ died for are Justified before God solely on Christ's Death Merits, while they in and of themselves are sinners, ungodly, and enemies in their minds towards Him. They are while enemies forgiven of all Transgressions against God's Law, free from any curse of the law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law[HOW], being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

That's how they are redeemed from the curse of the Law, not by believing, not by repenting, not by anything they did at all, but by Him being made a curse for them, meaning His Death !111

So through His Death, they are , even while ungodly in themselves, Justified before God's law as through they never sinned. This Justification is made evident by Christ's Resurrection from the dead Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences[transgressions, iniquities], and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

All this while they in themselves are being Ungodly ! The Natural Man cannot comprehend this Grace !
 

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The only "truth" you submit in this thread is the few verses of Scripture and I readily receive the truth of Scripture.

what I "dont receive" is your errant dogma.


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Yes Im giving you scripture truth and you fight against it.
 

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Romans 5: 8 doesn’t say we were justified while being enemies. You read that part wrong. The scripture says while we were enemies, Christ died for us.
It doesnt have to say it, I explained my point with scripture.
 
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That's how they are redeemed from the curse of the Law, not by believing
Interesting ... God tells us

Galatians 3:

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


so God says the promise of the Spirit is received through faith

brightfame52 says no need of faith


brightfame52 ... READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


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reneweddaybyday said:
The only "truth" you submit in this thread is the few verses of Scripture and I readily receive the truth of Scripture.

what I "dont receive" is your errant dogma.
Yes Im giving you scripture truth
Again, I believe the Scripture verses you post.




brightfame52 said:
and you fight against it.
newsflash ... your errant dogma is not Scripture.

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OIC1965 said:
Romans 5: 8 doesn’t say we were justified while being enemies. You read that part wrong. The scripture says while we were enemies, Christ died for us.
It doesnt have to say it, I explained my point with scripture.
your point is not "with" scripture. your point is opposed to Scripture.

God tells us Therefore being justified by faith ...

very simple ... concise ... to the point.

why do you, brightfame52, believe God needs you to explain "your point"?

God doesn't even need you to explain His point, much less "your point".


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


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Interesting ... God tells us

Galatians 3:

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


so God says the promise of the Spirit is received through faith

brightfame52 says no need of faith


brightfame52 ... READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


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According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
 

brightfame52

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your point is not "with" scripture. your point is opposed to Scripture.

God tells us Therefore being justified by faith ...

very simple ... concise ... to the point.

why do you, brightfame52, believe God needs you to explain "your point"?

God doesn't even need you to explain His point, much less "your point".


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


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Again the disagreement is with scripture.
 
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According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
There's a reason you rip verses from the context ...


Context = The context of an idea or event is the general situation that relates to it, and which helps it to be understood
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/context)

If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended
(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/out-of-context)


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


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