Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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brightfame52

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God does not cause people to believe.
Sure God causes men to believe. Ps 65:4

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
 
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Sure God causes men to believe. Ps 65:4

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
God chooses people who choose Him.

Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
That's a prophecy of the millennial kingdom.
 
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You promote the wrong christ my friend. The bible warns against that.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Calvinism denigrates God.
 

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Sure God causes men to believe. Ps 65:4

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
He doesn't believe his faith is a gift from God.

An insidious type of pride to think one is more intelligent, stronger, more moral than others to believe with faith they dredged up by themselves, and others who don't believe weren't intelligent, stronger, more moral.
 
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He doesn't believe his faith is a gift from God.
The Bible does not teach that a person's faith is a gift from God. The gift is salvation BY faith.

An insidious type of pride to think one is more intelligent, stronger, more moral than others to believe with faith they dredged up by themselves, and others who don't believe weren't intelligent, stronger, more moral.
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What the resurrection of Christ means ! cont

Also Christ's resurrection as the Head of the Sheep Heb 13:20 was a portentous, and judicial act, whereby God the Father as the Supreme Judge did Justify His Son and those Chosen in Him [The Sheep] Him from all their sins laid upon Him or imputed, and them from their own sins, His Resurrection was an actual Justification for all whom He died as their Surety Head, not for any of His own sins personally was He vindicated, but for those sins and transgressions charged to Him by the Father,specifically those of His Sheep !




What the resurrection of Christ means !

1 Cor 15:17

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

If the resurrection of Christ didnt mean that those He died for are Justified from all their sins, then there would not have been any truth of Justification for Faith to receive and embrace, and faith would have been worthless, but the resurrection of Christ was a public exoneration that all those He died for are clear, of any accusation; free from guilt or blame before the Justice of God ! Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

The word Justification here is the greek word dikaiōsis and means:

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the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

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abjuring to be righteous, justification

Thats why for anyone Christ died for and was raised in behalf of, for anyone to die in their sins and unbelief, God is guilty of injustice and punishing eternally a Righteous person free from guilt and supposedly acceptable to Him !

At His resurrection it was a deliverance from out of the prison of death, declaring that by His death He hath received full satisfaction or propitiation, for all those sins and offences that Christ as Surety Shepherd haid charged to Him, meaning all the sins of the Elect or His Sheep, for remember He rose from the dead as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

So it is only reasonable to conclude that He died as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Jn 10:11,15 ! So it was their sins that He was delivered for Rom 4:25;8:32 ! The resurrection of Christ means the Justification of all for whom He died !


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1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Calvinism denigrates God.
Those scripture quotes are just fine, you probably dont understand them though.
 

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I believe them as they are written. I do not have to twist their meaning as Calvinists do.
Sure you say you believe them, yet I cant see that you understand them, anyone can quote scripture, even unbelievers.
 
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Sure you say you believe them, yet I cant see that you understand them,
Of course not. I'm not a Calvinist. You are.

anyone can quote scripture, even unbelievers.
Even Calvinists.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). Calvinists don't believe it.
 

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All for whom Christ died for, are by that death /blood alone Justified Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Or Him having been delivered for our offences Rom 4:25 ! This also means that they had to be also at the same time Righteous, simply because God could not justify any sinner without a perfect righteousness, which Perfect righteousness resides outside of the ungodly sinner; Nothing in the sinner or performed by the sinner constitutes this Perfect Righteousness the Justified sinner must have in order to be Justified, its soley and 100 % by the Obedience of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The word righteous here and justified in Rom 5:9 are the same word in the original ! 10
 

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Of course not. I'm not a Calvinist. You are.


Even Calvinists.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). Calvinists don't believe it.
You are what they call arminian, or pelagian
 
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You are what they call arminian, or pelagian
Apply whatever label you want.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). Calvinists don't believe it.

God gave people free will. Anyone can choose to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 

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Apply whatever label you want.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). Calvinists don't believe it.

God gave people free will. Anyone can choose to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
You applying labels, so you reap what you sow. You are arminian.
 
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You applying labels, so you reap what you sow. You are arminian.
We can lose the labels.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). It says He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9).

You don't believe it.
 

brightfame52

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We can lose the labels.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). It says He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9).

You don't believe it.
You started the labels, isnt that right ?
 
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You started the labels, isnt that right ?
You're ignoring the point.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). It says He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9).

You don't believe it.
 

brightfame52

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You're ignoring the point.

The Bible says God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). It says He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9).

You don't believe it.
Im not ignoring the point, you are. What is this thread about ?