Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[reneweddaybyday]

According to Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Did all men sin in Adam ? Yes or No. Is Rom 5:12 scripture ?

You read Scripture through the lens of your dogma. Align your dogma to Scripture ... do not attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.


You claim Romans 5:12 supports your assertion that "men sinned in Adam". However, your claim is not supported by the verse:


Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned


Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam, sin entered the world.

The verse does not state (as you claim) that anyone "sinned in Adam".


Romans 5:12 tells us that death passes to all because all sin.

The verse does not state (as you claim) that anyone sinned "before they had a physical being".


Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
[this verse does not support your claim that anyone "sinned in Adam" ... or that anyone sinned "before they had a physical being".]


Ezekiel 18:

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
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renewed

That is what I have been telling you.


The issue is not "do you have faith?"

The issue is "in Whom do you have faith?"

You appear to be more and more confused. All men dont have a Spiritual Faith that looks to Christ for Salvation. Now all men may have a natural faith, but that kinda faith is worthless in the Spiritual things of God, for the flesh profits nothing in Salvation. Now again, when its about Salvation Faith, a fruit of the Spirit, 2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

See this contradicts your statement earlier.

 

[brightfame52]

There is only one faith:

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

In Whom do we have faith ... that is the issue.

If we do not have faith in God, but instead place our faith in the lies of the adversary ... we reap the consequence of our unbelief. Not because mankind doesn't have faith, but because mankind mis-utilizes that which God has given, turns from God to the lies of the adversary, and suffers drastically for having believed the lies.
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There is only One Spiritual Faith, and all men dont have it. 2 Thess 3:2
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

[brightfame52]

2 Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.


Here is the verse in the Greek:

SBL Greek New Testament 2010
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Westcott and Hort 1881
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.


Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις


See the word ἡ ?

That is the definite article "the".


The ISV correctly renders 2 Thess 3:2 as Also pray that we may be rescued from worthless and evil people, since not everyone holds to the faith.


The verse states that there are unreasonable and wicked men who are not of the faith ... the Christian faith. There are some of other faiths who are unreasonable and wicked men.
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Its the same difference, only God given Faith rests in the True Faith. In other words, the reason why some people dont rest in the one and only Faith[Doctrine], is because they have not been given the Gift of Faith that acknowledges the Truth. Its the Faith of Gods Elect that acknowledges the Truth Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

So again, when it comes to Salvation Faith, whether the fruit of Faith, or the doctrine of Faith all men dont have it 2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

The learned John Gill writes of 2 Thess 3:2:

for all men have not faith: no man has faith of himself, it is the gift of God, and the operation of his Spirit; and it is only given to the elect of God, who are ordained unto eternal life, and therefore it is called the faith of God's elect; all mankind have it not, none but Christ's sheep; and the reason why others have it not is, because they are not of his sheep. This is a truth; but rather the true sense of the words is, that all that are professors of religion, and members of churches, and even all that are preachers of the word, have not faith. They may have an historical and temporary faith and the faith of miracles, and even all faith but the true faith; they may profess to believe, and yet not believe, as Simon Magus, and his followers seem to be intended here; for this is given as a reason why the apostle desired to be delivered from the above men.

 

[brightfame52]

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the world ... the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





Your statement of belief contradicts what is written in Scripture:

Romans 4:


20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ





This verse does not support your claim that justification before God occurs before "those Christ died for" (which would be all mankind – John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2) "ever believe a thing".

Acts 15 tells us about the council at Jerusalem after there was no small dissension and disputation (Acts 15:2).

Paul and Barnabas were ministers to the gentiles. They faithfully taught the gospel of Christ to the gentiles. However, some men came down from Judaea and taught that the gentiles could not be saved except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses (Acts 15:1).

The apostles and elders came together for to consider this matter (Acts 15:6).

After there had been much disputing, Peter stood up and spoke (Acts 15:7-11); then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul (Acts 15:12).


Then James answered with the verse you quoted (out of context to support your erroneous dogma).

Acts 15:

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


From Clarke's Commentary:

Known unto God are all his works from the beginning - As if he had said, This is not a new counsel of God: he had purposed, from the time he called the Israelites, to make the Gentiles partakers of the same grace and mercy; and ultimately to destroy those rites and ceremonies which separated them from each other.​

For you to misconstrue Acts 15:18 to indicate that God justifies anyone "before [they] ever believe" is improper interpretation of Scripture. Read the verse within the context ... do not rip a verse from its context to support erroneous dogma. Bring your dogma into alignment with Scripture. Do not attempt to align Scripture to your error.





... more misconstruction of Scripture because you neglect the context within which the verse is placed by the Author of Scripture.

Isaiah 14:24 does not support your claim that God justifies anyone "before [they] ever believe". Isaiah 14:24 relates to God's judgment on the Assyrians.


From Pulpit Commentary:

Verses 24-27. - A FURTHER PROPHECY OF DELIVERANCE FROM ASSYRIA. From the distant prospect of an ultimate deliverance from the power of Babylon, the prophet turns his gaze to a nearer, if not a greater, deliverance. The present enemy is Assyria. It is she who has arried Samaria into captivity, and who now threatens the independence of Judah. Deliverance from her has already been promised more than once (Isaiah 10:16-19, 25-27, 33, 34); but apparently the people are not reassured - they still dread the foe who is so near, and who seems so irresistible. God, therefore, condescends to give them a fresh prophecy, a fresh assurance, and to confirm it to them by an oath (ver. 24). The Assyrian power shall be broken - her yoke shall be cast off (ver. 25); God has declared his purpose, and nothing can hinder it (ver. 27).​

Quit ripping verses out of context and then using the verses to prop up an erroneous dogma never intended by God.
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It is God that Justifieth ! What is the Time of Justification before a timeless God ? When does God view the Lamb slain for the sins of His Sheep according to Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

So when were they Justified by His Blood B4 God ? Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 

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renewed falsey says

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the world ... the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

Jesus Christ of scripture died exclusively for His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25 ! Not all mankind individually, thats a false gospel ! And may I add, the ones He died for werew Justified by His Blood ! Rom 5:9

 

[brightfame52]

renewed on Acts 15:18

This verse does not support your claim that justification before God occurs before "those Christ died for" (which would be all mankind – John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2) "ever believe a thing".

Sure it does since Justification before God is a Work of God ! Rom 8:33,34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Will you deny that Christs Death is a Work of God ? When did God consider this work done ? Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed false statement

The will of God is that mankind is justified by faith:

Thats false, nowhere is that stated. Justification is promised only to a particular seed of mankind, the Elect Israel Isa 45:25

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

That seed of Israel is also the seed of Abraham Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Its only a seed of Abraham that God would Justify by Faith Gal 3:8

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Now Abrahams seed isnt all mankind !

 

[brightfame52]

renew

oh ho!!! you're finally picking up what I'm laying down ... and now you're changing your tune ... cuz in Post #1446, you stated:

We are miles apart. Adams headship incorporates the elect and non elect in their natural lives, whereas Christs headship is only for His wife the church which He laid down His life for Eph 5:23-26

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

So Rom 5:18 when pertaining to the justification of life is all the elect , the Church. Christs not the head of those who are not part of His Body !

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Scripture exposes your erroneous dogma, and instead of submitting to what is written by the Author of Scripture ... just reading it and allowing God to work in your heart to bring increase ... you make up another workaround.

Again Rom 5:18-19 has nothing to do with the non elect, but only the believer or whoever shall become a believer. The non elect will never become believers.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Just because I provide Scripture which exposes the error of your dogma does not mean I do not understand what you're propounding.
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I dont think you understand. Explain to me what you understand me saying then ?

 

[brightfame52]

renew

You did not address the section of Scripture I provided which may help you understand that all have faith:

There is no need to address Matt 25 in order to address the comment in Rom 12:3. In Rom 12:3 Paul is writing to the Body of Christ, Believers Rom 12:3-5


3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

So addressing Matt 25 is an rabbit trail

 

[brightfame52]

wow ... such arrogance ... claiming to know what only God knows ...

and more rationalization for your bad behavior.

move along ...
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Why is it arrogance ? Its indicated in almost all of your posts. Dont you believe its possible, and even a reailty that sinners Christ died for shall yet die in their sins in unbelief ? Yes or no

 

[brightfame52]

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind, the world, the whole world:


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Again the world Christ died for cannot be condemned! The sins of it have been taken away, and God has been propitated for them. See 1 Jn 2:2 is a Justified whole world. That word propitated is the same greek word for merciful in Lk 18:13

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Its the greek word hilaskomai and means:

hiláskomai

(akin to 2434 /hilasmós, "propitiation, appeasement/satisfaction of divine wrath on sin") – properly, to extend propitiation, showing mercy by satisfying (literally, propitiating) the wrath of God on sin; "to conciliate, appease, propitiate

That means the publican sinner was made to look to Christ, the coming messiah 1 Jn 2

And Jesus said this sinner was Justified Vs 14

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

So a world that God has been propitiated for, through Christ, is a Justified world.

And we know thats not the whole world without exception since there is also a condemned world 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

I jn 2:2 and 1 Cor 11:32 are two different worlds of people, a Justified world, a condemned world. Which one are you part of ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You appear to be more and more confused.

nope ... the truth of Scripture confounds your dogma. READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

All men dont have a Spiritual Faith that looks to Christ for Salvation.

There is only One Spiritual Faith

There is only one faith. period.


Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


I realize that in order for your dogma to work, you have to come up with a "Spiritual Faith" and a "natural faith", but your erroneous dogma has you changing what is written in God's Word in order to support error.


Abraham believed God ... indeed for all who believe God, according to Rom 4:5 his faith [the faith of the person] is counted for righteousness.


The faith the person has before believing God is the same faith the person has after believing God. God brings increase (strengthens) faith within us as we continue to properly utilize the faith He has given us.


If a person chooses not to believe God, he/she remains weak in faith. That is unbelief ... not that they don't have faith. But rather than properly exercising their faith to believe truth, they turn from belief in the truth to belief in their own ideas, thoughts (man's wisdom ... worldly wisdom) ... they believe lies.

Now all men may have a natural faith, but that kinda faith is worthless

Again, Scripture tells us there is only ONE FAITH:

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


Faith is not "worthless". It is the Object of faith which determines the outcome. The more we utilize our faith to believe a lie, the worse off we are. The faith one uses in believing the lie is not "worthless" ... it is the lie that is "worthless".

Now again, when its about Salvation Faith, a fruit of the Spirit

In order to have "fruit of the spirit", one must be born again. So you've got the person born again before salvation ... you've got the cart before the horse.

2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

See this contradicts your statement earlier.

I have responded to your misinterpretation of 2 Thess 3:2. The verse is speaking of the faith ... the Christian faith.


2 Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.


Here is the verse in the Greek:

SBL Greek New Testament 2010
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Westcott and Hort 1881
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις


See the word ἡ ?

That is the definite article "the".


The ISV correctly renders 2 Thess 3:2 as Also pray that we may be rescued from worthless and evil people, since not everyone holds to the faith.


The verse states that there are unreasonable and wicked men who are not of the faith ... the Christian faith. There are some of other faiths who are unreasonable and wicked men.
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[reneweddaybyday]

The learned John Gill writes

John Gill (23 November 1697 – 14 October 1771) was an English Baptist pastor, biblical scholar, and theologian who held to a firm Calvinistic soteriology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gill_(theologian
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[reneweddaybyday]

So when were they Justified by His Blood

A person is justified by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ when he/she believes:

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.


Romans 4:20-24 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform. And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead
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[brightfame52]

nope ... the truth of Scripture confounds your dogma. READ YOUR BIBLE!!!








There is only one faith. period.


Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


I realize that in order for your dogma to work, you have to come up with a "Spiritual Faith" and a "natural faith", but your erroneous dogma has you changing what is written in God's Word in order to support error.


Abraham believed God ... indeed for all who believe God, according to Rom 4:5 his faith [the faith of the person] is counted for righteousness.


The faith the person has before believing God is the same faith the person has after believing God. God brings increase (strengthens) faith within us as we continue to properly utilize the faith He has given us.


If a person chooses not to believe God, he/she remains weak in faith. That is unbelief ... not that they don't have faith. But rather than properly exercising their faith to believe truth, they turn from belief in the truth to belief in their own ideas, thoughts (man's wisdom ... worldly wisdom) ... they believe lies.





Again, Scripture tells us there is only ONE FAITH:

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


Faith is not "worthless". It is the Object of faith which determines the outcome. The more we utilize our faith to believe a lie, the worse off we are. The faith one uses in believing the lie is not "worthless" ... it is the lie that is "worthless".





In order to have "fruit of the spirit", one must be born again. So you've got the person born again before salvation ... you've got the cart before the horse.





I have responded to your misinterpretation of 2 Thess 3:2. The verse is speaking of the faith ... the Christian faith.


2 Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.


Here is the verse in the Greek:

SBL Greek New Testament 2010
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Westcott and Hort 1881
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων, οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις.

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
καὶ ἵνα ῥυσθῶμεν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀτόπων καὶ πονηρῶν ἀνθρώπων· οὐ γὰρ πάντων ἡ πίστις


See the word ἡ ?

That is the definite article "the".


The ISV correctly renders 2 Thess 3:2 as Also pray that we may be rescued from worthless and evil people, since not everyone holds to the faith.


The verse states that there are unreasonable and wicked men who are not of the faith ... the Christian faith. There are some of other faiths who are unreasonable and wicked men.
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Again all men don't have faith 2 Thess 3:2 !

 

[brightfame52]

A person is justified by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ when he/she believes:

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.


Romans 4:20-24 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform. And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead
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That's error a person is Justified by the blood of Christ at the Cross of Christ.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

renewed falsey says

brightfame52 aka accuser of the brethren.

You do know who is the accuser of the brethren, yes?

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The accuser of the brethren is the great dragon ... that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deveiveth the whole world (Rev 12:9).



When I claim

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the world ... the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

I provide the Scripture which supports my claim:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Your erroneous dogma manipulates and changes Scripture to state that the world, the whole world is not the world, the whole world but some subgroup of humanity (i.e. the "elect") ... as if God does not have the capacity to state what your dogma claims.
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