Why are we so much more accepting of some sins?

[shotgunner]

The church is more concerned about a false interpretation of grace that compels people to just let things go. To me it's obvious. The proper way to see the truth in this respect is written in Leviticus 19:17-18

"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord."

I'm sure, if we really want God's will to be done in our lives, and truly loved others God's way, we would want to be corrected by others via God's grace.

Of course we think that we shouldn't judge people of their wrong doing (even if it is according to God's word) because we are all sinners. Correcting, and admonishing is then hypocritical. NOT. "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24

IMO I think the truest statement would be, "I don't want to be corrected, so I'm not going to do that to another because I wouldn't want it done to me. I don't care if God says it's wrong! It's more right to not call others out on what I see as wrong according to God's word."

If we tolerate sin without correction, comparing God's commandments with what we have identified by the light, whether in ourselves or others, we will be loving others who continue in sin right straight into hell.

I don't have any problem with correction. I just think it needs to be done with a spirit of meekness. The corrector needs to lift up rather than put down. Correction shouldn't come from a standpoint of a cut and dry, I'm in the right and you are in the wrong. it should be more of a " Listen brother, I had a problem with that very thing and this is what the Lord showed me, this is how to fix that situation."

Correct, but always give the solution and not just condemnation. God corrects me all the time but he doesn't just tell me I'm a dirty sinner. God tells me I'm better than that, I'm his child and have no business being involved in those things. He says , "You don't have to feel that way, I can do much better than that for you." It's always encouragement to rise higher above the problem. That's the way I feel we should correct people.

 

[atwhatcost]

Just wanted to hear some thoughts from my brothers and sisters. Why do we speak so much against homosexuality but we don't seem to treat premarital hetro. sex anywhere near as severely? Why do we speak against pornography so strongly but seem to think it is fine to watch someone to go on a murder rampage with a chainsaw? Is it just what we deem more acceptable because of society? Do you see some of these as more sinful to God?

I realize some sins effect us more strongly than others as far as the destruction it causes in our lives but do you see these things equal in God's eyes?

Here's the reality that most won't like admitting.

If its not my problem -- whether that means it is my problem, but I don't notice it, or it's like robbing a bank, just not something I'm into -- it's HORRIBLE!!!

If it IS my problem, it's not all that bad/mistakes/personal differences.

 

[dcontroversal]

It seems that many qualify and quantify sin into nice little boxes...Jesus said, "You break the least of the commandments...You are guilty of the whole law"....sin is sin for sure, but there does seem to be a deeper hatred for the abomination which is homosexuality in the eyes of God...he did burn 4 of 5 cities to the ground over that particular vice (sin) which included going after (strange flesh)!

 

[shotgunner]

It seems that many qualify and quantify sin into nice little boxes...Jesus said, "You break the least of the commandments...You are guilty of the whole law"....sin is sin for sure, but there does seem to be a deeper hatred for the abomination which is homosexuality in the eyes of God...he did burn 4 of 5 cities to the ground over that particular vice (sin) which included going after (strange flesh)!

I'm not defending homosexuality or any other sin, but you have to remember that the sin was so bad in that city that the crowd wanted Lot to send out the two strangers so they could rape them. Lot offered up his daughters to appease them.

 

[just-me]

I don't have any problem with correction. I just think it needs to be done with a spirit of meekness. The corrector needs to lift up rather than put down. Correction shouldn't come from a standpoint of a cut and dry, I'm in the right and you are in the wrong. it should be more of a " Listen brother, I had a problem with that very thing and this is what the Lord showed me, this is how to fix that situation."

Correct, but always give the solution and not just condemnation. God corrects me all the time but he doesn't just tell me I'm a dirty sinner. God tells me I'm better than that, I'm his child and have no business being involved in those things. He says , "You don't have to feel that way, I can do much better than that for you." It's always encouragement to rise higher above the problem. That's the way I feel we should correct people.

Up with the person, down with the sin. Condemn the sin, not the sinner. Here are 2 scriptures that define the truth in this.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

These 2 statements of Jesus work in perfect coordination with each other. This is also a perfect match to Ezekiel's statement.

Ezekiel 33:3-6
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Then last, but certainly not least, Paul's statement in perfect coordination with both Jesus and Ezekiel.For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 1 Corinthians 14:8

If we don't speak up, we are the ones help accountable unto God.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:2

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Just wanted to hear some thoughts from my brothers and sisters. Why do we speak so much against homosexuality but we don't seem to treat premarital hetro. sex anywhere near as severely? Why do we speak against pornography so strongly but seem to think it is fine to watch someone to go on a murder rampage with a chainsaw? Is it just what we deem more acceptable because of society? Do you see some of these as more sinful to God?

I realize some sins effect us more strongly than others as far as the destruction it causes in our lives but do you see these things equal in God's eyes?

Some people are bias concerning their own sins, therefore they justify themselves in their own sins but condemn others in other sins. But all sin pays the same=death If you abide in sin you don't abide in Life, and if you don't abide in Life then you don't abide in Christ, who is Life.

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.

Luke 16:15
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

 

[PennEd]

For the most part I agree with all the posts. Personally though, I see the act of watching someone's guts being ripped out just as bad as watching two people have sex if we are only talking about the act of watching.


When I was growing up I often thought it incredible hypocritical when my grandmother would see any kind of even PG rated sex scene on TV, she would immidiently change the channel. Often she would change it to some incredible bloody horror movie. She seemed to have no problem with that at all. I saw the bloody murder movie as worse than showing a couple in a PG rated sex scene.

I agree with you to some extent brother, however watching a murder does not entice me to go out and murder, it may desensitize me, but it doesn't make me want to kill somebody. Pornography, on the other hand, DOES influence me to do sinful acts. This may be different with other people, but I suspect for most it is not.

Also, we see in Scripture God commanding the Israelites to kill. Nowhere that I am aware of do we see God commanding anyone to be sexually permiscuous.

 

[just-me]

I agree with you to some extent brother, however watching a murder does not entice me to go out and murder, it may desensitize me, but it doesn't make me want to kill somebody. Pornography, on the other hand, DOES influence me to do sinful acts. This may be different with other people, but I suspect for most it is not.

Also, we see in Scripture God commanding the Israelites to kill. Nowhere that I am aware of do we see God commanding anyone to be sexually permiscuous.

It is important to understand how the "doctrine of Balaam" infiltrated the Israelites. It is important to know that Balaam was restricted from cursing Israel, so in relation to porn, (along with many other things) that is what defines Satan's tactics. The tactics begin with the "doctrine of the Nicolaitanes." The "doctrine of Balaam" is a doctrine of "compromise." Desensitize the church via a vain grace and then the debauchery begins.

Revelation 2:12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

This is prevalent in the church today also.

 

[MarcR]

Nudity per se is NOT sinful. If a person goes from the shower to the fire escape of a burning building they are NOT sinning. If a rogue government deprives certain people of their clothing as the Nazis of Germany did to the Jews of Europe; the victims are not sinning.

Depicting involuntary nudity in an attempt to call attention to a need when soliciting funds to relieve the need is IMO not sinful either.

I cant think of any circumstance in which homosexuality or murder or germ warfare would not be sinful.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm not defending homosexuality or any other sin, but you have to remember that the sin was so bad in that city that the crowd wanted Lot to send out the two strangers so they could rape them. Lot offered up his daughters to appease them.

Yeah I know.....his virgin daughters.........!

 

[resurrection33]

Just wanted to hear some thoughts from my brothers and sisters. Why do we speak so much against homosexuality but we don't seem to treat premarital hetro. sex anywhere near as severely? Why do we speak against pornography so strongly but seem to think it is fine to watch someone to go on a murder rampage with a chainsaw? Is it just what we deem more acceptable because of society? Do you see some of these as more sinful to God?

I realize some sins effect us more strongly than others as far as the destruction it causes in our lives but do you see these things equal in God's eyes?

I don't think homosexual immorality is any worse than heterosexual immorality. It does bother me that world now seems to have decided that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and those of us who do believe it's a sin are becoming disparaged.

I don't understand your remark about pornography and a chainsaw murderer. Pornography is an evil thing, but murder is an evil thing, too. I'm not aware of anyone who would say murder is good thing.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Just wanted to hear some thoughts from my brothers and sisters. Why do we speak so much against homosexuality but we don't seem to treat premarital hetro. sex anywhere near as severely? Why do we speak against pornography so strongly but seem to think it is fine to watch someone to go on a murder rampage with a chainsaw? Is it just what we deem more acceptable because of society? Do you see some of these as more sinful to God?

I realize some sins effect us more strongly than others as far as the destruction it causes in our lives but do you see these things equal in God's eyes?

Good points, good questions...

It is the carnal human nature to look at the SINS beyond the perimeters of our own moral scope ourselves... and attempt to conform the word to our view vs conforming our view to the word of God. IMO the most destructive sin in the "church" has been unbiblical divorce and the unbiblical "treatment" divorce has been given. Divorce is now "NORMAL"... HOW does something God HATES become "normal" to professing believers???

 

[KohenMatt]

I think in many cases we're more accepting of some sins because we ourselves struggle with those same ones.

 

[biblicalsandy]

because politics and media is trying to get everyone's attention to homosexuals, so that hetersexual sin can increase without being noticed.

 

[shotgunner]

I don't think homosexual immorality is any worse than heterosexual immorality. It does bother me that world now seems to have decided that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and those of us who do believe it's a sin are becoming disparaged.

I don't understand your remark about pornography and a chainsaw murderer. Pornography is an evil thing, but murder is an evil thing, too. I'm not aware of anyone who would say murder is good thing.

I agree with you. I just find it strange that some Christians see no problem with watching the graphic murder scene on TV.

 

[BarlyGurl]

For the most part I agree with all the posts. Personally though, I see the act of watching someone's guts being ripped out just as bad as watching two people have sex if we are only talking about the act of watching.


When I was growing up I often thought it incredible hypocritical when my grandmother would see any kind of even PG rated sex scene on TV, she would immidiently change the channel. Often she would change it to some incredible bloody horror movie. She seemed to have no problem with that at all. I saw the bloody murder movie as worse than showing a couple in a PG rated sex scene.

Without intending to be disrespectful toward grandmothers... I kinda conclude from your post that your grandmother was in some capacity bunched up and misguided about sexuality and this is why she did that... not because sh had some sound theology behind her action. Admittedly, when I was a baby Christian, I did some very wrong actions... because my theology was unsound... but my motive was correct. God knows the difference... sometimes it is hard for the observer to distinguish that.

 

[BarlyGurl]

>>>Any viewing of nudity other then that of self or spouse is automatically sin, but watching a horror movie is not necessarily sin. That comes down to perspective, how you feel/convinced, and rather there is nude scenes in it as some horror movies do not.<<<<

Sorry Ken... but viewing ANY nudity is sin is not accurate. I understand you previously were delivered from porn so this is a good "rule" for you... but nudity in an of itself... is NOT a sin as we are created in the image of God... human bodies are amazing works of art and can be viewed in that manner without any sexual provocation... I am speaking of art... not say... going to a nude beach... that would be extremely IMMODEST IMO... yet if I accidently saw a neighbor naked in their yard... I have not sinned, nor did they and I wouldn't make an issue of it... except be more careful not to "accidentally" see that again... in case their habit was to be naked in their yard.
I have a friend who is a "naked" person... meaning "at home" is not always properly dressed... so you CALL HER before you come over or wait on the porch for her to get dressed...lol.

 

[BarlyGurl]

I agree with you. I just find it strange that some Christians see no problem with watching the graphic murder scene on TV.

I sometimes watch programs which depict graphic murder... but I do not CHOOSE programs for specific purpose to be "entertained" by graphic murder... notice a difference???

Personally, I find it shocking even when I know it is coming... and oft times look away. I never watch "slaughter/horror" movies because I can't. I remember when I watched the movie by Mel Gibson about Inca tribes/paganism <I forget the name of the movie> anyway ... It was so graphic... even tho historical... I had to turn it off and take a break several times because it stressed me out soooo much!

I DO think there are MANY professing Christians who have a very "dull" spirituality and this is the reason you observe a lack of conviction about many issues where God's word indicates "don't do that, it isn't good".

 

[Omni]

"We delude ourselves into thinking that our own salvation can be achieved by keeping books on others…’I know I’m no prize, but at least I’m better than that lecher, Harry’ – as if putting ourselves at the head of a whole column marching in the wrong direction somehow made us less lost than the rest of the troops. It would be funny if it were not fatal; but fatal it is, because grace works only in those who accept their lostness. Jesus came to call sinners, not the pseudo-righteous; he came to raise the dead, not to buy drinks for the marginally alive.” - Robert Farrar Capon

Any person who genuinely and concertedly makes an effort to think like this, is a person whom I could look at and say "that person is admirable, and I wish I were more like him".

 

[Dino246]

... but there does seem to be a deeper hatred for the abomination which is homosexuality in the eyes of God...he did burn 4 of 5 cities to the ground over that particular vice (sin) which included going after (strange flesh)!

This does seem to be the popular opinion as to why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, but the reason is given in Ezekiel 16:49-50:

'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.'

IMHO, it is incorrect to emphasize only the sexual sin and overlook the other parts, which God mentions before the "detestable things."