Why Do Christians Ignore Most of the Old Testament Rules?

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throughfaith

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Could he have raised himself?
Essentially your system teaches the one thing that man cannot do is believe the Gospel. Completely drawn out by assumptions, conjecture and syllogism. You need just one verse thar says man cannot believe the Gospel , but there has never been one . Nor is there a verse that says God causes belief in those he saves . No its the opposite . 1 cor 1.21
 

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Essentially your system teaches the one thing that man cannot do is believe the Gospel. Completely drawn out by assumptions, conjecture and syllogism. You need just one verse thar says man cannot believe the Gospel , but there has never been one . Nor is there a verse that says God causes belief in those he saves . No its the opposite . 1 cor 1.21
If Lazarus can't raise himself from the dead, how can you?
 

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Essentially your system teaches the one thing that man cannot do is believe the Gospel. Completely drawn out by assumptions, conjecture and syllogism. You need just one verse thar says man cannot believe the Gospel , but there has never been one . Nor is there a verse that says God causes belief in those he saves . No its the opposite . 1 cor 1.21
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.


Who gave the bones muscle, tendons, and skin?
 

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If Lazarus can't raise himself from the dead, how can you?
How are you not seeing the difference ? He was actually physically dead . PHYSICALLY!! .. Laz is a picture of the resurrection of the dead , not conversion. Calvinists have hijacked this for their cause .
 

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How are you not seeing the difference ? He was actually physically dead . PHYSICALLY!! .. Laz is a picture of the resurrection of the dead , not conversion. Calvinists have hijacked this for their cause .
I understand the difference between physically and spiritually dead. Spiritually dead is still dead. That means there is no spiritual life. How does a person who is spiritually dead, raise themselves to life?
 

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I'm sure you have a lot more to say than just that...
Sure pick any of the Key doctrines and they all fall back on the faulty understanding Augustine had on the T . Everything hinges on the T . Thats why it needs regeneration preceding faith. Which is completely unscriptural. Thats my issue.
 

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I understand the difference between physically and spiritually dead. Spiritually dead is still dead. That means there is no spiritual life. How does a person who is spiritually dead, raise themselves to life?
Well your talking philosophical terms and not scripture. How did the bereans believe ? And Cornelius ?
 

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Well your talking philosophical terms and not scripture. How did the bereans believe ? And Cornelius ?
I'm asking spiritually.


Ephesians 2

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


Colossians 2

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[d] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[e]


How does a spiritual dead person, raise themselves from the dead?
 

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I understand the difference between physically and spiritually dead. Spiritually dead is still dead. That means there is no spiritual life. How does a person who is spiritually dead, raise themselves to life?
Why didn't Paul believe the Gospel at the preaching of Stephen? Paul would have heard the message prior. Isn't he one of the ' sheep who should have heard his voice ' ect ?
 

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I'm asking spiritually.


Ephesians 2

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


Colossians 2

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[d] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[e]


How does a spiritual dead person, raise themselves from the dead?
' deadness ' scriptural wise is an idiom .
 

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Why didn't Paul believe the Gospel at the preaching of Stephen? Paul would have heard the message prior. Isn't he one of the ' sheep who should have heard his voice ' ect ?
Did he not eventually hear the voice and become one of the sheep? I actually recall it was a very serious intervention on God's behalf. Kind of making my point is it not? Even Paul required God's intervention.


Acts 9

Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
 

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How can a spiritually dead person, raise themselves to spiritual life?
No scripture says anyone ' raises ' themselves in any sense. 1 cor 1.21 says God SAVES those that believe. look at the narrative with the bereans . They searched the scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true .