Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?

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in my opinion im not a very intelligent guy, im uneducated too. i dont even have diploma or any title to my name.

i think dispensationalism is the clearest eschatology its so organized and easy to see on the chart.

when i was amill my problem was always that when i read something from oldtestament i have to go back and ask "what does this mean?" because you know it cant mean what it says. because no millennium (literal) and no future for israel. so you have to invent something like instead of fishing boats on sea the comment is its spiritually talking about gospel fishing people. you see its made up.
 
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Melach said:
we dont have a pope like the catholics that tell us what to believe

i have never met any dispensationalist who disagrees with those dispensations i posted. only differences i have ever seen is that some dispensationalists hyper-divide things and some believe you can lose your salvation and some dont thats it.

but really when it comes to the actual teaching of dispensations they agree.

you challenged me to present a word document clearly written with scripture references to back up my position, and i decline the challenge. because im not good with words, english isnt my native language and im not a bible teacher or pastor or anything like that. im just a pew sitting christian.

but i counter-challenge you to tell me what do you believe about eschatology? if u are not a dispensationalist what are you? covenant theologian?
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I used to think i knew what a dispensationalist was.
Thought of myself as one.
The debate changes all that.
Look at everyones definition and pitfalls over those perceptions and nobody knows what anyone is.
Confusion.
Man made confusion
 
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I used to think i knew what a dispensationalist was.
Thought of myself as one.
The debate changes all that.
Look at everyones definition and pitfalls over those perceptions and nobody knows what anyone is.
Confusion.
Man made confusion
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No dispensationalist, in my opinion, will ever hold the view that Paul preached the same gospel as the other 12.

So you are definitely not one.
 
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Melach said:
in my opinion im not a very intelligent guy, im uneducated too. i dont even have diploma or any title to my name.

i think dispensationalism is the clearest eschatology its so organized and easy to see on the chart.

when i was amill my problem was always that when i read something from oldtestament i have to go back and ask "what does this mean?" because you know it cant mean what it says. because no millennium (literal) and no future for israel. so you have to invent something like instead of fishing boats on sea the comment is its spiritually talking about gospel fishing people. you see its made up.[/QUOTE

EXACTLY.

There is a joke amoung theologians.
"The reason God created theologians was to complicate the bible"

There is a better standard in our "panaramic" bible view and prism.

KISS ...keep..it..simple ..stupid.

Stupid because without the Holy Spirits enlightenment we are clever humanoids on a maze of rabbit trails
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Guojing said:
No dispensationalist, in my opinion, will ever hold the view that Paul preached the same gospel as the other 12.

So you are definitely not one.
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They all knew the gospel.
1 gospel.
I have demonstrated that as irrefutable.
 
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iamsoandso said:
This is why I'm asking though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennial_Day_Theory which is the same basic list. There's a word in Genesis 2:4 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm that refers to these seven generation's of the heavens and the earth https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8435.htm ...

I'm saying this because this is also something taught among the Hebrew/Israel and others(1 Enoch,Jubilees ect.) long before it was referred to as "Dispensationism". If you notice dispensationist agree with me sometimes but at other times not(cant tell whose side I'm on),preterist assume I'm dispensational when I speak because I seem to be following the list you two provided when I am speaking of another. It also has seven generations and the beginnings and ending are a little different.(out side the camps)...
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Mat 1
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Apparently God is a dispensationalist
 
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No dispensationalist, in my opinion, will ever hold the view that Paul preached the same gospel as the other 12.

So you are definitely not one.
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what do you mean? i believe after acts 15 when they had that issue talked about, all apostles agreed that its by faith we are saved. and preached same from that point on.

 
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Melach said:
what do you mean? i believe after acts 15 when they had that issue talked about, all apostles agreed that its by faith we are saved. and preached same from that point on.
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In Acts 15 the requirement to follow the Law was only dropped for Gentiles. The Jewish followers of Jesus led by the 12 continued to keep the Law.
 
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Absolutely said:
I used to think i knew what a dispensationalist was.
Thought of myself as one.
The debate changes all that.
Look at everyones definition and pitfalls over those perceptions and nobody knows what anyone is.
Confusion.
Man made confusion
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Anyone who believes in more then one Age is a dispensationalist whether they accept the word or not.
 
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RickStudies said:
In Acts 15 the requirement to follow the Law was only dropped for Gentiles. The Jewish followers of Jesus led by the 12 continued to keep the Law.
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they continued yes but it wasnt required for them either. thats it
 
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RickStudies said:
Wow, you get it. Don`t sell yourself short, I haven`t found very many here who understand that.
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thanks. i believe they continued for two reasons. one because its good to obey the torah nothing bad about it, if you dont do it to obtain salvation. torah is good God's laws are good. two because otherwise they would have no business evangelizing the jews of that time.
 
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Guojing said:
No dispensationalist, in my opinion, will ever hold the view that Paul preached the same gospel as the other 12.

So you are definitely not one.
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Well your wrong in your opinion. I am prime example that knows paul taught the gospel of christ, same as peter james and john
 
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RickStudies said:
In Acts 15 the requirement to follow the Law was only dropped for Gentiles. The Jewish followers of Jesus led by the 12 continued to keep the Law.
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They were not required to though, and later paul had to wcold them for teying to continue in some aspects of the law
 
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Melach said:
thanks. i believe they continued for two reasons. one because its good to obey the torah nothing bad about it, if you dont do it to obtain salvation. torah is good God's laws are good. two because otherwise they would have no business evangelizing the jews of that time.
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They continued in some aspects because it was a law given to them, but even then, the leaders of the church showed them how to be morally upright in their living, and it was no by the law. Which never made anyone righteous.

At best the law could give you a false picture that your morally good, because you obey some commands, if thats all it took, that would be great, but moral righteousness goes far deeper than that
 
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could this be an example of dispensationalism:

matthew 25:31-46 teaches salvation by works. as does that one place where they ask Jesus what good thing must i DO and Jesus says keeps commandments because He hasnt died yet.
st.paul teaches salvation by grace through faith eph 2:8-9 2 timothy 1:9.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
They were not required to though, and later paul had to wcold them for teying to continue in some aspects of the law
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It was the law of the land in Israel and it was the law of their countrymen. In that sense it was a requirement. A Jew could get the death penalty for forsaking the law. Jews who did so lost their citizenship and could not dare live in Israel.
 
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It was the law of the land in Israel and it was the law of their countrymen. In that sense it was a requirement. A Jew could get the death penalty for forsaking the law. Jews who did so lost their citizenship and could not dare live in Israel.
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Yes, but they were not required by god

Rom had laws also, and breaking those laws could cause the death penalty and be outcast to prison,

Even a jew could get these if they broke roman law.
 
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Melach said:
could this be an example of dispensationalism:

matthew 25:31-46 teaches salvation by works. as does that one place where they ask Jesus what good thing must i DO and Jesus says keeps commandments because He hasnt died yet.
st.paul teaches salvation by grace through faith eph 2:8-9 2 timothy 1:9.
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No

Salvation has always been by grace.

No one keep the commands in a way they could be saved.

Matt 25 is jesus talking about the last judgement and is descriptive, not prescriptive
 
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