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Hebrews, Chapter 10:
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[TD]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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[TD]Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
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[TD]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Jer 31:33 Heb 8:10
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[TD]And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Jer 31:34 Heb 8:12
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[TD]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
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[TD]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
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[TD]By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
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[TD]And having an high priest over the house of God;
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[TD]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
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[TD]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
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[TD]And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
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[TD]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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[TD]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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[TD]Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
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[TD][h=4]16[/h][/TD]
[TD]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Jer 31:33 Heb 8:10
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[TD][h=4]17[/h][/TD]
[TD]And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Jer 31:34 Heb 8:12
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[TD]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
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[TD]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
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[TD]By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
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[TD]And having an high priest over the house of God;
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[TD]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
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[TD]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
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[TD]And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
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[TD]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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Romans, Chapter 2:
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[TD]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
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[TD]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
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[TD]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
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[TD]Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Prov 24:12
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[TD]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
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[TD]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
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[TD]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
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[TD]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
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[TD]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
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[TD]Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Prov 24:12
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[TD]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
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[TD]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
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We received His Spirit when we first believed...
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
The initial justification of Abraham was attended with God's promises...
Genesis 15:5-6
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Likewise upon hearing and believing the Gospel, we are justified. The good works that follow are a result of the Holy Spirit inward working in us, such as Abraham's (almost ) sacrifice of his son.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
The initial justification of Abraham was attended with God's promises...
Genesis 15:5-6
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Likewise upon hearing and believing the Gospel, we are justified. The good works that follow are a result of the Holy Spirit inward working in us, such as Abraham's (almost ) sacrifice of his son.
C
"The good works that follow are a result of the Holy Spirit inward working in us, such as Abraham's (almost ) sacrifice of his son."
Hebrews 11 speaks of Abraham obeying God by faith. He didn't have the help of the 'indwelling' Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 11 goes much along with James 2 - wouldn't you say?
Hebrews 11 speaks of Abraham obeying God by faith. He didn't have the help of the 'indwelling' Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 11 goes much along with James 2 - wouldn't you say?
C
This is where the dilemma comes in -- where Scripture against Scripture makes it 'appear' that Scripture 'contradicts' Scripture but we know that it doesn't.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
C
In the Word of God - 'works' equals "Obedience" to His N.T. Commandments or commands - other wise know as "keeping His Word" & obeying [being led by] His Spirit of Truth [Rom 8] and that without that "obedience" - a person is neither In Him nor in His Love.
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10.
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10.
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23
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All right, I'll adjust the logic tree.
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This is according to James
2:14-26
3:13-18
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- If one is saved, then he will produce good works, because good works are fruits of salvation.
- If good works are fruits of salvation, then they are results of salvation.
- If they are results of salvation, then they are beneficial to the kingdom of God, because anything that is done for the kingdom of God is meritorious.
- Therefore, good works are required for the growth of the kingdom of God.
- If one refuses to perform good works, then he is not contributing to the growth of the kingdom of God, because good works are fruits of salvation.
- Therefore, good works are required for salvation.
This is according to James
2:14-26
3:13-18
C
Yes, and He "Foreknew" by His "Foreknowledge" who would be "faith-ful" unto the end before the foundation of the earth and those are they whom He calls His Elect ... His overcomers ... His righteous servants ... His Sheep ... His Chosen.
1Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow ...
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
And how do we know who are His elect or those that He foreknew would remain faith-ful .... by obedience.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.
1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow ...
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
And how do we know who are His elect or those that He foreknew would remain faith-ful .... by obedience.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.
1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Can one who is not saved do good works?
[h=1]Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7:21-23&version=KJV
[h=1]Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7:21-23&version=KJV
Abraham had faith before he offered Isaac. . . .He believed God before he offered Isaac . . . If he hadn't he wouldn't have even begun to offer his only son but he knew that Isaac would be raised. FAITH comes FIRST - faith wrought his works. faith and works go together - faith is what helps one do the work.
So no dilemma - he believed before he offered Isaac and he believed before he was circumcised. He believed before ANY works.
So no dilemma - he believed before he offered Isaac and he believed before he was circumcised. He believed before ANY works.
C
Apparently, there's going to come a time when the wise virgins will tell the foolish virgins that they can't help them to get more oil for their lamps --- The Holy Spirit is the oil and Thy Word is a Lamp unto my [our] feet and a light onto my [our] path.
And at that time also - this verse from Rev 22 will come into effect...
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
And
Rev 20:12 & 13 tells us that we all shall be judged by our "works" ... as James tried so hard to warn us.
And at that time also - this verse from Rev 22 will come into effect...
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
And
Rev 20:12 & 13 tells us that we all shall be judged by our "works" ... as James tried so hard to warn us.
C
Sis, I do understand where you are coming from in this conversation and don't doubt your salvation in the least but the last verse that I posted about Abraham says -- James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
That one verse is proved out by Jesus' Own Words while He walked this earth, through His parables and the other verses posted about obedience to His commandments and all the warnings in the Epistles.
Our sights need to be on "when we stand before Him" and read the entire New Testament and Know all of it and then see what does He set as the prerequisite of one being Saved-into-His-Eternal-Kingdom.
If we condemn the belief that we are saved in the end by our works -- we are coming against The Word of God made flesh & written and that's why this is so very important to understand clearly.
There's enough verses on this one page alone that proves this out.
Lord Bless you, Sister!
That one verse is proved out by Jesus' Own Words while He walked this earth, through His parables and the other verses posted about obedience to His commandments and all the warnings in the Epistles.
Our sights need to be on "when we stand before Him" and read the entire New Testament and Know all of it and then see what does He set as the prerequisite of one being Saved-into-His-Eternal-Kingdom.
If we condemn the belief that we are saved in the end by our works -- we are coming against The Word of God made flesh & written and that's why this is so very important to understand clearly.
There's enough verses on this one page alone that proves this out.
Lord Bless you, Sister!
C
Works = Obedience to The Word of God, both that which is written and that came in the flesh.
We will be judged on That Day by our Obedience because faith without Obedience is dead and so are we.
The Scriptures are on this page and we are accountable to every word written in the New Testament.
We are accountable to live up to the Light that we have. A babe in Christ is as well, is accountable.
That is why Satan will keep us from not reading and studying His Word to see what pleases Him.
We already have faith to believe that He came as Immanuel to die for our sins but what does He say about Him indwelling us? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23
To "Keep His Words" is the same as to Keep His Commandments. "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10.
To live up to or walk in the Light [The Word of God, [both 'come in the flesh' and 'written'] is to be found as the wise virgins.
Is to be a Sheep and not a Goat.
To hear, know and follow the Voice of The Good Shepherd is to know and be known by Him ... John 10.
Works = Obedience to The Word of God, both that which is written and that came in the flesh.
We will be judged on That Day by our Obedience because faith without Obedience is dead and so are we.
The Scriptures are on this page and we are accountable to every word written in the New Testament.
We are accountable to live up to the Light that we have. A babe in Christ is as well, is accountable.
That is why Satan will keep us from not reading and studying His Word to see what pleases Him.
We already have faith to believe that He came as Immanuel to die for our sins but what does He say about Him indwelling us? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23
To "Keep His Words" is the same as to Keep His Commandments. "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10.
To live up to or walk in the Light [The Word of God, [both 'come in the flesh' and 'written'] is to be found as the wise virgins.
Is to be a Sheep and not a Goat.
To hear, know and follow the Voice of The Good Shepherd is to know and be known by Him ... John 10.
Works = Obedience to The Word of God, both that which is written and that came in the flesh.
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are saved by grace through faith not by works. Again, FAITH comes FIRST - faith wrought his works. faith and works go together - faith is what helps one do the work.
God bless you also.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are saved by grace through faith not by works. Again, FAITH comes FIRST - faith wrought his works. faith and works go together - faith is what helps one do the work.
God bless you also.
Romans 10:9-10Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]for with the heart doth [one] believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation;
confessing with your mouth ...means that you are obeying Christ(faith with works)....else you are a liar...people confess the truth.....so Christ must be your Lord/Master in order for you to say he is Lord....same with believing to righteousness or as your translation says justified...believing in your mind says nothing...one has to do what they believe.....so if one believe Christ they do whatever he says which is the path to righteousness.....
James 2:23-25Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]and fulfilled was the Writing that is saying, `And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness;' and, `Friend of God' he was called.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]and in like manner also Rahab the harlot -- was she not out of works declared righteous, having received the messengers, and by another way having sent forth?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]for with the heart doth [one] believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation;
confessing with your mouth ...means that you are obeying Christ(faith with works)....else you are a liar...people confess the truth.....so Christ must be your Lord/Master in order for you to say he is Lord....same with believing to righteousness or as your translation says justified...believing in your mind says nothing...one has to do what they believe.....so if one believe Christ they do whatever he says which is the path to righteousness.....
James 2:23-25Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]and fulfilled was the Writing that is saying, `And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness;' and, `Friend of God' he was called.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]and in like manner also Rahab the harlot -- was she not out of works declared righteous, having received the messengers, and by another way having sent forth?