Why do so many people think Paul was a false apostle?

[7seasrekeyed]

Misinterpreting it for selfish gain, to make one's actions righteous, not before Father and Son before the people for praises and rewards from them. That is what Christ talked about to not sit in Moses's seat, go into thy closet in private and pray, Father who knows all secrets rewards thee openly. The tree is identified by its fruit, and Father does the exposing in private to us personally and to remain harmless as a dove at the same time Matthew 10:16-20

pretty much

 

[7seasrekeyed]

let me say it plainly.

Many here say they obey God because they love. Do they realize all the law hangs on Love, of God and one's neighbors?

If they claim to know this, then how can they deny the law is not still in effect.

I suppose they need to study the Word a bit more and see that although Jesus Christ, Yeshua, has fulfilled the lion's portion of thelaw, there are many, and He teaches wwhich, that are still very much in effect.

To say the law was abolished by Jesus Christ can beocntrued as saying He lied, and we all know He did not.

Too many are teaching without knowledge, and this should nto be.

Jesus did not teach that the law is abolished...not one jot or tittle etc

where people confuse it, is in claiming if someone says that, they are saying either the law saves or trying to say that salvation is not by faith alone

two things there: salvation has always been by faith...Abraham's righteousness was accounted to him by faith and all sacrifice under the OT system were not to absolve from sin, but rather covered the sin and indicated that sin is death

this hue and cry of 'we are not under law' is ridiculous because of course we are not if have accepted Christ as our Savior, but saying there is no more law is also nonsense because Jesus said it will not pass away until heaven and earth pass away

For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

so we are NOT condemned by the law, still in effect, BECAUSE we are covered under the sacrifice of Jesus..NOT because there is no more law (the final plague in Egypt is a perfect illustration of this fact when the angel of death passed over the homes with the blood of the lamb on their doorposts)

understanding the OT, gives greater understanding to the new....but so many just want to read the ending it seems and forget about the intro and the middle that led up to the ending or else they greatly misunderstand it.

it's their loss but does not mean they are not saved. this is a dumb argument, IMO, that seems to go on endlessly here with both sides never meeting in the middle and one side constantly misunderstanding what the other is saying



For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Hebrews 10:4

we have only one sacrifice that removes...blots out sin...and that is Jesus and He is also our High Priest

By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God. Hebrews 10: 10-12

 

[Dude653]

Paul only ever met Jesus briefly.

 

[Marcelo]

Marcelo - One of their motives could be the following: some people love to live in bondage; they don't like the freedom we have in Christ. When Jesus was on earth He commanded His disciples to keep the Law (because at that time it was still in force), whereas Paul said the Law had been abolished.

notuptome;3399501]So you believe that it is acceptable to bring railing accusation against the man of God on such a false premise? You repeat this stuff for what reason? Certainly it is a poor way to teach truth.

I didn't say that. Many people say Paul was a false apostle because (for example) he said the Law was abolished. I am just stating one of the possible reasons why people accuse Paul, and that doesn't mean I agree with such people.

Marcelo - My church had a doctrinal error, some 25 years ago: women were prohibited from trimming their hair and some of them were very proud the have their hair almost at floor length. When the board of elders decided to remove the prohibition some sisters got angry and continued having their hair untrimmed. I think Sigmund Freud can explain that.

notuptome - How about we stop fretting over the length of women's hair and teach the grace of God unto eternal life. Some of the old gals need to surrender their pride and walk in humility before the Lord.

The short story above is just to illustrate how much some people love to live in bondage. The board of elders released women from the obligation to keep their hair untrimmed, but they didn't like that freedom. Some sisters said that those elders were perverting the truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTE]

 

[notuptome]

Paul only ever met Jesus briefly.

It seems like it was long enough.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Marcelo]

Paul never said God's Law was abolished. You say that, "many" who come in Christ's name preach that. But Paul never did.

Do you keep the Mosaic Law?

 

[notuptome]

I didn't say that. Many people say Paul was a false apostle because (for example) he said the Law was abolished. I am just stating one of the possible reasons why people accuse Paul, and that doesn't mean I agree with such people.







The short story above is just to illustrate how much some people love to live in bondage. The board of elders released women from the obligation to keep their hair untrimmed, but they didn't like that freedom. Some sisters said that those elders were perverting the truth.

You felt it worthy to repeat?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[OneFaith]

There are only Twelve Apostles with the honor of having their names on the twelve foundations of the New Jerusalem, and of course, Paul is not one of them.

Can you show one scripture that proves that Paul’s name was not written on one of the twelve foundations of the wall with the other apostles?

 

[Dude653]

Paul contradicts himself. In some of his writings he speaks very highly of different women in the ministry.
In Galatians he says there is no male or female in the Kingdom of Christ
Then in first Timothy and 1st Corinthians he says women are subservient to men and should not even be allowed to speak in church.

 

[OneFaith]

Paul contradicts himself. In some of his writings he speaks very highly of different women in the ministry.
In Galatians he says there is no male or female in the Kingdom of Christ
Then in first Timothy and 1st Corinthians he says women are subservient to men and should not even be allowed to speak in church.

This is not a contradiction. Physically speaking we all have our roles on the earth, spiritually speaking no one is more important than another, cause in heaven we will not have such things as gender.

 

[jaybird88]

Can you show one scripture that proves that Paul’s name was not written on one of the twelve foundations of the wall with the other apostles?

acts 1 is one scripture. that passage list the credentials for an Apostle, Paul does not meets them.

 

[preacher4truth]

The major misunderstanding is when the word, Apostle, is applied to Paul. There are only Twelve Apostles with the honor of having their names on the twelve foundations of the New Jerusalem, and of course, Paul is not one of them.

...and of course, you're incorrect as per usual.

Paul declares when he tells us his teaching is the one gospel, the oly gospel, that being of Jesus Christ.

Yes, it is quite apparent by your teaching you have not believed the Gospel since you say Paul's is not the Gospel. This is why you make your erroneous conclusions, even though the above is nearly incoherent.

If Paul seems offish at times, look for your current question's response from Jesus, Himself. You have been invited to share in this gift directly from God........I do it; oh, I also learn from Paul...

Then you flatter yourself by giving a token and disingenuous compliment to the Scriptures Paul wrote.

 

[Dude653]

This is not a contradiction. Physically speaking we all have our roles on the earth, spiritually speaking no one is more important than another, cause in heaven we will not have such things as gender.

The scripture in Galatians is not talking about heaven. It's talking about here on Earth

 

[preacher4truth]

Paul contradicts himself. In some of his writings he speaks very highly of different women in the ministry.
In Galatians he says there is no male or female in the Kingdom of Christ
Then in first Timothy and 1st Corinthians he says women are subservient to men and should not even be allowed to speak in church.

You show why even apostate Rome feared people getting Scriptures in their hands. You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[jaybird88]

Paul was Christ's spokesman and his words were actually Christ's. What the pastor meant was this: Christ's words after the cross take precedence over Christ's words before the cross.

Example: Before the cross Jesus told the disciples to keep the commandments (the Law) and after the cross (using Paul as a messenger) He said that we are no longer under the Law. What the Lord Jesus said through Paul takes precedence over what He said in his earthly ministry.

i dont care what reason you throw out there, the minute anyone tells me that i should put someone else before Jesus, i am done with that teacher.

 

[Dude653]

I can recall in one of Paul's letters he said he was just speaking his own opinion

 

[notuptome]

You show why even apostate Rome feared people getting Scriptures in their hands. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Now that's amusing. Amusing because it contains much truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Marcelo]

i dont care what reason you throw out there, the minute anyone tells me that i should put someone else before Jesus, i am done with that teacher.

The risen Jesus takes precedence over the earthly Jesus. If we put the earthly Jesus above then we'll have to keep the Law of Moses. The earthly Jesus said: "Keep the Law" and the risen Jesus (through Paul) says: "the Law has been abolished".

 

[JaumeJ]

Young man, it seems you are more interested in making me look bad than understanding a thing that is posted. That is just fine, I have seen you do this with others. Why not join the family and stop with the insults?

...and of course, you're incorrect as per usual.



Yes, it is quite apparent by your teaching you have not believed the Gospel since you say Paul's is not the Gospel. This is why you make your erroneous conclusions, even though the above is nearly incoherent.



Then you flatter yourself by giving a token and disingenuous compliment to the Scriptures Paul wrote.

 

[Magenta]

Paul only ever met Jesus briefly.

How many times have you met Jesus, and of what duration were the encounters?