Why do some Christians think the Catholic Church is evil/wrong/herasy?

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"6) Rome believes that the bread and wine of communion turns into the literal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. Therefore, it encourages actual cannibalism."

This actally made me laugh, it's not taken literal lol
That's what transubstantiation is GG368 and it is literal.
 
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I am Roman Catholic and I would like to hear your thoughts :)
Catholicism, if you research into the actual history of it, is a lot of man made tradition mingled together with the word of God. That's the most simplest and shortests easiest answer.
 
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The one main false Doctrine the Catholic Church teaches is that God who created everything did not have the ability to keep Christ Jesus free from sin. The Catholic Church teaches that Mary, being without sin, keep Christ Jesus free from Sin.

But who keep Mary freefrom sin? The Catholics claim God keep Mary free from sin.

I find it interesting that God had the power to keep Mary free from sin but yet had no power to keep Christ Jesus free from sin.

What the Catholics have done is elevate Mary above God.

This i believe is why the Catholics see nothing wrong with Worshiping and Serving Mary as their God.

This is the main reason why the Catholic Church today is not a Christian church following God.
That is one of the most laughable falsehoods I've heard to date.
I was educated in Catholic Schools all of my life, including university, and never once was taught that.
What I was taught, was that Mary conceived without sin. That's it, nothing more. Mary is mentioned in the beginning of the Gospels, as she gives birth to Jesus, and again when Mary and Joseph lost Him in the Temple. When asked why He did this, why He stayed behind and worried them, "And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father's business?
And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them.
And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart." Luke 2:49-51

We hear of Mary again when she accompanies Jesus to the Wedding at Cana, as they both had been invited.
We hear of Mary at the foot of the Cross, after Jesus ascent into Heaven: "All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." Act 1:14

Most of the things written here about the Catholic faith are simply not true, but I cannot open a closed mind or a closed heart, only He can.
 

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That is one of the most laughable falsehoods I've heard to date.
I was educated in Catholic Schools all of my life, including university, and never once was taught that.
What I was taught, was that Mary conceived without sin. That's it, nothing more. Mary is mentioned in the beginning of the Gospels, as she gives birth to Jesus, and again when Mary and Joseph lost Him in the Temple. When asked why He did this, why He stayed behind and worried them, "And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father's business?
And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them.
And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart." Luke 2:49-51

We hear of Mary again when she accompanies Jesus to the Wedding at Cana, as they both had been invited.
We hear of Mary at the foot of the Cross, after Jesus ascent into Heaven: "All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." Act 1:14

Most of the things written here about the Catholic faith are simply not true, but I cannot open a closed mind or a closed heart, only He can.

So, do you believe Mary is a sinner ?
 
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Mary was a human being, and human beings sin. I am positive, as a mother myself, that while watching her only Son be tortured, that she did not have even one bad thought go through her mind.
 

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Mary was a human being, and human beings sin. I am positive, as a mother myself, that while watching her only Son be tortured, that she did not have even one bad thought go through her mind.

To my knowledge, Catholic believe and teach that Mary is not a sinner.

Are You Catholic?
 
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What Catholic priest told you that? Or is that just another false rumor handed down?
And yes, I am a Catholic, believe it or not, Catholics are Christians as well.
 
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That is one of the most laughable falsehoods I've heard to date.
I was educated in Catholic Schools all of my life, including university, and never once was taught that.
What I was taught, was that Mary conceived without sin. That's it, nothing more. Mary is mentioned in the beginning of the Gospels, as she gives birth to Jesus, and again when Mary and Joseph lost Him in the Temple. When asked why He did this, why He stayed behind and worried them, "And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father's business?
And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them.
And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart." Luke 2:49-51

We hear of Mary again when she accompanies Jesus to the Wedding at Cana, as they both had been invited.
We hear of Mary at the foot of the Cross, after Jesus ascent into Heaven: "All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." Act 1:14

Most of the things written here about the Catholic faith are simply not true, but I cannot open a closed mind or a closed heart, only He can.

What I was taught, was that Mary conceived without sin
For Mary to have been conceived without sin God would have had to have been her father just as Jesus was conceived without sin and God was His father. If that were the case and God was the father of Mary an Jesus then Mary would have given birth to her brother.

Bit of a can of worms, don't you think?
 
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For Mary to have been conceived without sin God would have had to have been her father just as Jesus was conceived without sin and God was His father. If that were the case and God was the father of Mary an Jesus then Mary would have given birth to her brother.

Bit of a can of worms, don't you think?
Mary conceived Jesus.... women conceive children, not the other way around.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.*And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.*
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:*and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:30-35

No worms, just a wee bit of confusion about how baby's are conceived.
 
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For Mary to have been conceived without sin God would have had to have been her father just as Jesus was conceived without sin and God was His father. If that were the case and God was the father of Mary an Jesus then Mary would have given birth to her brother.

Bit of a can of worms, don't you think?
Mary conceived Jesus.... women conceive children, not the other way around.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.*And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.*
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:*and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:30-35

No worms, just a wee bit of confusion about how baby's are conceived or a simple misread.
 
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Apologies for the double post. I'm not sure as to why the edit was posted as well.
 

Jackson123

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What Catholic priest told you that? Or is that just another false rumor handed down?
And yes, I am a Catholic, believe it or not, Catholics are Christians as well.
Mary is sinner but don't have original sin?

What is the different with regular christian, after accept Jesus and the original sin was forgiven.

490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role."[SUP]132[/SUP] The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace".[SUP]133[/SUP] In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God's grace.
491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God,[SUP]134[/SUP] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.[SUP]135[/SUP]
 

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What Catholic priest told you that? Or is that just another false rumor handed down?
And yes, I am a Catholic, believe it or not, Catholics are Christians as well.
What is the meaning of free from ANY sin in your ccc, If only free from original sin why there is word any in this sentence?

How about red sentence bellow what is that mean.




493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God "the All-Holy" (Panagia), and celebrate her as "free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature".[SUP]138[/SUP] By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.
 

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Catholicism is a gross perversion of Christianity.
 

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Catholicism, if you research into the actual history of it, is a lot of man made tradition mingled together with the word of God. That's the most simplest and shortests easiest answer.
Here is an interesting video on "The Origin of the Roman Catholic Church." Christianity and pagan customs don't mix.

[video=youtube;-3U2CETH8uM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3U2CETH8uM[/video]
 
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Mary is sinner but don't have original sin?
Mary was from Nazareth, she was a Jew and Jews DO NOT believe in original sin. Jews believe that one is born into the world with original purity, not with original sin. We know human beings can choose to do evil, but Judaism does not dwell on that fact. Rather, they rejoice, as they believe God rejoices, when human beings choose to do good.

What is the different with regular christian, after accept Jesus and the original sin was forgiven.
There are irregular Christians? Catholics believe the Sacrament of Baptism forgives original sin.


490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role."[SUP]132[/SUP] The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace".[SUP]133[/SUP] In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God's grace.
491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God,[SUP]134[/SUP] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
I quoted the Scripture, and give me Pope Pius IX, who has absolutely nothing to do with the Word of God written in The Bible. Here comes a shocker, not every Catholic is in awe of the Pope, and certainly not Pius IX and his BFF Mussolini.
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.[SUP]135[/SUP]
Where are you getting this from? Mary was a fourteen year old girl when she was betrothed to Joseph, you don't think that as a young teenage girl, she (Mary) may have had a wee bit of vanity once in her life, as all young girls do?
 
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To my knowledge, Catholic believe and teach that Mary is not a sinner.

Are You Catholic?
Again, what Catholic priest or Catholic educator has taught you this? As I've previously stated, this was never taught to me, in any school.

What is the meaning of free from ANY sin in your ccc, If only free from original sin why there is word any in this sentence?
Mary was a Jew, hence her non-belief in the existence of original sin.

How about red sentence bellow what is that mean.




493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God "the All-Holy" (Panagia), and celebrate her as*"free from any stain of sin,*as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature".138*By the grace of God*Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.
How about, instead of quoting the words of men, you find the Words of God to substantiate your accusations of things the Catholic Church says and teaches from the Bible?
 
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You know...Protestants are guilty of the same exact things that Catholics are accused of. We have just as much ritual as they do. As a Protestant of half my life who worked for the Catholic church for several years I can attest that there are many Catholic's that are Christians and for anyone making the damnation judgment that they are not, the scripture says we are not to judge (on salvation) because only God sees the heart.

There is one requirement to be a Christian and that is Jesus, plain and simple. It is prideful to think that only certain churches contain real Christians.

There are a lot of assumptions made by Protestants on Catholics that frankly are not true. Us Protestants can learn a LOT from Catholics and Orthodox. The baby got thrown away with the bath water all those years ago.
 
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For Mary to have been conceived without sin God would have had to have been her father just as Jesus was conceived without sin and God was His father. If that were the case and God was the father of Mary an Jesus then Mary would have given birth to her brother.

Bit of a can of worms, don't you think?
Mary was from Nazareth, she was a Jew and Jews DO NOT believe in original sin. Jews believe that one is born into the world with original purity, not with original sin. We know human beings can choose to do evil, but Judaism does not dwell on that fact. Rather, they rejoice, as they believe God rejoices, when human beings choose to do good.
Mary's Jewishness has nothing to do with the belief that she was not born with original sin. Jesus was not born with original sin and He never sinned. You say the Hail Mary....Hail Mary, full of grace, you believe in the Immaculate Conception, If Mary was that pure how could she have ever had a choice to sin?


Mary was a fourteen year old girl when she was betrothed to Joseph, you don't think that as a young teenage girl, she (Mary) may have had a wee bit of vanity once in her life, as all young girls do?
Really? So God choose a person that was full of vanity which is a lot of guess work on your part.

I was taught where the Bible is silent, we must be silent, so be silent about your assessment of Mary's character.

Scripture says of Mary: "thou that are highly favored, the Lord is with thee" Luke 1:28

Mary knew she was sinner, she said: "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior" Luke 1:47

Mary knew full well she was a sinner in need of a savior.